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WR Robert Woods, HOU (1 Viewer)
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Khy
Footballguy
Dropped DeAndre Hopkins in redraft... at this point I think it's pretty clear Hopkins isn't anything remotely close to a reliable flex even. Where as Woods has looked better and with Johnson injured he has a chance to actually amount to something this season. Although I probably wouldn't be starting him this week against Cleveland but ROS he has good prospects.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Best WR in this rookie class....
Really disappointed to see Manuel go down. I picked up Woods in several leagues - he's getting a ton of targets and just looks polished... even making plays defensively when he can't catch the ball. He was at 5 / 68 when Manuel went down in the middle of the 3rd... that's good for an 8 / 100 pace.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Like him. Let's just hope that white fella never has to step foot behind center ever again.
That dude throwing and Stevie out didn't seem to be a good combo from what I saw last night.
That dude throwing and Stevie out didn't seem to be a good combo from what I saw last night.
smapdi
Footballguy
Manuel and Woods had some real nice chemistry building between them. I really hope for the sake of this team and Manuel that he just has a sprain... the offense looked terrible with Tuel in there.
I would definitely temper your expectations on Woods if the Bills stick with Tuel at QB. I don't see how they can if Manuel is due to miss multiple games; Tuel looked atrocious. Offense was humming along and then as soon as Tuel comes in, three straight 3 and outs.
But, if it truly is just a sprain and Manuel will be back soon, I would be all over Woods. He was the most pro-ready prospect at WR in the draft & it shows. His routes are impeccable and he has soft hands. He has Stevie Johnson to take on the defenses top CB's and 2 great RB's to soften the defense up. He could be deadly on play action; his 42 yard score last week came off a play action pass.
I would definitely temper your expectations on Woods if the Bills stick with Tuel at QB. I don't see how they can if Manuel is due to miss multiple games; Tuel looked atrocious. Offense was humming along and then as soon as Tuel comes in, three straight 3 and outs.
But, if it truly is just a sprain and Manuel will be back soon, I would be all over Woods. He was the most pro-ready prospect at WR in the draft & it shows. His routes are impeccable and he has soft hands. He has Stevie Johnson to take on the defenses top CB's and 2 great RB's to soften the defense up. He could be deadly on play action; his 42 yard score last week came off a play action pass.
Khy
Footballguy
Honestly, he looks better than Johnson on every single snap. I can't believe how open he's been getting. Even against Hayden last night when Johnson went out, he seemed to be open on every route he ran. He honestly, should've had a bigger game. Manuel missed him a few times when he was wide open in the middle of the field and Manuel never looked his way. Mayock pointed out at least 2-3 different times where this happened and was saying had he noticed Woods streaking down the field it'd have been an easy TD.
I was flip flopping all week to pickup Woods or Keenan Allen this week, I'm starting to think I made the right decision on Woods though. He looks amazing out there. Great crisp routes, soft hands and just seems like a natural at getting open. If Spiller can start getting back to form he's going to be a nightmare off play action.
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smapdi
Footballguy
I still can't believe how good of route runner this kid is. All of the scouting reports were all over him for his tremendous route running & they were not lying. He seriously runs better routes then a lot of 4 or 5 year veterans. He is just so smooth out there... haven't seen anything like it from a rookie WR.
He could have double the amount of yardage that he currently has if Manuel/Hackett weren't so gun shy to open the season. He consistently beats his man and puts himself in position to catch the ball. He was working Haden last night pretty damn good; if Tuel wasn't in the game, he could have had a big 4th quarter.
Stevie Johnson's main weapon is his route running. I think he may have added a couple tricks to Woods' playbook as well.
shader
Footballguy
I was blown away watching Woods last night. On one reception he lined up against Haden and made him look silly. He truly does look like a ten year veteran.
Unfortunately his value this year is basically next to nothing if Manuel ends up to be hurt for the year.
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Khy
Footballguy
Yeah, he has truly amazing route running ability. Combine that with above average hands and we may be seeing something special brewing with the kid.
