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Sources tell ESPN's Ed Werder that two teams are in "deep negotiations" with free agent DeSean Jackson.

It's an eyebrow-raiser because Werder says these two teams have not been identified publicly has having interest in Jackson. That rules out the Redskins, Raiders, Bills, Jets and 49ers. And despite serious needs, the Chiefs and Panthers have said they're not interested. We have a couple darkhorses in the mix as Jackson meets with Dan Snyder in Virgina Monday. "Lot of research needs to be done here. High risk, potentially high reward," one NFL head coach told Werder.

This sounds like his agent isnt getting what he thought he would.

Sounds that way to me too, which is why I think it may be awhile until Jackson signs with anyone.

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Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

DeSean Jackson starts his meetings in Washington tonight. If history is a judge, I would expect owner Dan Snyder and GM Bruce Allen to put on the hard sell to sign Jackson when he arrives in Virginia late today—or at least sometime before he leaves for his second meeting somewhere in the NFL. Snyder is a gambler. He does not like to lose players he wants, and why would he not be aggressive in pursuing Jackson? Washington is $7 million under the cap—not a lot of dough, but consider that its three best offensive weapons now (Pierre Garçon, Alfred Morris and newly signed wideout Andre Roberts) count for a reasonable $12.55 million on the cap this year.

This is contingent, of course, on Allen and coach Jay Gruden and Washington assistants asking around about Jackson’s attitude, work ethic and off-field stuff. The most logical conclusion, after the NJ.com report on Jackson’s off-field associations followed by the Eagles’ release of him, is that Jackson has some friends who are gang members but is not a gang member himself and hasn’t been detained by the police in any sort of gang-related activities. I can see Allen, as good a contract-writer as there is in the business, putting in enough insurance to protect Washington—and I also think Allen will be the calming influence on Snyder so the owner doesn’t throw so much money at Jackson to prevent him from seeking other options. And there will be more suitors.

So what happened in Philadelphia? I don’t think there was one specific event. I think there was a feeling internally in Philadelphia that Jackson should have been one of the team leaders, and an argument on the sideline would crop up, and he wasn’t the best work ethic guy, and I always got the feeling that old and new administrations weren’t crazy about Jackson being in position to influence some of the younger players on the team. Yes, Chip Kelly wants everything done his way; maybe Jackson chafed at that. Whatever, it’s clear that if you’re not a good fit in the Kelly puzzle you’re not going to last in Philadelphia. But I want to stress that I don’t think this was a Kelly decision alone. I think this was organizational, brought on some by the negative publicity that came with the damaging NJ.com article released Friday.

One more thing: Many of you asked Friday why the Eagles didn’t just try to get something, anything for Jackson. Just my feeling, because neither Kelly nor GM Howie Roseman were talking over the weekend, but I’d bet a lot that the Eagles, once the NJ.com story got out, didn’t know if there was going to be more bad stuff coming out on Jackson, and didn’t want any team coming back to them saying, “What were you hiding?” Plus, no team would have given anything for Jackson after that story hit the internet Friday—even though there was nothing damning in it, just a lot of smoke.

Replacing Jackson. The loss of Jackson will be softened by two players Chip Kelly has never had a chance to coach in the regular season: Jeremy Maclin and Darren Sproles. Maclin tore his right ACL in the first week of Eagles camp last summer and was lost for the season; he has rehabbed well and should be ready to play by the summer at full speed. Sproles, of course, was acquired in a trade earlier this month from New Orleans. I’d be excited about the prospect of those two players joining Riley Cooper to form a strong receiver/slot combo platter, with LeSean McCoy wheel-routing as a good option out of the backfield. But the difference between Jackson and the Maclin/Sproles combination is easy: Jackson’s a legitimate top-five-in-the-league deep threat. Maclin’s not. In their last two healthy seasons, Maclin (2012) and Sproles (2013) averaged a combined 10.4 yards per catch. Jackson averaged 16.2, and caught five passes a game. That’s a big hole to fill. I don’t doubt Kelly can accommodate Jackson’s absence, but it’s not going to be easy.

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@Russellmania980: Just one source, not directly connected but informed says he heard that DeSean Jackson is still very much looking for 9-10 M per year AVG +

I'm sure he'll get it. After all there's 3 teams fighting for him right now.

:coffee:

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“@DeseanJackson10 and me have been boys since we were kids…No one should be judged by the actions of others! #fam”

—@RSherman_25, the Seattle cornerback and boyhood friend of Jackson in Los Angeles, after Jackson was cut by the Eagles Friday and linked to gangs.

LOOK: Richard Sherman and DeSean Jackson as little league teammates

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Monday Musings: DeSean no saint, but he deserves better from Eagles

Pete Prisco

Excerpt:

Two words NFL current players never want the public to hear linked to their name: Bullying and gangs.

