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The Trent Richardson Thread (2 Viewers)
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Wow. We've gone from saying he needs time to learn the playbook to now he sucks because he's had to organize U-Haul trucks and set up new internet service in Indianapolis.
Seriously?
Seriously?
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
It really is silly. They lies people tell themselves."Stupid Comcast! Their cable guy cost me a win last week! Stop distracting Richardson!"
Papa John's
Footballguy
werdnoynek
Footballguy
From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
"We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
thehornet
Footballguy
or maybe they really do want to use him in more creative ways. I am by no means making excuses for his current lack of production but I think the play calling around his usage could be better. last year in clev he caught over 50 balls so it's worth looking into a little bit."We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
"We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Worst thing is Trent looks so slow out there in comparison to Donald Brown to the point it's comical. Of course you don't want to admit that 6-7 weeks after giving a 1st round pick.
Odd every other back has found room to run for Indy this year....but Trent.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Odd that the coaching staff is questioning itself regarding the situations they're putting him into as well... coincidence?"We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Worst thing is Trent looks so slow out there in comparison to Donald Brown to the point it's comical. Of course you don't want to admit that 6-7 weeks after giving a 1st round pick.
Odd every other back has found room to run for Indy this year....but Trent.
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
Its a step in the right direction.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Not really. I don't expect them to outright say Trent looks like he's running in mud compared to Donald after management gave up a 1st.Odd that the coaching staff is questioning itself regarding the situations they're putting him into as well... coincidence?"We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Worst thing is Trent looks so slow out there in comparison to Donald Brown to the point it's comical. Of course you don't want to admit that 6-7 weeks after giving a 1st round pick.
Odd every other back has found room to run for Indy this year....but Trent.
Trent simply hasn't shown any burst whatsoever this season. They can throw out all the coachspeak they want to such as 'getting our [sluggish] power running back in space'. If Trent is going to succeed long term, he's going to do it between the tackles. That's who is he. That's who he'll always be. That's what made him the high pick he was. He isn't a back that's going to make you miss in the open field. If they wanted to put a back in space, they should done it with Donald Brown & signed McGahee as a tackles back off the street.
This week in Houston is going to be telling. WIth a beat up WR group and going against a defense that is #1 in the league vs. the pass and 5th worst YPG against the run. The game plan is obviously going to be to pound the ball.
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
I find it convenient that you (among others) are ignoring the most important part of what Hamilton said in the quotes... I agree the space comment is pretty ridiculous, but finding ways to make the blocking better and open up more holes for Richardson and schemes that fit him? Thats what we should be looking at here. This bye was the first time since he was traded mid week that they probably had a chance to sit down and analyze the situation and look at resolutions instead of just pounding the game plan each week. Myself and others felt there was more to it than just Richardson... I think now we're going to get an opportunity to see if that's true.Not really. I don't expect them to outright say Trent looks like he's running in mud compared to Donald after management gave up a 1st.Odd that the coaching staff is questioning itself regarding the situations they're putting him into as well... coincidence?"We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Worst thing is Trent looks so slow out there in comparison to Donald Brown to the point it's comical. Of course you don't want to admit that 6-7 weeks after giving a 1st round pick.
Odd every other back has found room to run for Indy this year....but Trent.
Trent simply hasn't shown any burst whatsoever this season. They can throw out all the coachspeak they want to such as 'getting our [sluggish] power running back in space'. If Trent is going to succeed long term, he's going to do it between the tackles. That's who is he. That's who he'll always be. That's what made him the high pick he was. He isn't a back that's going to make you miss in the open field. If they wanted to put a back in space, they should done it with Donald Brown & signed McGahee as a tackles back off the street.
This week in Houston is going to be telling. WIth a beat up WR group and going against a defense that is #1 in the league vs. the pass and 5th worst YPG against the run. The game plan is obviously going to be to pound the ball.
I also find it odd that people are so quick to dismiss his body of work at Alambama and the fact he was one of the top prospects in the past few years at the RB position, just because he hasn't had a YPC over 3.5 in his first season and a half in the NFL.