As for Manuel they're tentatively calling it at sprained knee. Which would mean he should be good to go next week after a 10 day rest. He's having an MRI done just to be safe today so we should know a lot more in the next few hours hopefully. If Manuel happened to come away with a serious injury though, I wouldn't be shocked if the Bills looked at someone like Freeman to patch the offense. There's no way he could look worse than Tuel did last night. Still obviously caps Woods upside a lot but Freeman isn't afraid to take shots down field and would be coming in with a mighty large chip on his shoulder.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
If Manuel's injury lingers, I don't even want to say this but the Bills need to bring in Favre.
Agent's been gushing about his arm strength, and maybe Peyton looking like he could go until age 50 could inspire Favre to squeak out another year or 2.
Anyway, it wouldn't take much of an upgrade over Tuel (if Manuel's out) to keep Woods afloat. Manuel himself looks pretty awful at times.
Agent's been gushing about his arm strength, and maybe Peyton looking like he could go until age 50 could inspire Favre to squeak out another year or 2.
Anyway, it wouldn't take much of an upgrade over Tuel (if Manuel's out) to keep Woods afloat. Manuel himself looks pretty awful at times.
Khy
Footballguy
That's a rough one, because you can't start Favre over Manuel when healthy. It'd be suicide. I think Favre could be a good veteran for him to use as a learning tool, which is something Manuel doesn't really have right now. But I don't like the idea in reality, cause if Favre goes out and has one or two good games then you have a QB controversy on your hands that you simply don't wanna have.
Resident A
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Yeah, I was sort of joking, but if it ended up being a situation that's far worse than it seems right now, it'd be a nice option. Probably only a realistic option if Manuel were to have a season ending injury. I agree, you can't have a situation with a healthy Manuel and Favre on the same roster.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
How are dynasty owners valuing Woods? I just acquired him, and already have the opportunity to flip him for a mid-late 2014 1st. I'm trying to decide if Woods has a definite ceiling that makes shooting for the unknown worth it, but I have no idea where to value him.
BlackMamba24
Footballguy
mid-late first sounds like a good deal for Woods. I really like next years class though, and heck, you could end up flipping the 1st for a nice piece as people should be looking to add some picks.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That's my plan, I have another mid-late 1st already, and I think an offer with two 1sts will hold more sway going forward than an offer with Woods and one 1st, as rookie fever sets in.I do like Woods, but I think in a couple years he peaks at WR2 value, and I'm really unsure of where I stand on Manuel.
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Resident A
Footballguy
Woods was emerging as the top target for Manuel prior to his injury. People forget that since Woods & Manuel haven't been on the field together since Week 5. Thad Lewis & Jeff Tuel weren't able to get Woods the ball, rendering him useless for FF purposes. If Woods is near 100%, I expect 5+ targets from Manuel this week.
Goodwin is not really a threat to Woods, he's still splitting with TJ Graham for the other outside WR spot across from Woods, with Stevie Johnson in the slot.
Goodwin is not really a threat to Woods, he's still splitting with TJ Graham for the other outside WR spot across from Woods, with Stevie Johnson in the slot.
Faust
MVP
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Faust
MVP
Faust
MVP
Rotoworld:
Robert Woods - WR - Bills
Robert Woods is expected to take over Buffalo's slot receiver vacancy created by the Stevie Johnson trade.
In three-wide packages, the Bills will trot out Mike Williams and rookie Sammy Watkins on the perimeter, with Woods working inside. Per Bills.com's Chris Brown, the coaching staff "believes in" Woods "a lot," and multiple assistants on the 2013 staff thought "by the end of last season that (Woods) would be the best receiver on the roster." Watkins has the highest long-term ceiling in Buffalo's wideout corps. Williams is the top red-zone threat. Woods could flirt with WR3 value in PPR leagues if E.J. Manuel takes a step forward.
Source: buffalobills.com
May 23 - 12:45 PM
Robert Woods - WR - Bills
Robert Woods is expected to take over Buffalo's slot receiver vacancy created by the Stevie Johnson trade.