We've had both in the past six months, and the players linked to each have taken a beating in the court of public opinion.

By now, we know most of what transpired in "Bully-gate" in the Miami Dolphins' locker room and the name Richie Incognito is basically mud in the eyes of most. But recently, gang talk has taken on a life of its own with the release of Philadelphia Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson.

Only hours before his release, a newspaper story alleged his involvement with gang members could have played a role in his losing favor inside the organization. That's some strong stuff, and it was met with a lot of outrage from players around the league on Twitter.

"They assassinated his character," one player said to me.

Nobody is saying Jackson is a perfect teammate or player. He reportedly has issues being on time and his commitment to football has been questioned. But his release seems far more about coach Chip Kelly's dislike for Jackson, rather some reported gang issues.

It's true Jackson has a huge salary cap number, but there is no denying he was the Eagles' best receiver -- by far. He was their big-play threat. It's why he will get signed and play a big role for a new team (maybe the Redskins, who he will visit first). But if Kelly doesn't want Jackson's ways in the locker room, I get it. It's on him to allow a talent like that to walk, but ultimately the coach has a decision to make about chemistry.

Hints have come out that the Eagles players were glad Jackson's gone. If they are, it has nothing to do with his off-field associations. Players don't give a crap about who a guy hangs out with as long as he shows up to work and works hard when he's there. Players want to win, and most hate laziness.

As for the gang associations, a lot of players grew up with guys who are in gangs. They were friends with them. Just because you go different directions doesn't mean when you see them you aren't friendly.

"If you're from the neighborhood, you're some way affiliated," one player told me.

I've heard many stories from players who say gang members helped get them to where they are now. They saw talent, made sure they didn't go down the wrong path, and kept them focused on football. If they needed something, like say a pair of cleats the family couldn't afford, they got it for them.

If you want to call that gang association, so be it. I call it survival. I remember a story from a few years back that a defensive back refused to wear the red helmet cover that some teams use in practice to separate units on special teams. Why? He wasn't wearing red because it was a gang color.

But that doesn't mean that player was in the gang. It meant he respected friends of his who were.

Jackson's supposed gang symbols were probably no different. He probably told the guys he would flash something to them during the game, perhaps giving them a big adrenaline rush as they sat and watched, but it's too simple to say that act means he's a member.

Does Jackson probably know some gang members? You bet. We know it's a safe bet many NFL players have known or associated at times with known gang members.

So it's unfair to Jackson to have the Eagles so silent on the matter as his reputation takes a beating. Say something, Chip Kelly. Speak up.

If you don't like guys who don't work, then say it. If you don't like the cap value, then say it. Jackson might not be a saint, but the court of public opinion is killing him without all the evidence.

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RumfordJohnny @RumfordJohnny 8m

Agree with @evansilva's take on DJax: If he lands in WAS, he helps Garçon/Reed, not himself. Numbers will drop. #fantasyfootball

I don't see it helping Garcon's numbers. He had more catches than the next four Redskins WR's combined.

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RumfordJohnny ‏@RumfordJohnny 8m

Agree with @evansilva's take on DJax: If he lands in WAS, he helps Garçon/Reed, not himself. Numbers will drop. #fantasyfootball

I don't see it helping Garcon's numbers. He had more catches than the next four Redskins WR's combined.

I could see Garcon possibly scoring more touchdowns but you would have to think his targets and catches would decrease.

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Looks like a few DJax topics in the Shark Pool, so i'll ask, who ya got...

Guessing at this point, but, who signs DJax? :shrug:

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Looks like a few DJax topics in the Shark Pool, so i'll ask, who ya got...

Guessing at this point, but, who signs DJax? :shrug:

Raiders. For about $7mil per for 5 years. Big signing bonus. High later year salary. Cut after 2 years.

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Looks like a few DJax topics in the Shark Pool, so i'll ask, who ya got...

Guessing at this point, but, who signs DJax? :shrug:

Raiders. For about $7mil per for 5 years. Big signing bonus. High later year salary. Cut after 2 years.

I don't think he gets out of Washington, big signing bonus, but I agree the team is able to get out of it after two years.

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Looks like a few DJax topics in the Shark Pool, so i'll ask, who ya got...

Guessing at this point, but, who signs DJax? :shrug:

Raiders. For about $7mil per for 5 years. Big signing bonus. High later year salary. Cut after 2 years.

Redskins are more likely to include a large signing bonus than Oakland or Cleveland or the Jets or Bills.

They have less cap room, so to give the same cash up front, they will have to prorate it.

The other teams can use roster bonuses much easier than Washington. Doesn't matter to DeSean, it won't affect where he signs, but if the Skins sign him, there's more of a chance that their future cap would be more exposed, if anything goes sideways with DeSean.

