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biju
Footballguy
Only bad teams use pedigree as to who should start or not. Do you believe the Broncos to be one of those teams?
Also, I have no idea why people say there is nothing to get excited about. Starting week 9 he only had one game below 90 total yards with four of them over 130 yards. He also had 6 games where he scored a TD (conversely, only two where he didn't score). I'm certainly not saying we need to discount the idea that he did it for half a season or the "fresh legs" theory, but the unknown makes it exciting by nature. Is there anyone really excited about seeing Ball or Hillman out there instead?
The answer is "no".
Touchdown There
Footballguy
CJ is the best RB on this roster, but I agree with those that have risk concerns. I don't take high risk players in round 1. The bust rate of a first round RB is 43% and CJ could easily tweak an ankle and come back 4-6 weeks later splitting reps. The new coaching staff has nothing invested in him. Ball has limitations, but he is solid at the goal-line and I could see him being a TD succubus. Hillman is average.
CalBear
Footballguy
biju
Footballguy
I keep seeing this and thinking "yeah, but they also have nothing invested in the other backs and they have all shown nothing when given the starting job". Makes me wonder if this is a necessary comment...
Niles Standish
Footballguy
Assuming he's talking fantasy probably a lot lower. QBs almost never bust (not the guys taken that early I mean) and WRs seem less likely since there's almost no chance of Calvin/Dez/Julio losing their jobs and less risk of injury than RBs.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Another thing to think about is the pass to run ratio and its impact last year. In weeks 1-11 Manning threw 67% of the time. In weeks 12-17 Manning threw 51% of the time. CJ did a bulk of his damage weeks 12-17.
I know they are saying the company line that they will run more this year. At the end of last year Manning was injured. By all accounts he is healthy now. He controls the offense. Some say he is a stat whore. Others say he is one of the best passers ever. What in either of those scenarios makes people think he will pass less?
This isn't a knock on CJ. This is a knock on the Denver running game as a whole. I have heard people say that the O-line is not very good as well.
These are a lot of concerns to have when drafting a guy late 1st/early 2nd.
I know they are saying the company line that they will run more this year. At the end of last year Manning was injured. By all accounts he is healthy now. He controls the offense. Some say he is a stat whore. Others say he is one of the best passers ever. What in either of those scenarios makes people think he will pass less?
This isn't a knock on CJ. This is a knock on the Denver running game as a whole. I have heard people say that the O-line is not very good as well.
These are a lot of concerns to have when drafting a guy late 1st/early 2nd.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
good posting here, I take A. Brown or Gronk, with that 8-12 first round pick. I never seen a thread with so many questions about what many feel is an elite RB, I don,t like uncertainty about my first round pick. That said he probably finish as the number one RB, but he won't be on any of my teams.
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renesauz
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There's the real problem here. He was miles ahead of an injured Ball last year. He may not be miles ahead of a healthy Ball. Ball showed a lot of promise as a rookie and it's a HUGE mistake to write him off.
CJA is a quality back, but there are other quality backs on that roster.
TripItUp
Footballguy
ourmanflint
Footballguy
You don't have to worry, he won't be there at #12. Lot of savvy drafters in front of you.
ponchsox
Footballguy
2 out of Julio, Dez, D. Thomas, Beckham, and Gronk (we don't have a TE slot, just WR/TE)
Could make sense if this is full PPR. I like several of the RB2 guys for upside plays too.
However I hate the wrongheaded philosophy that a single bad pick (and at the end of the first round no less!) could destroy your season. Maybe if you're in the top 4 and the guy blows out a knee in Week 1, but at the back of the round you're getting two solid guys guaranteed which allows for more risk IMO.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
I like Anderson this year, but I agree that his ADP is getting out of hand. I still have him below J. Hill and D. Murray.
The RB crop is thin this year though, and it's getting worse with injuries to Foster and McCoy. So I really can't blame someone taking a chance with Anderson early if they really want a running back in the first, especially since I think WR is very deep this year.
The RB crop is thin this year though, and it's getting worse with injuries to Foster and McCoy. So I really can't blame someone taking a chance with Anderson early if they really want a running back in the first, especially since I think WR is very deep this year.
