karmarooster
Footballguy
Fair enough, but I thought that was discussed On the Couch this past week with Bloom and Bob Harris.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
not taking a side w/ anyone on this, but Kubes compared Hillman to Forsett earlier this training camp. I thought it was offseason fluff until last week when Hillman looked like (last year's) Forsett with a decent amount of carries.
maybe it's nothing, but I'm just posting it in here as an fyi.
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Van Dyman
Footballguy
CR69
Footballguy
You really have a grudge against CJ. Meanwhile, your boy Ball looks terrible and may have been pushed to #3 on the depth chart.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Why?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I'm not 100% certain his crappy performance at the end of last year was all injury related, and his performance tonight didn't alleviate those fears.
mikmak8902
Footballguy
Wow ... are you actually saying that a healthy Peyton Manning would be a detriment to this team? That's one of the most bizarre things I've ever read on this board. I'm not a colts fan or even a Manning fan for the most part but I think a record setting 17yr career is enough to say that a QB is better than average when healthy and not a detractor from a RB's fantasy value.rascal said:
identikit
Footballguy
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Pretty sure that he is saying th exact opposite. Manning's age is really becoming a concern and he was really exposed last year. Some of it was injury but if manning is falling off, that could hurt cj a bit. Obviously the advantage of a great qb is that the d can't crowd the box. If manning stinks it up, they will focus on stopping cj
jurb26
Footballguy
You didn't even list the biggest reason. That being his touch count over the stretch everyone is continually referencing is not sustainable.
Mortimer Ichabod
Footballguy
Latest from Rotoworld. Is Hillman a threat to this guy?
9News' Mike Klis said Broncos RB Ronnie Hillman is now the "1B runner behind C.J. Anderson."
Hillman has been electric this preseason, averaging 7.5 yards on his 16 carries. The hot start has allowed Hillman to blow past Montee Ball on the depth chart, and it appears he is in a position to steal carries from Anderson as well. Hillman has struggled before when given big workloads and lacks the ideal size to be a true feature back, but he is a great change of pace option who can rip off big chunk plays. If Anderson falters, Hillman has the talent to pick up the slack.Aug 24 - 11:42 AM
Source: 9News
9News' Mike Klis said Broncos RB Ronnie Hillman is now the "1B runner behind C.J. Anderson."
Hillman has been electric this preseason, averaging 7.5 yards on his 16 carries. The hot start has allowed Hillman to blow past Montee Ball on the depth chart, and it appears he is in a position to steal carries from Anderson as well. Hillman has struggled before when given big workloads and lacks the ideal size to be a true feature back, but he is a great change of pace option who can rip off big chunk plays. If Anderson falters, Hillman has the talent to pick up the slack.Aug 24 - 11:42 AM
Source: 9News
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this news. With all of the hype around CJ I have been loving seeing his ADP climb into the 1st round. I don't know if a RBBC back will stay there.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
some talking head says this and we are taking it as gospel??
I'm with you. Who is the schmuck reporting this? For all I know, this dude is a random reporter who is making this report based on his personal eye ball test during the games. I see this as the most likely scenario. Every CJA owner has been worried about and on top of this issue since preseason got underway. He made an deduction based on what he's seen but brings no new facts to the table. Nothing has changed as far as anyone knows
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
What "news"? It's coachspeak during the preseason. The only people who might be worried by the quote are Montee Ball owners who were holding out for a comeback.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya. I admit, I fell into the trap. It's still panic that sets in when you've drafted him and you read that. I should know better then to trust rotoworld I guess.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
Anderson is fools gold. This is going to be a committee all year.
purestrength
Footballguy
Anderson worth at least a third-round pick in redraft PPR?
Kubiak has always believed in the bell-cow, so CJ Anderson should be the guy if he doesn't have any major hiccups.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
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Van Dyman
Footballguy
Banking on Kubiak's history might not be as sure a bet as it once was. His RB usage in Baltimore last year was very unpredictable for the first few six or so. Drove me nuts.
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Shutout
Footballguy
I don't think the CJ Anderson guys have anything to worry about except injury.
I posted a few weeks ago about Hillman looking much better this year and that he will probably be the #2 and that is a good thing for Anderson. Hillman is improved yet different. Hillman looks the part to play a very nice complement role but Anderson will be fine if he's healthy. Kubes likes this type of runner and he will go with him.