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3nOut
Footballguy
What's this world coming to? I am in agreement with a cheesehead. And in BEARS/packers week yet!
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
if you're going to the game Monday, you can tailgate with us! I'll give you a beer, a brat, and some cheese curds! And maybe a hug after you lose.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I'm more than certain that finding ways to "block better" and "open up more holes" is part of weekly game planning. This is just more excuse making. The idea that they traded a 1st round pick for a player and then just stuck him in a default offense and were like "we'll deal with how to use him during the bye week!" is silly. He's a power runner, they've run power plays with him. They haven't been successful, in large part because they don't have a power running line. That's not a problem that a bye week is going to fix.I find it convenient that you (among others) are ignoring the most important part of what Hamilton said in the quotes... I agree the space comment is pretty ridiculous, but finding ways to make the blocking better and open up more holes for Richardson and schemes that fit him? Thats what we should be looking at here. This bye was the first time since he was traded mid week that they probably had a chance to sit down and analyze the situation and look at resolutions instead of just pounding the game plan each week. Myself and others felt there was more to it than just Richardson... I think now we're going to get an opportunity to see if that's true.Not really. I don't expect them to outright say Trent looks like he's running in mud compared to Donald after management gave up a 1st.Odd that the coaching staff is questioning itself regarding the situations they're putting him into as well... coincidence?"We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Worst thing is Trent looks so slow out there in comparison to Donald Brown to the point it's comical. Of course you don't want to admit that 6-7 weeks after giving a 1st round pick.
Odd every other back has found room to run for Indy this year....but Trent.
Trent simply hasn't shown any burst whatsoever this season. They can throw out all the coachspeak they want to such as 'getting our [sluggish] power running back in space'. If Trent is going to succeed long term, he's going to do it between the tackles. That's who is he. That's who he'll always be. That's what made him the high pick he was. He isn't a back that's going to make you miss in the open field. If they wanted to put a back in space, they should done it with Donald Brown & signed McGahee as a tackles back off the street.
This week in Houston is going to be telling. WIth a beat up WR group and going against a defense that is #1 in the league vs. the pass and 5th worst YPG against the run. The game plan is obviously going to be to pound the ball.
I also find it odd that people are so quick to dismiss his body of work at Alambama and the fact he was one of the top prospects in the past few years at the RB position, just because he hasn't had a YPC over 3.5 in his first season and a half in the NFL.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
There isn't a whole lot of time during the week to look at the line and try to make any drastic changes - they need to plan for the game ahead. I think there is time in a bye to do that and really analyze, address issues, and make changes. A bye week would give them an opportunity to look at the personnel and attempt to make changes that would make that personnel more successful IMO.I'm more than certain that finding ways to "block better" and "open up more holes" is part of weekly game planning. This is just more excuse making. The idea that they traded a 1st round pick for a player and then just stuck him in a default offense and were like "we'll deal with how to use him during the bye week!" is silly. He's a power runner, they've run power plays with him. They haven't been successful, in large part because they don't have a power running line. That's not a problem that a bye week is going to fix.I find it convenient that you (among others) are ignoring the most important part of what Hamilton said in the quotes... I agree the space comment is pretty ridiculous, but finding ways to make the blocking better and open up more holes for Richardson and schemes that fit him? Thats what we should be looking at here. This bye was the first time since he was traded mid week that they probably had a chance to sit down and analyze the situation and look at resolutions instead of just pounding the game plan each week. Myself and others felt there was more to it than just Richardson... I think now we're going to get an opportunity to see if that's true.Not really. I don't expect them to outright say Trent looks like he's running in mud compared to Donald after management gave up a 1st.Odd that the coaching staff is questioning itself regarding the situations they're putting him into as well... coincidence?"We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Worst thing is Trent looks so slow out there in comparison to Donald Brown to the point it's comical. Of course you don't want to admit that 6-7 weeks after giving a 1st round pick.
Odd every other back has found room to run for Indy this year....but Trent.