In three-wide packages, the Bills will trot out Mike Williams and rookie Sammy Watkins on the perimeter, with Woods working inside. Per Bills.com's Chris Brown, the coaching staff "believes in" Woods "a lot," and multiple assistants on the 2013 staff thought "by the end of last season that (Woods) would be the best receiver on the roster." Watkins has the highest long-term ceiling in Buffalo's wideout corps. Williams is the top red-zone threat. Woods could flirt with WR3 value in PPR leagues if E.J. Manuel takes a step forward.
Source: buffalobills.com
May 23 - 12:45 PM
Faust
MVP
Robert Woods slated for slot role with Buffalo Bills:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000354895/article/robert-woods-slated-for-slot-role-with-buffalo-bills
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000354895/article/robert-woods-slated-for-slot-role-with-buffalo-bills
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. I really like him as a buy low. He looked great last year the couple times I saw him.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I'm not sure about gold, but great value, for sure.
He may not be a "buy low" by August. <_<
Faust
MVP
cstu
Footballguy
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Why? He finished as WR59 last year. They added Watkins/Williams but lost Johnson. Spiller will likely be used more in the passing game. I don't think he improves on 6 targets per game. Maybe his catch % goes up, but given Manuel's reported struggles in padless practices? I'm not hopeful.
Agreed. Projections should come with some sort of context.
Assume Manuel throws for 3,700 yds (a 10% increase in overall Bills' passing even though Manuel himself prorated would have only had about 3,200).
S. Watkins - 900
Spiller & Co. RB's - 650 (Spiller and FJax had 572 last year)
Chandler / Moeaki - 650 (same as Chandler had last year)
M. Goodwin / M. Easley - 400 (Goodwin alone had 283 last year)
Mike Williams - 300
That totals 2,900 leaving 800 yds leftover for Woods plus all others. 6-7 TD's from a slot guy with a QB unlikely to throw for >20 TD's is also a big stretch.
Woods may significantly outperform WR62 but don't see him realistically as anything more than a replacement-level WR3.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Woods was doing really well with Manuel last year. They had a solid rapport. And then EJ went down. Check his splits between when EJ was in and not and I bet his grades out higher. Maybe I'm remembering wrong though...
renesauz
IBL Representative
Not to mention Woods was a rookie last year- it's far more likely for an early draft pick to improve in year two than stay the same or go backwards.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
EJ Manuel: 'A bit surprising' Robert Woods didn't start
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000373788/article/ej-manuel-a-bit-surprising-robert-woods-didnt-start
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000373788/article/ej-manuel-a-bit-surprising-robert-woods-didnt-start
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
Yeah, Rotoworld loses cred again with that comment.
Faust
MVP
Marrone wants Woods playing with a chip on shoulder:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000374851/article/marrone-wants-woods-playing-with-a-chip-on-shoulder
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000374851/article/marrone-wants-woods-playing-with-a-chip-on-shoulder
TheFanatic
Footballguy
The EJ loves Woods. He will feed that beast early and often. Rotoworld is pretty moronic for stating the guy is a non factor in redraft after one preseason game. And the HOF game at that.
Faust
MVP
Woods is mystery man in Bills' offense:
http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/12013/robert-woods-is-mystery-man-in-bills-offense
http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/12013/robert-woods-is-mystery-man-in-bills-offense
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I'll be absolutely floored if Woods isn't on the field for more plays than all but one other WR.
Although... Maybe he's too polished to play with shotgun-blast-Manuel. Route running, reliability, etc. isn't as important as catch radius.
Although... Maybe he's too polished to play with shotgun-blast-Manuel. Route running, reliability, etc. isn't as important as catch radius.
Faust
MVP
I was listening to the fantasy football channel on my drive in this morning, and they mentioned that Robert Woods was among the league leaders in passing targets that were not catchable passes (citing Pro Football Focus).
The speculation was that if Orton can be more accurate, we might see a corresponding increase in production for Woods.
The speculation was that if Orton can be more accurate, we might see a corresponding increase in production for Woods.
