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WR Keenan Allen, CHI (2 Viewers)
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rjv
Footballguy
Thank you so much for this!!I get to keep 3 players a year no matter what and since I have AJ Green and Marshall as a keeper, I needed to start thinking of my third. Last season my third keeper was Martin BUT now if I can go into a season with 3 top 10 WRs as my keepers, wow I'm way ahead of the game.
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RBM
Footballguy
Resident A
Footballguy
Resident A
Footballguy
You could certainly make a case for DT & probably a few other guys, but I'd take Keenan Allen's consistency over a guy like DT any day of the week.
Where do you rank Keenan in Dynasty going forward? Looking to trade him while his value is super high... I drafted both him and Patterson this yead... & though I like Pattersons YAC ability more... Allen is a good player, I just don't see him holding up as "superstar" potential.
identikit
Footballguy
Warrior
Footballguy
you guys are out of control
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
As long as Gates is healthy they really cant double Allen, and D's have to worry about covering Woodhead in the passing game too.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I wouldnt call it conservative, I would call it "ball control" they like to work the clock to keep that lousy defense off the field
I was surprised that Keenan didnt do better SD being down most of the game. When they targeted him he did well.
I doubt they fall way behind Miami this week.
Banger
Footballguy
agreed...which is why I could see a lot of Woodhead / Matthews chewing up the clock.
would you trade him and DMC for a top 4 pick in 2015s draft, and a 13-16 overall also?
CalBear
Footballguy
I wouldn't trade him straight up for the #4 pick. Production > potential. For the #1 overall, I might if there were a specific player I thought was a can't-miss to take there, but that would be just for Allen. Two productive players for a couple of unknown rooks? No thanks. McFadden's just 26.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Allen's been a guy I don't even think about where he is in the rankings anymore. I just pencil him in my lineup and never really consider subbing him out. And I think I have a pretty deep WR corp. What a luxury to have him as a WR3, off the waiver wire noless.
rjv
Footballguy
Irish Chaos
Footballguy
I cant speak to this, but in my opinion, they rn one of the slowest offenses. By this I mean, each play they seem to use the whole play clock before the snap. Almost the anti-eagles if you will. As a Rivers/Gates/Allen owner in a couple leagues, its frustrating because the plays they do run on offense are efficient, just not enough volume to truly be elite
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
McCoy is trying to win games. It worked perfectly against the Colts. Not so much against the skins and against the Broncos they fell behind yet didn't abandon the run.
The Defense is so awful they are trying to keep them fresh and off the field
The Defense is so awful they are trying to keep them fresh and off the field
flysack
Footballguy
I'd call it very high. I picked him in a dynasty draft in the second round this year, and he's been my WR#2 for three weeks now, despite being a rookie.
You can't find a better FF rookie WR, can you? Name one. He's going to get better. He'll have a good QB throwing to him for years, a QB who's already fallen in love with him.
In dynasty terms, he's gold.
ETA: I agree with everyone above who consider him borderline untradeable. He's a weekly starter. Unless some idiot offers you a crazy package of players, why get rid of him?
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Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Not sure between Allen or Boykin ?
steveski
Footballguy
His frame and skill set will obviously keep him behind the big guys like Dez, Mega, Green, etc in fantasy purposes. This guy looks to me to be the next Reggie Wayne though, which is obviously very valuable. I can't think of another up and coming guy in the league that has more Wayne like abilities. Can anybody else?
I'm not putting Allen in that tier, but what about Allen's "frame" & "skill set" will OBVIOUSLY keep him behind those guys?
Allen-6'2", 212 lbs
Green-6'4", 207 lbs
Bryant-6'2", 222 lbs
Johnson-6'5", 236 lbs
The only one that really stands out, with regards to frame, is Megatron. Allen is 5 lbs heavier, but 2 inches shorter than Green, but he's the same height, and 10 lbs lighter than Bryant.