Trent simply hasn't shown any burst whatsoever this season. They can throw out all the coachspeak they want to such as 'getting our [sluggish] power running back in space'. If Trent is going to succeed long term, he's going to do it between the tackles. That's who is he. That's who he'll always be. That's what made him the high pick he was. He isn't a back that's going to make you miss in the open field. If they wanted to put a back in space, they should done it with Donald Brown & signed McGahee as a tackles back off the street.
This week in Houston is going to be telling. WIth a beat up WR group and going against a defense that is #1 in the league vs. the pass and 5th worst YPG against the run. The game plan is obviously going to be to pound the ball.
I also find it odd that people are so quick to dismiss his body of work at Alambama and the fact he was one of the top prospects in the past few years at the RB position, just because he hasn't had a YPC over 3.5 in his first season and a half in the NFL.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Okay, so at this point we're hanging our hat on a "drastic" personnel change that is going to significantly change ho the Colts offensive line blocks in such a way that will unlock the huge potential that Trent Richardson has, which is only a right guard benching away.There isn't a whole lot of time during the week to look at the line and try to make any drastic changes - they need to plan for the game ahead. I think there is time in a bye to do that and really analyze, address issues, and make changes. A bye week would give them an opportunity to look at the personnel and attempt to make changes that would make that personnel more successful IMO.I'm more than certain that finding ways to "block better" and "open up more holes" is part of weekly game planning. This is just more excuse making. The idea that they traded a 1st round pick for a player and then just stuck him in a default offense and were like "we'll deal with how to use him during the bye week!" is silly. He's a power runner, they've run power plays with him. They haven't been successful, in large part because they don't have a power running line. That's not a problem that a bye week is going to fix.I find it convenient that you (among others) are ignoring the most important part of what Hamilton said in the quotes... I agree the space comment is pretty ridiculous, but finding ways to make the blocking better and open up more holes for Richardson and schemes that fit him? Thats what we should be looking at here. This bye was the first time since he was traded mid week that they probably had a chance to sit down and analyze the situation and look at resolutions instead of just pounding the game plan each week. Myself and others felt there was more to it than just Richardson... I think now we're going to get an opportunity to see if that's true.Not really. I don't expect them to outright say Trent looks like he's running in mud compared to Donald after management gave up a 1st.Odd that the coaching staff is questioning itself regarding the situations they're putting him into as well... coincidence?"We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Worst thing is Trent looks so slow out there in comparison to Donald Brown to the point it's comical. Of course you don't want to admit that 6-7 weeks after giving a 1st round pick.
Odd every other back has found room to run for Indy this year....but Trent.
Trent simply hasn't shown any burst whatsoever this season. They can throw out all the coachspeak they want to such as 'getting our [sluggish] power running back in space'. If Trent is going to succeed long term, he's going to do it between the tackles. That's who is he. That's who he'll always be. That's what made him the high pick he was. He isn't a back that's going to make you miss in the open field. If they wanted to put a back in space, they should done it with Donald Brown & signed McGahee as a tackles back off the street.
This week in Houston is going to be telling. WIth a beat up WR group and going against a defense that is #1 in the league vs. the pass and 5th worst YPG against the run. The game plan is obviously going to be to pound the ball.
I also find it odd that people are so quick to dismiss his body of work at Alambama and the fact he was one of the top prospects in the past few years at the RB position, just because he hasn't had a YPC over 3.5 in his first season and a half in the NFL.