Disclaimer: NOT an owner of any Denver RB in fantasy but have been in the past. If you go back and look at my Denver RB talk for the past several years, you'll see I follow it closely and generally am pretty plugged in to what goes down. That and a few bucks will get you coffee but what I'm trying to say without saying I get this right a lot is when you follow it from year to year and know these coaches and this team, I feel really good that the Anderson owners are going to be fine.
I posted a few weeks ago about Hillman looking much better this year and that he will probably be the #2 and that is a good thing for Anderson. Hillman is improved yet different. Hillman looks the part to play a very nice complement role but Anderson will be fine if he's healthy. Kubes likes this type of runner and he will go with him.
Disclaimer: NOT an owner of any Denver RB in fantasy but have been in the past. If you go back and look at my Denver RB talk for the past several years, you'll see I follow it closely and generally am pretty plugged in to what goes down. That and a few bucks will get you coffee but what I'm trying to say without saying I get this right a lot is when you follow it from year to year and know these coaches and this team, I feel really good that the Anderson owners are going to be fine.
jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah, really. Better talent and I like his situation a lot this year. I'm more confident in Miller being a top 10 RB than I am Anderson. Things seem to be breaking very well for Miller. He's the cheapest RB1 going IMO.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I still don't think this position is settled yet, but fwiw, Klis and the rest of the Denver Post sportswriters are even less reliable than Lammey - I know, hard to believe, but true.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I nabbed CJ in a 14 team PPR draft #9 overall, after consensus top backs (and a few on the bubble) were gone (Bell, Lacy, Peterson, Charles, Lynch, and Forte). Knowing the thinness that 14 teams creates, took CJ knowing all the upside and risks. The fact that Hillman is looking great does not shake me in terms of seeing this devolve into an RBBC -- I think with Kubiak and this offense, CJ will have a few games to prove his worth as the bell cow before I think the notion of RBBC becomes a possibility.
What bugs me with taking CJ is the need to grab a handcuff at the expense of value. I ended up drafting Ball (which I will correct with Hillman as soon as waivers open) in the 11th where I would have rather had a more upside guy like Denard Robinson, Kenny Stills, Malcolm Floyd, or Wheaton -- or even a more clear cut handcuff like Knile Davis.
This is the downside of CJ for me this year -- I think he can put up Top 10 RB numbers, but you will a) lose some value with the need to grab a handcuff to mitigate risk and have the next up guy in what I believe is a bell-cow system, and b) even with Hillman shining, I don't think that handcuff is going to be clear-cut -- Ball is still around and has proven himself in the past.
What bugs me with taking CJ is the need to grab a handcuff at the expense of value. I ended up drafting Ball (which I will correct with Hillman as soon as waivers open) in the 11th where I would have rather had a more upside guy like Denard Robinson, Kenny Stills, Malcolm Floyd, or Wheaton -- or even a more clear cut handcuff like Knile Davis.
This is the downside of CJ for me this year -- I think he can put up Top 10 RB numbers, but you will a) lose some value with the need to grab a handcuff to mitigate risk and have the next up guy in what I believe is a bell-cow system, and b) even with Hillman shining, I don't think that handcuff is going to be clear-cut -- Ball is still around and has proven himself in the past.
addicted2ff
Footballguy
When 2 guys are close enough in talent/trust, coaches typically prefer to go RBBC, and when 1 guy is way above the others they'll usually make him the bell cow.
I still think CJA is the guy but if Hillman keeps doing well the coaches would have no choice but to give him a bigger piece of the pie.
I still think CJA is the guy but if Hillman keeps doing well the coaches would have no choice but to give him a bigger piece of the pie.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sell high on hillman quickly
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
he did look to have more zip on the ball then he did even at the beginning of last season.
I think CJ Anderson is going to the focal point of the Broncos' offense this season. Manning is arguably their most important player (after all, he's a QB), but he's been broken down by the time the playoffs have come. This season, I think a bigger focus will be on keeping him healthy and emphasizing a ground attack. That's not to say that he won't have games where he throws for 400 yards and 4 TD's, but I think there's going to be a good number of ones where he has 220 yards and 2 TD's.
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