With regards to skill set, from what I've read and seen, Allen has very good hands, good ball skills when the ball is in the air, and attacks the ball in jump ball type situations. His route running seems to be very good, especially for a rookie. What about his skill set is inferior to those guys you mentioned?
steveski
Footballguy
Wow, I didn't realize his measurables were about the same as those guys. I was just judging by my eyes and how he plays. He plays like a small guy, which is not a bad thing. I never said he was inferior, or at least I didn't mean to say that. I meant that he plays differently. He runs really crisp routes and has great hands. All those other guys play like physical beasts and the QBs can just toss it up in their vicinity and feel comfortable about them bringing it in even if they are double teamed. Maybe I haven't seen enough of film on Allen, but I didn't think he played in the same way as those guys. Not that it's a bad thing, just that it's different.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I feel the same way about Josh Gordon, and these guys are ranked really close this week. (Note I own them in two separate leagues so I'm not asking who to start)
But, having said that. Both guys have the ability to be less consistent than some of the receivers in the tier above them, as we've seen the last few weeks.
I uncomfortably watched Keenan score 4 points last week in a matchup that seemed like it would be a high flying affair. If Rivers isn't chucking it to him when they are down two Tds against Denver is he going to get him the ball when they are up two Tds against a waffling Miami team?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
even the best WR are goin have a 4/40 5/50 2/30 type of stat line.
I guarantee SD wont be up two TDs on the road vs Miami
FF Wiseguy
Footballguy
I think defenses are adjusting, and have and will shift their coverage towards Allen. Allen will have to find ways to beat stronger coverage, which he seems to have the talent to be able to do. Also, McCoy to this point seems to do a good job of utilizing his talent, so unlike others (ahem, Jason Garrett), he will probably find ways to get him in single coverage and get him the ball.
That said, he's a rookie, and he plays in an offense that emphasizes making the smart play. Rivers won't be forcing very many "F it" throws into double coverage. As people were saying on earlier pages, expecting this guy to maintain low WR1 status the whole year was unrealistic. But for most of us, he's our WR2 or WR3, and will continue to be a stud in that role.
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rocketsauce
Footballguy
You Keenan Allen fans in here prefer him to Eric Decker going forward in PPR? Have the opportunity to make a move, and I'm torn on it. Like both of them a lot.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I have this same choice. I think I like Gordon over Keenan as well, and I'm not sure why.
CentralPA
Footballguy
All three are pretty close rankings wise. Very tough decision but my gut says Hilton and Gordon.....but like I said there is a good chance Keenan Allen is going to make me regret it. This is in PPR as well.
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IheartGuinness
Footballguy
I'm going with Riley Cooper over Keenan Allen this weekend, and I'm feeling like I might be receiving the same reminder....
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timoleander
Footballguy
This seems to be ultimately a decision about whether you like the WR with the greater targets vs. the current hotness. I think Cooper is averaging fewer than four catches a game over the past four week, while Allen is getting targeted more and catching more. I have the same Cooper vs. Allen decision to make this week, as well. I've flip-flopped five or six times already this week.
Might be chasing some Cooper points on that one. He's been the beneficiary of some bad secondary play and I'll say even...luck. Allen had a down game last week, but so did the majority of the Chargers offense. I think Allen is the safer play due to targets and usage. The Skins are a nice match up for sure though so I can see the draw of starting Cooper.
I'm flip-flopping over Josh Gordon vs Allen myself....but that's an A/C question
I'm flip-flopping over Josh Gordon vs Allen myself....but that's an A/C question
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VikingFrog
Footballguy
Gordon, higher upside and Allen lower floor in my opinion, for this week specifically. Depending on what you need.Might be chasing some Cooper points on that one. He's been the beneficiary of some bad secondary play and I'll say even...luck. Allen had a down game last week, but so did the majority of the Chargers offense. I think Allen is the safer play due to targets and usage. The Skins are a nice match up for sure though so I can see the draw of starting Cooper.
I'm flip-flopping over Josh Gordon vs Allen myself....but that's an A/C question
blake
Footballguy
I have the exact same dilemma (Allen vs. Jeffery), and I'm pretty set on starting Jeffery as well.
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Otis
Footballguy
Same thing here and I think you have to go Jeffery on this one, and you can't question it. Good problem to have.
ryno1980
Footballguy
I'm not sure which way I'd go on that one. Jeffrey is a stud, but McCown has leaned a little more toward Marshall compared to Cutler. One guy depending on McCown and the other Rivers is where I'd make the decision.