Gooooooooood luck.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
According to the quote from Hamilton, they're going to try and scheme to make the line more successful as well as Richardson. IMO, it's going to take something drastic... I'm not saying it's going to happen, but it appears that's what they would like to do.Okay, so at this point we're hanging our hat on a "drastic" personnel change that is going to significantly change ho the Colts offensive line blocks in such a way that will unlock the huge potential that Trent Richardson has, which is only a right guard benching away.There isn't a whole lot of time during the week to look at the line and try to make any drastic changes - they need to plan for the game ahead. I think there is time in a bye to do that and really analyze, address issues, and make changes. A bye week would give them an opportunity to look at the personnel and attempt to make changes that would make that personnel more successful IMO.I'm more than certain that finding ways to "block better" and "open up more holes" is part of weekly game planning. This is just more excuse making. The idea that they traded a 1st round pick for a player and then just stuck him in a default offense and were like "we'll deal with how to use him during the bye week!" is silly. He's a power runner, they've run power plays with him. They haven't been successful, in large part because they don't have a power running line. That's not a problem that a bye week is going to fix.I find it convenient that you (among others) are ignoring the most important part of what Hamilton said in the quotes... I agree the space comment is pretty ridiculous, but finding ways to make the blocking better and open up more holes for Richardson and schemes that fit him? Thats what we should be looking at here. This bye was the first time since he was traded mid week that they probably had a chance to sit down and analyze the situation and look at resolutions instead of just pounding the game plan each week. Myself and others felt there was more to it than just Richardson... I think now we're going to get an opportunity to see if that's true.Not really. I don't expect them to outright say Trent looks like he's running in mud compared to Donald after management gave up a 1st.Odd that the coaching staff is questioning itself regarding the situations they're putting him into as well... coincidence?"We need to get this guy out in space" is such a great BS line about underperforming offensive players. "This guy will succeed if we can just make it so that there aren't any people close to him that might tackle him!"From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/1764/oc-hamilton-has-hands-full-minus-wayne
Quoting Pep Hamilton:
Worst thing is Trent looks so slow out there in comparison to Donald Brown to the point it's comical. Of course you don't want to admit that 6-7 weeks after giving a 1st round pick.
Odd every other back has found room to run for Indy this year....but Trent.
Trent simply hasn't shown any burst whatsoever this season. They can throw out all the coachspeak they want to such as 'getting our [sluggish] power running back in space'. If Trent is going to succeed long term, he's going to do it between the tackles. That's who is he. That's who he'll always be. That's what made him the high pick he was. He isn't a back that's going to make you miss in the open field. If they wanted to put a back in space, they should done it with Donald Brown & signed McGahee as a tackles back off the street.
This week in Houston is going to be telling. WIth a beat up WR group and going against a defense that is #1 in the league vs. the pass and 5th worst YPG against the run. The game plan is obviously going to be to pound the ball.
I also find it odd that people are so quick to dismiss his body of work at Alambama and the fact he was one of the top prospects in the past few years at the RB position, just because he hasn't had a YPC over 3.5 in his first season and a half in the NFL.
Gooooooooood luck.
3nOut
Footballguy
Ha, you had me until the hug part. Thanks for the offer, for a cheddar head you're OK!
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
werdnoynek
Footballguy
I'd hope quite a bit. Because if they're somewhat intelligent and can look beyond YPC, it's the truth and they should be saying it.
cstu
Footballguy
Here's the list of RB's with 400 or more carries in their first two years and less than 4 YPC.
Code:
1 Eddie George rb 1996--1997 32 692 2767 4.00 14 30 226 7.53 1 389.32 Marcel Shipp rb 2002--2003 31 416 1664 4.00 6 68 597 8.78 3 280.13 Julius Jones rb 2004--2005 21 454 1812 3.99 12 52 327 6.29 0 285.94 Antowain Smith rb 1997--1998 32 494 1964 3.98 16 33 188 5.70 0 311.25 Natrone Means rb 1993--1994 32 503 1995 3.97 20 49 294 6.00 0 348.96 Marshall Faulk rb 1994--1995 32 603 2360 3.91 22 108 997 9.23 4 491.77 Willis McGahee rb 2004--2005 32 609 2375 3.90 18 50 347 6.94 0 380.28 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2002 26 492 1904 3.87 13 46 341 7.41 0 302.59 Curtis Martin rb 1995--1996 32 684 2639 3.86 28 76 594 7.82 4 515.310 Cadill Williams rb 2005--2006 28 515 1976 3.84 7 50 277 5.54 0 267.311 Kevin Smith rb 2008--2009 29 455 1723 3.79 12 79 695 8.80 1 319.812 Matt Forte rb 2008--2009 32 574 2167 3.78 12 120 948 7.90 4 407.513 Ricky Williams rb 1999--2000 22 501 1884 3.76 10 72 581 8.07 1 312.514 Ron Johnson rb 1969--1970 28 401 1499 3.74 15 72 651 9.04 4 329.015 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 54 466 8.63 2 271.816 John Stephens rb 1988--1989 30 541 2001 3.70 11 35 305 8.71 0 296.617 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 41 482 11.76 1 301.318 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 11 68 6.18 1 270.619 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 36 229 6.36 0 352.720 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 11 78 7.09 0 225.821 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 14 100 7.14 1 251.022 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 18 215 11.94 1 260.523 Karim Ab-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 52 400 7.69 1 402.824 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 51 360 7.06 2 207.3
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cstu
Footballguy
For Trent to get his career YPC up to Ricky Williams (the lowest for a long-term successful back on the list) he has to average nearly 5 YPC the rest of the season.