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Cleveland and the Jets both have more cap room than any of these teams, both have a pretty easy spot to slide DJax into in the lineup, and both certainly believe that they are closer to the playoffs than Oakland.

Both teams have more cap room than they need, and could give him a lot of money without having it hurt the team's fincances in any way. The Raiders, as well, but the Browns and Jets moreso.

Yeah, yeah, not sure DeSean is the guy to be around Josh Gordon. Maybe. Maybe not. How dangerous would that 1-2 punch be on the field? That's probably 2 of the top 5 deep threats in the league.

And Cleveland isn't making a play for him? The fans will be completely stoked if the draft Sammy Watkins with the #4 pick, but no one wants to use the #4 elsewhere, and upgrade the WR position?

Just surprising to me.

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RumfordJohnny @RumfordJohnny 8m

Agree with @evansilva's take on DJax: If he lands in WAS, he helps Garçon/Reed, not himself. Numbers will drop. #fantasyfootball

I don't see it helping Garcon's numbers. He had more catches than the next four Redskins WR's combined.

The next four Redskin WR's were Sleepy, Grumpy, Eeyore, and Bluto.

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Eagles beat reporter:

Have had a couple people tell me that talks between Jackson's side and Redskins have been going very well. My guess is he signs there.

Right now Jackson's at dinner with the coaches and with Bruce Allen. Tomorrow is the "official meeting", which I guess means he meets with Snyder. I would imagine the official meeting will depend heavily on how the meeting with coaches and Allen goes.

https://twitter.com/NBCdianna/status/450747695670378496

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RumfordJohnny @RumfordJohnny 8m

Agree with @evansilva's take on DJax: If he lands in WAS, he helps Garçon/Reed, not himself. Numbers will drop. #fantasyfootball

I don't see it helping Garcon's numbers. He had more catches than the next four Redskins WR's combined.

Griffin should be helped quite a bit - Garcon, DJax, Roberts and Reed, that's a much better top 4. That's a better top 4 than most teams all of a sudden (if it happens).

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You would think with each move this well documented they don't plan on letting him leave without a contract. What's he gonna be paid though if you take rookies and Clark out of the current cap number.

Eagles beat reporter:

Tim McManus@Tim_McManus

Have had a couple people tell me that talks between Jackson's side and Redskins have been going very well. My guess is he signs there.

Right now Jackson's at dinner with the coaches and with Bruce Allen. Tomorrow is the "official meeting", which I guess means he meets with Snyder. I would imagine the official meeting will depend heavily on how the meeting with coaches and Allen goes.

https://twitter.com/NBCdianna/status/450747695670378496

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Not saying he's going there or that he's a bad player but it always seems like the redskins get our sloppy seconds.

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I welcome DeSean to DC if that's the case! And I'm betting our GM put specific language in the contract to protect the Skins if anything from this gang stuff does ever amount to anything.

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I welcome DeSean to DC if that's the case! And I'm betting our GM put specific language in the contract to protect the Skins if anything from this gang stuff does ever amount to anything.

Why would he do that? The gang stuff is a false assumption/media embellishment. :shrug:

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Nobody is going to Cleveland on purpose.

Was going to say the same for the Jets. No one wants anything to do with these trainwrecks. I would throw the Raiders in there as well.

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Done deal! Will be scary if playing his old team and having greater success in division become the catalyst to a motivated/dedicated player. Pure talent + motivation..

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This thing is all wrapped up. Probably agreed to terms but can't sign till tomorrow.

He's out partying with Garçon, Hall, and Wale lol.

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This thing is all wrapped up. Probably agreed to terms but can't sign till tomorrow.

He's out partying with Garçon, Hall, and Wale lol.

Are those his gang buddies?

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RumfordJohnny ‏@RumfordJohnny 8m

Agree with @evansilva's take on DJax: If he lands in WAS, he helps Garçon/Reed, not himself. Numbers will drop. #fantasyfootball

I don't see it helping Garcon's numbers. He had more catches than the next four Redskins WR's combined.

Griffin should be helped quite a bit - Garcon, DJax, Roberts and Reed, that's a much better top 4. That's a better top 4 than most teams all of a sudden (if it happens).

Exactly.

WAS could go from one of the weakest WR position groups in 2013 to a very strong one in 2014 (plus Reed, as noted).

This makes sense on a few levels. WAS is one of two teams without a first round selection, adding Jackson would be like getting a first round WR talent and not having to use a pick (interestingly, IND, the other team, added Hakeem Nicks), and could use it on OL or defense.

The NFC East has some weak secondaries in PHI, DAL and NYG (and WAS last year, when Jackson was in PHI), RGIII could be poised for a big rebound.

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Putting aside the WR corps (which would be huge for him), RG3 has generally gotten a bad rap as a passer that he shouldn't have.

