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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
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Ministry of Pain
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He is going to make a splash in the NFL, he went toe to toe with the biggest teams in the country and held his own and even more so at times. I think whoever gets him if they can let him watch for even the 1st 4-5 games from the sidelines and ease him into the game I think he could do some special things in the NFL.
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Andy Dufresne
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pantherclub
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Ministry of Pain
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Houston turmOiler
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If he takes the same kind of hits as Vick and RGIII then I worry about him long term as well.
Vincesanity
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As a lifelong A&M fan I couldn't bring myself to draft Johnny, I think he gets overwhelmed by the NFL.
ILUVBEER99
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He's going to be the QB that plunges during the draft. He's be wise to stay home if he gets the invite.
pantherclub
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Funny you say that, the way he scrambles reminds me of rg3. The upright style with the lunging at the end
Ministry of Pain
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Like he should be overwhelmed in the toughest conference in all of football? I think we're dismissing this kid way too fast in here. He has some of that "it" factor and reminds me a little bit of Tim Tebow where he is polarizing to different fans and you gotta take a step back to see what you are really looking at. I see skills here, I think he has a solid arm, great instincts on the field as plays are falling apart around him, I think if he has time to learn for even half a season before being pushed on to the field, I think his game can develop and I believe an NFL team will take a shot, the investment now is not what it was 2-3 years ago. Roll the dice!
pantherclub
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MCguidance
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Not sure why but I like the kid. He's got the tools of Wilson but not sure about the intangibles.
MoveToSkypager
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He's get destroyed in the NFL. Totally destroyed.
lod01
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Andy Dufresne
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He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs.
MoveToSkypager
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lod01
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MoveToSkypager
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But he doesn't throw the ball as well as QBs people compare him to (like Russel Wilson), from my experience.
Andy Dufresne
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Then you need to watch him more.And when you do, focus on this year. He's a much better passer than he was last year. Much better.
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MoveToSkypager
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Andy Dufresne
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Then I think you suffer from confirmation bias. 
Then again, maybe so do I.
Then again, maybe so do I.
babydemon90
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Mariota staying in school should likely inflate Manziels value... Can see him going in top 15...
MoveToSkypager
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We'll find out.Andy Dufresne said:Then I think you suffer from confirmation bias.
Then again, maybe so do I.
I want to say I don't want him to be bad. I don't root against A&M. I didn't go into this hoping this doesn't work out.
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Bob Magaw
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In the article posted by Faust above, Gosselin said after talking to league sources, he expects him to go top 12.
Maybe that is what some sources said, that aren't necessarily on teams that need a QB, we will see about the ones that do (JAX, HOU, MIN, CLE, maybe TB and OAK?).
Mariota not declaring does change the landscape.
It will be interesting to see if Hundley declares, raw, but ton of ability. Carr will be an option.
I do put a lot of stock in Gosselin. He no longer does it, but many on the board probably remember he had a reputation for having the most accurate mocks (always came out 2-3 days before draft?)... he admitted he didn't scout himself... but he seemed to have the most well informed (candid?
) network of well placed league insiders and sources, between front office, coaches and scouting departments.
Maybe that is what some sources said, that aren't necessarily on teams that need a QB, we will see about the ones that do (JAX, HOU, MIN, CLE, maybe TB and OAK?).
Mariota not declaring does change the landscape.
It will be interesting to see if Hundley declares, raw, but ton of ability. Carr will be an option.
I do put a lot of stock in Gosselin. He no longer does it, but many on the board probably remember he had a reputation for having the most accurate mocks (always came out 2-3 days before draft?)... he admitted he didn't scout himself... but he seemed to have the most well informed (candid?
) network of well placed league insiders and sources, between front office, coaches and scouting departments.
Stealthycat
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if he goes punk kid doing stupid stuff after winning the Heisman, imagine all the trouble he'll get into with a huge NFL Contract and $$$$$$$$
Houston turmOiler
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Im actually worried less about that than some other things....his family is already loaded and he can go do whatever he wants anyway. Im more worried about his size and whether or not he will learn to avoid crushing hits because he likes to run and fight to make big plays. If he doesnt he will end up as an exciting but injury prone athlete playing the position much like Vick.
Andy Dufresne
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Xue
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Mike Evans' best two games were vs Alabama and Auburn and Texas A&M still lost. If Evans isn't on that team, they have no chance.
Andy Dufresne
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Vincesanity
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He doesn't run the offense, his decision making is subpar, he won't stay in the pocket, he has a small frame besides being short, the defense most similar to an NFL defense with NFL speed off the edge has whipped him 2 years in a row.
He has a bad ankle, separated should and fractured thumb right now which is why he's looked pedestrian the last 2 games. If he's that banged up now it could get ugly next year.
He has a bad ankle, separated should and fractured thumb right now which is why he's looked pedestrian the last 2 games. If he's that banged up now it could get ugly next year.
Bob Magaw
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matt ryan is 3-9 and didn't look as good without julio jones and roddy white. weird, huh?
Andy Dufresne
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Time to spit the hook.
JShare87
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Excellent decision making and stays in the pocket until it breaks down. I've been defending him on here since last year. People that don't like him never will. People like me see the good in his play and probably won't change. Andy brings up some great points and clearly watches his games. I've watched every single play since the Bama game last year. This season he is a completely different player. His numbers are better this year. Everyone said Bama was the closest NFL defense he would face and has torched them twice. Now all of the sudden LSU is the closest comparison to an NFL defense, why because they played JFF good 2 years in a row? Most teams in the SEC have great defenses and LSU is the only one to stop him.
Xue
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That's like saying Calvin Johnson alone doesn't make Stafford great. Andre Johnson doesn't make Case Keenum great. AJ Green doesn't make Andy Dalton great. Vincent Jackson doesn't make Mike Glennon great.
Shutout
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I think he's more tebow than Wilson in terms of just having that knack...in college. But once he gets to the pros I just don't see it. But I've been wrong before.