If he averages 4 YPC the rest of way it puts him at 4th worst on the list. At 4.5 YPC it puts him at 8th worst.
In other words, if he turns his career around it will be the biggest turnaround by a RB given a heavy load to start their career in NFL history.
If he averages 4 YPC the rest of way it puts him at 4th worst on the list. At 4.5 YPC it puts him at 8th worst.
In other words, if he turns his career around it will be the biggest turnaround by a RB given a heavy load to start their career in NFL history.
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
werdnoynek
Footballguy
No, not solely intelligence. You may have missed the "and" part.
Try again buddy - you'll get there, just sound out those tough words. Take your time.
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
The only reason this guy is starting is because the Colts gave up a first round pick for him.
Right now Donald Brown is clearly the better option for this offense. He is running better but more importantly he is blocking better. One of the sacks in the first half was clearly a missed assignment by TRich.
The offense as a whole functions better with Brown at RB.
Right now Donald Brown is clearly the better option for this offense. He is running better but more importantly he is blocking better. One of the sacks in the first half was clearly a missed assignment by TRich.
The offense as a whole functions better with Brown at RB.
thehornet
Footballguy
agreed. trich hurts them in more ways besides the poor rushing. i want to see him click, but it's looking grim these days.
EBF
Footballguy
Colts are gonna struggle to score points all season. Didn't have the depth to survive the Dwayne Allen and Reggie Wayne losses.
I see this team limping into the playoffs and getting eliminated immediately.
Time to look ahead to 2014 if you've got Richardson. Very little chance he blows up this season IMO.
I see this team limping into the playoffs and getting eliminated immediately.
Time to look ahead to 2014 if you've got Richardson. Very little chance he blows up this season IMO.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Hey - so can you point out the significant personnel and scheme changes that the Colts implemented over the bye week to enable Richardson's greatness to emerge?
Kilgore
Footballguy
Trent is "playing", in the sense that a guy masturbating to porn is playing: he's clearing DOING something, but he is not really involved in the main action.
Dizzy
Footballguy
McGarnicle
Footballguy
What a ####### worthless piece of ####. I'm dumping him for a spare kicker just so I don't have to look at his name on my roster anymore. Eat a #### Trent.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Good trade by the Browns. They let him go because he is nothing special, lucky to get a first from him. The Browns aren't trading Gordon because they think he's something special. My question is what did the Colts see in Richardson to lead them to believe he was the real deal?
Todem
Footballguy
Is anyone involved on the Colts tonight.
They look atrocious.
As expected......without Wayne this team is in huge trouble.
And T.Rich.......useless to me....just useless.
Monster bust this year.....monster.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
He sucks hard.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
When the Colts are up by 7 TDs and they need a fat plodding RB, he'll get plenty of work.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Trent Dayne.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
What a bonehead play by Richardson.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Someone tell Michaels you have to go for 2 at some point and make it. I tend to lean towards waiting myself but it's not some big break that they attempted it now, Richardson should have let Luck know he was wide open.