The knee screwed everything up. His base was all wonky all season and his footwork was a mess, as well as tentative. Add that to the lack of an offseason and you've got the makings of a very misunderstood season. His rookie year he proved he could make every throw a great QB needs to make, and above all he was damn accurate. It was obvious what was wrong this past year.

Edited by ConnSKINS26

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Garcon gets a bump too, especially in PPR.

Uhhh... no. With another legit WR in DC he's not going to lead the NFL in targets again. And there's no way he catches more balls than he did last year. If anything he breaks even in standard with more room to work, and takes a PPR hit.

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Garcon gets a bump too, especially in PPR.

Uhhh... no. With another legit WR in DC he's not going to lead the NFL in targets again. And there's no way he catches more balls than he did last year. If anything he breaks even in standard with more room to work, and takes a PPR hit.
Agreed. I took some flack last year for saying Garçon wasn't really a WR in NFL terms and that he was a product of circumstance. Seems that is going to change pretty drastically. No way he touches the number of targets from last year IMO.

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Less targets and catches for Garcon but a TD increase could easily make up for the difference. The offense should have a LOT less short drives, punts, and turnovers this year if RG3 is healthy. I see a lot more scoring opportunities for the offense this year, and Garcon is the #1 target.

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Less targets and catches for Garcon but a TD increase could easily make up for the difference. The offense should have a LOT less short drives, punts, and turnovers this year if RG3 is healthy. I see a lot more scoring opportunities for the offense this year, and Garcon is the #1 target.

You are assuming a TD increase is easy to do and he is not a red zone guarantee. If he only had 5 scores on 113 catches I"m not putting him a lock to do much better, 7-8 tops. Have to say after your posts talking about Garcon in the thread you started and this it looks like you are trying to convince yourself.

Too be honest Garcon and DeSean should both see a decrease in production slightly. I still love Garcon but his peak in value has passed us by. DeSeans value is a little less then it was with the Eagles.

Edited by False Start

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The Jets passed, they have Decker and Kerley but that's not nearly enough to compete, plus they have Vick.

Publically, at least, the Jets are passing based on what they think Jackson's contract demands will be. Idzik is very conservative in his approach to free agency.

It's been reported that OC Marty Morningweig, who was the Eagles' OC for many years, was on board with brininging Jackson on board.

Edited by Dr. Octopus

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Nobody is going to Cleveland on purpose.

Was going to say the same for the Jets. No one wants anything to do with these trainwrecks. I would throw the Raiders in there as well.

Jets are a trainwreck? 8-8 last season, two seasons removed from back to back AFC Championship games, a coah players love playing for, the #1 market in the country, many beautiful places to live in NYC, NY state and New Jersey.

I guess they did trade for Tim Tebow two offseasons ago though.

Surely, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Less targets and catches for Garcon but a TD increase could easily make up for the difference. The offense should have a LOT less short drives, punts, and turnovers this year if RG3 is healthy. I see a lot more scoring opportunities for the offense this year, and Garcon is the #1 target.

Have to say after your posts talking about Garcon in the thread you started and this it looks like you are trying to convince yourself.

If you read that thread, I think I bring up several factors that COULD contribute to another great year for Garcon. Do you disagree with the fact that we have never seen a healthy RG3 and Garcon at the same time outside of 1 quarter? Absolutely Garcon will get less targets. Don't think anyone is debating that. But LOTS of teams in today's NFL passing league can have 2 VERY productive WRs. Chicago had 2 top 8 scoring WRs last year in PPR leagues. Denver had 2 top 10 WR scorers. Atlanta had 2 top 10 scorers the year before when Julio was healthy. I think the Skins offense will be MUCH MUCH better with the addition of DeSean, hopefully a full 16 games from Reed, and a healthy RG3. Is it really that hard to believe Garcon and DeSean could both have enough catches, yards, and TDs to finish in the top 10? top 15?

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I welcome DeSean to DC if that's the case! And I'm betting our GM put specific language in the contract to protect the Skins if anything from this gang stuff does ever amount to anything.

Why would he do that? The gang stuff is a false assumption/media embellishment. :shrug:

Then it's an easy give for DeSean, right?

What better way to prove you have no gang affiliations than to agree to those terms knowing you have no gang affiliations.

This isn't a traffic stop where the officer asks to search your car. It's a multi-million dollar contract wherein they ask you to guarantee that you aren't doing exactly that which you publicly deny doing.

How would it look for Washington to ask for that and then have DeSean reiterate that he has no gang affiliations but also refuse to include it? DeSean wants to go public making that condition the dealbreaker?

On the other hand, I doubt Snyder really cares one way or the other. He's probably fine hiring on DeSean even if he knows DeSean has gang affiliations. He'll always give talent a chance, and DeSean does have talent.

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I don't see any reason it would be a problem for Wash to have language in the contract that he's not in legal trouble or whatever.

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