Terpman22
Footballguy
True, but I think every D in the division has been changing their schemes the last 4 years or so. Except the Giants still run a 4-3.
Not an excuse, but probably a factor. And the DB's overall on every team have been subpar.
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Not an excuse, but probably a factor. And the DB's overall on every team have been subpar.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
And none of the defenses really got significantly better this offseason.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Isnt ours the only one that didnt lose a starter?
Dallas loses Ware
Washington Fletcher
Giants Tuck
Off the top of my head those teams not only lost a player but they lost their best players, captains and leaders.
B-Deep
Footballguy
at least the cowboys shed the dead weight of ware and spencer and hatcher on their D-line....
hopefully we draft another mediocre tight end round 2 to assist our defense
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Terpman22
Footballguy
No way. Trade back and take a guard, but make sure it's the end of round 1. Ya know, for that extra year in the contract.at least the cowboys shed the dead weight of ware and spencer and hatcher on their D-line....
hopefully we draft another mediocre tight end round 2 to assist our defense
fatness
Footballguy
Fletcher was a liability on the field last year for the Redskins, and far from the best defensive player. Hall was, and near the end of the season Riley, Orakpo, and Chris Baker really stepped up. Fletcher got manhandled far more than ever before by offensive linemen, and was noticeably slower in pass coverage than he had ever been. His physical skills had just deteriorated to the point that it was noticeable on the field game after game.
As far as Tuck and Ware, I'd defer to Dallas fans for information/opinions about them.
fatness
Footballguy
The Redskins are NOT starting Baccari Rambo this year so that's a big step up. God he was bad. You could hear the coaches thinking "give him time, he's a rookie" and over time he remained consistent at being bad, and got benched. Adding Hatcher will help the Skins defense noticeably I think.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
throw in that they are scheduling more division games at the back end (ff playoffs) and it might make sense to draft players inside this division.
Insein
Footballguy
NFLPA to examine Desean's release as possible defamation
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=10727996
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=10727996
CentralPA
Footballguy
...and DeSean is being interviewed by Stephen A Smith tonight. Nobody drivels more BS than Smith so I'd be surprised if this wasn't designed to cut down the Eagles organization.
Terpman22
Footballguy
False Start
Footballguy
So you dont think there was anything shady involved in releasing your best WR after his best season? Thats interesting.
Insein
Footballguy
Just reiterates the point that the Eagles FO should say something about it. They're going to have to eventually or it will become a distraction because the Philly media won't let it die.
CentralPA
Footballguy
No I don't. I think they released because they were tired of putting up with his attitude and he wasn't a team player. The evidence is piling up. Was his release after the NJ.com article a little odd. Yes...but I believe it was just bad timing.
CentralPA
Footballguy
This part admittedly I don't get. I would hope there is good reasoning behind the silence but i'm not sure what that would be.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Exactly. Ever seen Smith interview Kobe Bryant? It is nauseating. Same thing will happen with Jackson here, as Smith will ask him the tough questions in a softball kind of way (meaning, he won't press him on anything).
Amused to Death
Footballguy
When it first happened, there was speculation the team issued their statement and wouldn't comment further because they're anticipating a greivence from Jackson.
fatness
Footballguy
I wonder why the Eagles won't say that?
I wonder why Eagle front office sources were cited in that article?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I'm confused. The answer they havent is listed right in post #660 of this thread. You may as well just plead guilty by saying anything...
CentralPA
Footballguy
They were cited for saying he was a distraction off the field and in the locker room. There are at least a dozen more articles that say the same thing. You're allowed to release a player if you don't feel he fits the mold of your team or if he is a major distraction. And there is ample testimony from multiple sources inside and outside the organization that back that up.
As far as why they don't come out and say that. Not sure. I would hope there would be a good reason for it though and I think we'll eventually find out.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
Questions that SHOULD be asked of DeSean:
Question: Did you miss meetings last season? If so, how many? And how many times were you fined?
Missed meetings and an inconsistent work ethic wore on the Eagles, NJ.com learned. (Jackson was suspended by former Eagles head coach Andy Reid for missing a team meeting during the 2011 season.) Those issues led to a lack of chemistry between first-year Eagles head coach Chip Kelly and DeSean Jackson.
Q: Do you believe the Eagles would have released you even without NJ.com story that delved into your alleged ties to the Crips?
Jackson's name came up in in the wake of a 2010 murder investigation, while authorities told NJ.com he was not a suspect or witness. His friend, Theron Shakir, was one of the two men charged with the murder of a 14-year-old male. Shakir also rapped under Jackson's label Jaccpot Records. Shakir, an alleged member of the Crips, was acquitted of the murder charge and an accompanying gun charge, but Sharkir's friend and former high school football teammate, Marques Binns, was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison.
Q: Some people believe the Eagles planted the story with NJ.com. Do you?
Several media members -- including Stephen A. Smith -- have questioned the timing of this site's story on Jackson. He was on the trading block for weeks, even if last Friday's release was unexpected. But NJ.com was not "fed" the story by the Eagles.