Niles Standish
Footballguy
Who are the guys taken 1st round over the last 15 years? Peyton/Brady/Rodgers. Maybe Luck? Peyton and Brady both lost one year. Otherwise they've consistently finished highly. Rodgers missed 7 games a few years ago otherwise he has been consistent. I'm not sure Luck has ever been a first round pick (at most last year). I don't think Brees was ever more than a 2nd or 3rd rounder. They almost never bust.
jurb26
Footballguy
Honestly, I do t listen to him but based on the reputation... Draft him after the top 10 RBs and get both handcuffs?
Papa John's
Footballguy
This. History is on your side jurb.jurb26 said:
Deamon
Footballguy
you really think 2 of those will be on the board?ponchsox said:
If the top 5rbs go, then gronk and let's even throw a slip up on luck in there, that's 7 players. Julio/Dez/DT/ODB should make up the rest, so I'd assume that ZERO (not two) of those guys you listed will be available at 12?
ponchsox
Footballguy
Based on my league's drafting history, here's who I predict who will be gone before me.
(In no particular order) AP, Bell, Charles, Lacy, Brown, Lynch, Forte, Luck, CJA, and 3 of the 5 I listed leaving me with two WR or if I change my mind I can go WR and Hill at #13.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Interested in your leagues lineup and scoring rules. Seems like most PPR leagues without a major lineup bias favoring RBs are rarely seeing more than 4-5 RBs go in the 1st. You predict 7 of the 12 picks to be RBs. I don't know; guess it all depends on your league rules.
mikmak8902
Footballguy
Well, I had written off Ball before he ever became a bronco so it really has nothing to do with his injury for me. I also haven't heard a single report out of camp stating that Ball has looked special at all. All the camp reports rave about CJ. When I hear or see something positive about Ball, I'll start giving him a closer look.renesauz said:
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Can't believe you rubes and considering drafting this ham & egger in the first round
mikmak8902
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Now your position makes a lot more sense. Not the position itself, per se, but why you have taken it.
mikmak8902
Footballguy
And I try to continually re-evaluate players. I actually wanted to see Ball make a jump this offseason as I think he'd be a great buy low with all the CJ love. I'm just not seeing/reading anything to get me excited yet. Anyone have a quote from any reputable source saying Ball has impressed in camp?
Blackjacks
Footballguy
If Foster has such elite talent, why did he go undrafted coming out of college?
I think once given a shot his skillset fit perfectly with Kubiak's running scheme.
I think Anderson's do also.
mikmak8902
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Deamon
Footballguy
You're right on one thing. Those are likely the guys going in the top 14. However, I don't think ANY of julio/dez/DT/ODB is going to be there for you at 13. Chances are it could be those 5 WRs gone, plus the big 5 RBs + CJA. At 12/13 you could be stuck with Forte+luck. Ouch.
harryhood
Footballguy
Pots
Footballguy
I'll be honest, I'd rather have Hillman based on what I've seen/heard.Crickets?
same here. kubiak basically admitted that ball didn't have the speed to do any stretch type of run.I'll be honest, I'd rather have Hillman based on what I've seen/heard.Crickets?
mikmak8902
Footballguy
Agreed ... and I don't believe Hillman is an every down back ... hence the reason I am not too worried about CJ.I'll be honest, I'd rather have Hillman based on what I've seen/heard.Crickets?
jurb26
Footballguy
Why does Hillman need to be an every down back to create concern with Anderson?Agreed ... and I don't believe Hillman is an every down back ... hence the reason I am not too worried about CJ.I'll be honest, I'd rather have Hillman based on what I've seen/heard.Crickets?
mikmak8902
Footballguy
Haven't we already discussed the fact that Kubiak has publicly come out this offseason and explicitly stated he prefers to use a bellcow back? I'm just putting 2 and 2 together here. It doesn't get much clearer than CJ's situation. There are much dicier "starting" RB's to debate over. To me, this isn't even close.Why does Hillman need to be an every down back to create concern with Anderson?Agreed ... and I don't believe Hillman is an every down back ... hence the reason I am not too worried about CJ.I'll be honest, I'd rather have Hillman based on what I've seen/heard.Crickets?
satch
Footballguy
Hillman's cut out to be a perfect change of pace compliment to a workhorse, not be the workhorse. In a complimentary role Hillman is a valuable asset. Give him too much work and you risk losing that asset. Therefore, CJ owners have no reason to be concerned with Hillman affecting CJ's workload.Why does Hillman need to be an every down back to create concern with Anderson?Agreed ... and I don't believe Hillman is an every down back ... hence the reason I am not too worried about CJ.I'll be honest, I'd rather have Hillman based on what I've seen/heard.Crickets?