Q: Your contract is for three years and a reported $24 million. What we don't know are the non-financial terms of the deal. Is there any language like the special rules spelled out in receiver Dez Bryant's deal with the Dallas Cowboys,
Bryant agreed to several conduct guidelines as part of his deal. Those include a midnight curfew, an alcohol ban and regular counseling, ESPN.com reported last month.
Q: Few Eagles have defended you publicly. Does that bother you?
That was the first question NJ.com asked when Jackson arrived at Dulles Airport for his Redskins visit on Monday. (He declined to answer it that time.) Fellow receiver Jeremy Maclin was one of the few Eagles players who stepped to Jackson's aid.
Q: NJ.com uncovered a previously unreported arrest in 2009. Can you give us some details of how that went down?
Jackson was pulled over for having illegally tinted windows while driving in the Los Angeles area in 2009. During the stop, police told NJ.com officers discovered marijuana in the vehicle. He was arrested for possession of marijuana while driving, disturbing the peace and operating a car with materials that obstruct or reduce a driver’s view, according to court documents. He took a pea deal that only led to one conviction on his record: disturbing the peace. It's unclear if the league knew about the arrest at the time, but he wasn't fined or suspended.
Q: There were several photos posted by you on Instagram where you appeared to flash gang signs or was pictured with alleged gang members. The three photos that appeared in our original story were erased off the social media service. Why did you do that?
Via Instagram
NJ.com archived the three photos, so you can still them in the original story.
Q: Have you reassessed your relationships with your friends -- including Shakir --since your release from the Eagles?
Jackson's former high school football coach told NJ.com that Jackson leaned on his friends after the death of his father in May 2009. Some of those friends were described as "not-so-good people."
Question: Did you miss meetings last season? If so, how many? And how many times were you fined?
Missed meetings and an inconsistent work ethic wore on the Eagles, NJ.com learned. (Jackson was suspended by former Eagles head coach Andy Reid for missing a team meeting during the 2011 season.) Those issues led to a lack of chemistry between first-year Eagles head coach Chip Kelly and DeSean Jackson.
Q: Do you believe the Eagles would have released you even without NJ.com story that delved into your alleged ties to the Crips?
Jackson's name came up in in the wake of a 2010 murder investigation, while authorities told NJ.com he was not a suspect or witness. His friend, Theron Shakir, was one of the two men charged with the murder of a 14-year-old male. Shakir also rapped under Jackson's label Jaccpot Records. Shakir, an alleged member of the Crips, was acquitted of the murder charge and an accompanying gun charge, but Sharkir's friend and former high school football teammate, Marques Binns, was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison.
Q: Some people believe the Eagles planted the story with NJ.com. Do you?
Several media members -- including Stephen A. Smith -- have questioned the timing of this site's story on Jackson. He was on the trading block for weeks, even if last Friday's release was unexpected. But NJ.com was not "fed" the story by the Eagles.
Q: Your contract is for three years and a reported $24 million. What we don't know are the non-financial terms of the deal. Is there any language like the special rules spelled out in receiver Dez Bryant's deal with the Dallas Cowboys,
Bryant agreed to several conduct guidelines as part of his deal. Those include a midnight curfew, an alcohol ban and regular counseling, ESPN.com reported last month.
Q: Few Eagles have defended you publicly. Does that bother you?
That was the first question NJ.com asked when Jackson arrived at Dulles Airport for his Redskins visit on Monday. (He declined to answer it that time.) Fellow receiver Jeremy Maclin was one of the few Eagles players who stepped to Jackson's aid.
Q: NJ.com uncovered a previously unreported arrest in 2009. Can you give us some details of how that went down?
Jackson was pulled over for having illegally tinted windows while driving in the Los Angeles area in 2009. During the stop, police told NJ.com officers discovered marijuana in the vehicle. He was arrested for possession of marijuana while driving, disturbing the peace and operating a car with materials that obstruct or reduce a driver’s view, according to court documents. He took a pea deal that only led to one conviction on his record: disturbing the peace. It's unclear if the league knew about the arrest at the time, but he wasn't fined or suspended.
Q: There were several photos posted by you on Instagram where you appeared to flash gang signs or was pictured with alleged gang members. The three photos that appeared in our original story were erased off the social media service. Why did you do that?
Via Instagram
NJ.com archived the three photos, so you can still them in the original story.
Q: Have you reassessed your relationships with your friends -- including Shakir --since your release from the Eagles?
Jackson's former high school football coach told NJ.com that Jackson leaned on his friends after the death of his father in May 2009. Some of those friends were described as "not-so-good people."
GoBirds
Footballguy
I think it's the approach that someone that handled himself the way he did doesn't deserve the time. Just before they made a nice statement about Avant who was an awesome team player. The article above sums up Desean.
dehaven123
Footballguy
False Start
Footballguy
Tired of him leading the team in receiving? Evidence is piling up? The evidence that was fed by the team? The team would know of his arrest and maybe they fed the info to NJ.com. I dont expect you to defend DJax now, but 3 weeks ago you would be singing a different tune.CentralPA said:
Amused to Death
Footballguy
They were trying to trade him (and threatened to cut him) long before the article came out. You can actually go back as far as '12 when Reid tried to trade him. IF there's evidence the team provided false info they should be punished. The Player's Association will do its investigation. He was NOT released because of the article. There's no way he was playing for the Eagles in '14.
Mike Silver (who as far as I know has no ties to the Eagles or Philly) asked a former Eagles coach how much of a pain DJax was to coach. "a 10, just like his number".
GoBirds
Footballguy
Exactly, I dont know why people are so worried about them talking about it. Nothing meaningful will be said.
Insein
Footballguy
But something will be said. Saying nothing leaves the speculation to grow. When each day passes and no bomb has been dropped on Desean that would lead the team to "not pursue a trade in good conscience" it screams to the fans that they had no plan when it came to him leaving and just haphazardly concocted a scheme to alleviate any blame on their part.
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massraider
Footballguy
Phenix
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
"After careful consideration over this offseason, the Philadelphia Eagles have decided to part ways with DeSean Jackson. The team informed him of his release today," the Eagles said in a statement.
That's the entirety of the Eagles' statement. The NFLPA is investigating if they did anything wrong.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I think they probably did a bit of that, allowing the media to drag him through the mud a bit, but if even half the stuff about him as a teammate is true, good for Chip and the Eagles to bounce him.
GoBirds
Footballguy
He was putting pictures on Instagram with gang members while flashing gang signs. I dont think the team has to leak info for this to get out.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
It's possible that this was death by a thousand cuts. The constant "bad teammate" schtick was probably tolerated for a good chunk of time due to on field performance but the tension with coaches and players is impossible to tolerate forever. I'd bet they were on the fence but decided to gut it out for one more year. Then, AFTER FA, when there are no trade partners (ie no outs for the eagles) his agent starts alluding to hold outs, new contracts, etc. thinking that they would be forced to cave. However this new regime is not like the previous one and they call his bluff and boot desean rather than go thru another TO circus.
Additionally, it's possible-just speculating here- that they are working behind the scenes on a trade scenario that puts them in position to take a Mike Evans WR. They may feel so confident in this, that bouncing desean was an easy decision because his larger, taller replacement will be on the team in May. This would obviously not be something they want to announce now-hence the lack of an explanation.
Additionally, it's possible-just speculating here- that they are working behind the scenes on a trade scenario that puts them in position to take a Mike Evans WR. They may feel so confident in this, that bouncing desean was an easy decision because his larger, taller replacement will be on the team in May. This would obviously not be something they want to announce now-hence the lack of an explanation.
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Terpman22
Footballguy
Not everyone- but certainly the Eagles' fan base deserve something.
Insein
Footballguy
The release timed with the NJ.com article is the reason to question them. They stated that the article was a catalyst for his release and that only had allusion to bad associations. If they don't like him, come out and say that. They are letting the media paint the picture for them which is why there is such wild speculation from all sides.
duaneok66
Footballguy
Like others have stated above - you won't hear anything other than generic explanations.
The guys was high maintenance - he was a drain on the cap - they got rid of him.
I seriously don't know what people want.
duaneok66
Footballguy
the article was not the main thing. All the stuff that happened behind closed doors (IMO) was the real problem. The article just made the release "convenient". I think that they would have released him even if the article had never been published.
My point is that it's addition by subtraction. Why not look ahead instead of behind? Kelly's seems to be a very good/great offensive mind - and the Eagles look to be in very good shape for the future.
Insein
Footballguy
Then say that. They've let one of their best players go for nothing. Saying nothing leads the public to believe either a) something else is happening that they can't speak about it or b) they don't give a crap what the fanbase thinks and don't owe us an explanation.
Insein
Footballguy
The season and even the draft is month's away. There's time to worry about all that. Im not even worried about desean. If they decided to cut McCoy or Foles with no explanation and let the media paint a broad picture, I'd be just as annoyed.
This is a bad precedent that the team can make a drastic move like this and doesn't have to say a thing to the fans as to why it was done.
duaneok66
Footballguy
why would they cut McCoy or Foles? Bad precedent?
My theory is - they cut Jackson - they had to have a good reason. And like the article stated, not one Eagles player spoke out protesting the release. Their silence also speaks volumes.
duaneok66
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Did you read the article you linked? There's nothing in the PFT article saying anyone confirmed Jackson's gang ties. I''ll copy it here so everyone can see that.
Did you read the article linked in PFT's article? Here it is. There is nothing in the article saying the LAPD confirmed any gang ties. I'll copy it here.
So LAPD confirms Jackson's gang ties to 49ers, Raiders doesn't come from anywhere in the article you linked.
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fatness
Footballguy
This is what is says.
In other words there's no LAPD source, just a generic "LAPD confirmed the reports" statement from a cable outlet. Unlike the named source (Barling) in the story I linked above.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Not sure what happened with the link but Google csn bay area for the story. It's there. I'm on a mobile right now or I'd cut and paste.