jurb26
Footballguy
So he's basically Gio Bernard but we're supposed to be concerned with Hill's workload and not Anderson's?Hillman's cut out to be a perfect change of pace compliment to a workhorse, not be the workhorse. In a complimentary role Hillman is a valuable asset. Give him too much work and you risk losing that asset. Therefore, CJ owners have no reason to be concerned with Hillman affecting CJ's workload.Why does Hillman need to be an every down back to create concern with Anderson?Agreed ... and I don't believe Hillman is an every down back ... hence the reason I am not too worried about CJ.I'll be honest, I'd rather have Hillman based on what I've seen/heard.Crickets?
And there's plenty of us that are not concerned about workload for either, both CJ and Hill are legit Bellcow RB1s and are being drafted as such in most leagues.So he's basically Gio Bernard but we're supposed to be concerned with Hill's workload and not Anderson's?Hillman's cut out to be a perfect change of pace compliment to a workhorse, not be the workhorse. In a complimentary role Hillman is a valuable asset. Give him too much work and you risk losing that asset. Therefore, CJ owners have no reason to be concerned with Hillman affecting CJ's workload.Why does Hillman need to be an every down back to create concern with Anderson?Agreed ... and I don't believe Hillman is an every down back ... hence the reason I am not too worried about CJ.I'll be honest, I'd rather have Hillman based on what I've seen/heard.Crickets?
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Post Corner
Footballguy
The Denver gravy train with TD and Mike Anderson was just too good to me many moons ago... the thought of Kubiak returning and Anderson's (CJ!) running style in that system is almost too much for me to take. Now you've got Manning and his ability to read defenses, adjust blocking, and calling the right play (audible when needed), and it **is** too much for me to take. Anderson will be a clear STUD.
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Deamon
Footballguy
Lots of talk about CJ's backups, but nothing much about the oline. No concerns here? Isn't there a few guys who have never played a snap? Seems like a messy line situation there this year but not sure how that will affect him.And there's plenty of us that are not concerned about workload for either, both CJ and Hill are legit Bellcow RB1s and are being drafted as such in most leagues.So he's basically Gio Bernard but we're supposed to be concerned with Hill's workload and not Anderson's?Hillman's cut out to be a perfect change of pace compliment to a workhorse, not be the workhorse. In a complimentary role Hillman is a valuable asset. Give him too much work and you risk losing that asset. Therefore, CJ owners have no reason to be concerned with Hillman affecting CJ's workload.Why does Hillman need to be an every down back to create concern with Anderson?Agreed ... and I don't believe Hillman is an every down back ... hence the reason I am not too worried about CJ.I'll be honest, I'd rather have Hillman based on what I've seen/heard.Crickets?
karmarooster
Footballguy
I felt that CJA was a solid pick early on, with low risk despite his lack of history due to the coaching/running situation and Manning. Now I read conflicting reports, that the O-line is substantially week (but then listening to On the Couch, that the o-line only needs time to get the technique down and doesn't need behemoth man-movers).Then I hear that Montee Ball is too slow to run the zone stretch to the outside and that this backfield is solidly in CJ's hands. Now I'm back to square one thinking CJ is a solid mid first pick.
Any truth out there to the O-line issues or Ball not being able to run the stretch play?
CJ is a solid value on Fanduel week 1 at $8,400, virtually interchangeable with Lacy and Murray for price. I've got to give the edge to Lacy at this point, however, due to o-line concerns and the Packers increased speed of play. I think CJ is probably a safer pick than Murray however, but think Murray is a really nice tourney play against the Falcons defense. He could rip off 150+ yards in huge chunks, but CJ seems to have a little more stability compared to Murray (despite the Broncos o-line issues).
Any truth out there to the O-line issues or Ball not being able to run the stretch play?
CJ is a solid value on Fanduel week 1 at $8,400, virtually interchangeable with Lacy and Murray for price. I've got to give the edge to Lacy at this point, however, due to o-line concerns and the Packers increased speed of play. I think CJ is probably a safer pick than Murray however, but think Murray is a really nice tourney play against the Falcons defense. He could rip off 150+ yards in huge chunks, but CJ seems to have a little more stability compared to Murray (despite the Broncos o-line issues).
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Lol. The stretch play in the zone blocking scheme is hardly a quick hitter. It's all about timing and then recognizing and hitting the seam as it happens.
Some interesting perspective in this thread.
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