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The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
We've gone from "Richardon's numbers are worse than Brown's because he only gets carries when the D knows the Colts are running" to "Richardon's numbers are worse than Brown's because Brown gets to run in run-heavy, 3 TE formations, and thus has more blocking than Richardson does."
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Chad Parsons has Trent Richardson ahead of Jamal Charles. Updated 12/4.
Shanahanigans
Footballguy
Parsons usually has the most ridiculous rankings.PatsWillWin said:
squistion
Footballguy
az_prof
Footballguy
I can't imagine Richardson being higher than RB30. I would put him in the JStew, Chris Ivory, Joique Bell tier. I own Ben Tate and and would NOT trade him for Richardson. I would not trade a first round rookie pick for him. Best I would offer is a mid-round second round pick.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Yeah...a few that are definitely against the grain in there:
Gio @ 1 seems a bit high
Bell @ 3 does as well
Miller @ 10? Ok, now he's TRYING to reach.
Christine Michael @ 8?!?!?! That's some Jim Jones stuff right there...
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I'm keeping him. He's gonna splode next year.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Clutch playoff fumble there. You can't get production like that for anything less than a 1st-round pick.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Absolutely amazing how utterly worthless he has become
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
wouldnt totally shock me if they cut him. owed over 2 million next season and not even worth that. plus the addition by subtraction aspect. his carries are wasted touches.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
How about just saying I would at a minimum take the 32 starting RBs in the nfl over him. I'm sure there's about 15 backups at least that I would throw onto the list.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Richardson's play already does that. Sometimes it's better to cut bait and take the hits. Better to get ripped in the media than to turn it over in a playoff game.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The problem for the Colts is it seems like Irsay is basically the one that made the deal and he has a HUGE ego. Going to be hard for him to admit such a gigantic mistake.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
He put himself in the mess not just with the trade but with all the Twitter activity he engaged in about it. It's a tough spot to be in but is his goal a winning team or good press?
EBF
Footballguy
I haven't looked at the FBG dynasty rankings since the offseason, but back then I thought he was one of the only guys on the staff willing to take chances and stick his neck out for unproven players. Most of the rankings are basically "current production sorted by age." Those are pretty useless because by the time a player has achieved enough to be ranked high by that type of mindset, the window for buying him has probably already closed. Consider where most FBG staffers would've had Josh Gordon or Alshon Jeffery in the offseason vs. where they'd have those players now. Ranking players conservatively and then bumping them up only after any and all semblance of risk is gone doesn't really do your readers any good. I have a lot more respect for the people who were talking up guys like Jeffery and Gordon in the offseason than the guys who wait for things to happen and then adjust their rankings after the fact.
I appreciate it when people actually attempt to look forward and make predictions for what hasn't happened yet. Maybe his rankings are guilty of overrating every flashy young prospect with a pulse, but at least he's trying to provide actionable information instead of just taking the obvious route.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Unstoppable!!!
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
Donald brown is even a better fumbler
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Even if he gets lucky and somehow becomes an average RB, he'll have to fight off Randall Cobb and Doug Martin, who actually are talented and good at football.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I'm thinking the Colts are happy with where they are. Richardson is the answer as defenses key in on stopping him and not focusing on Luck.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Wat?
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Gandalf
Footballguy
Wait. What?
I've been thinking this the entire year. Richardson's rookie year was actually pretty good. He gets traded mid season to a team and has new playbook etc. I have no idea why he looked so out of it but maybe - like MJD recently acknowledged - Trich needs a full preseason with a team to feel comfortable. I have no idea what is going on but I do believe he's a talented RB on a good offense. Heck even Mark Ingram is starting to be talked about having fantasy relevance. Richardson has burned so many people I think he - or CJ Spiller - will be great value next season. I could be wrong but with his ADP going down the drain, I bet that won't be the end of the world. Unlike this year when it was a disaster because he likely was a first or high second round pick.
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I am glad l don't have to be drawn to this thread anymore. I felt reading it was my penance for taking with with the 10th pick in two different leagues.
I have two things to add:
500 yards of offense and he has zero of them.
He is much closer to being out of the league than he is to having NFL relevance.
I have two things to add:
500 yards of offense and he has zero of them.
He is much closer to being out of the league than he is to having NFL relevance.
Gandalf
Footballguy
This is exactly why he is a great buy low candidate. What do you lose if you are wrong? I'm also thinking dynasty here not redraft. But I do think next year will be very different if he stays healthy.
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
I have barely read this thread but didn't most of us think Richardson was a bona fide star in the making after last year? I thought the guy by now would be such a force in that offense. So what went wrong? Is he just not as talented as we thought, is it the playbook issue, the system?
Danish Bengal
Footballguy
What do people think Trents value is in term of rookie picks? It is only three months since Indy paid a 1st for him. I refuse to believe that he is as bad as it seems and that they don't have a plan with him. I could see myself going after him this off-season. What do you think he's worth?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
People started with questions as far back as January 2011:
After the 2011 Kent State game:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=579927&hl=trent
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=608549&hl=trent
There are several threads on him and it's interesting to look back in time when observations were somewhat more objective.
One thing that comes through again and again are the observations about lack of vision, which I think means instinctively hitting the holes where the defenders ain't.
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I am fairly sure that MK is just focused on speaking sarcastically these days. Cause that is clearly what that statement was.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
DAMAC3
Footballguy
Disclosure - I'm a TRich dynasty owner and Colts season ticket holder.
Donald Brown has been fantastic for the Colts this year. His vision, speed, and tackle-breaking ability have been unbelievable compared to his first three years (which were aweful). If his game can turn around like that, I don't see why Richardson can't become the player we expect him to be. I see a tremendous amount of hesitation and indecision in Richardson that people have translated to "slow." He has been a big disappointment this year, but he actually has looked better in his decisiveness the last few games. Last night he hardly played after the fumble, but I expect big improvements next season. The run blocking can't get worse than it has been this year. The big obstacle for Richardson having a good fantasy year next year is Brown. I don't see how the Colts let Brown go. I think the Colts will keep both, and they will hamper each other's fantasy upside. But I do think the talent is there for both players. And the offense they play in is only going to get better. I would still be buying Richardson if you can get him for the prices mentioned recently in this thread.
Donald Brown has been fantastic for the Colts this year. His vision, speed, and tackle-breaking ability have been unbelievable compared to his first three years (which were aweful). If his game can turn around like that, I don't see why Richardson can't become the player we expect him to be. I see a tremendous amount of hesitation and indecision in Richardson that people have translated to "slow." He has been a big disappointment this year, but he actually has looked better in his decisiveness the last few games. Last night he hardly played after the fumble, but I expect big improvements next season. The run blocking can't get worse than it has been this year. The big obstacle for Richardson having a good fantasy year next year is Brown. I don't see how the Colts let Brown go. I think the Colts will keep both, and they will hamper each other's fantasy upside. But I do think the talent is there for both players. And the offense they play in is only going to get better. I would still be buying Richardson if you can get him for the prices mentioned recently in this thread.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
It'll be an interesting year. People might not agree, but Richardson could be battling Ballard for the backup job.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That fumble was unbelievable.
Just terrible, not a big hit or anything, he more or less lost it while switching hands. He just seemed to be stumbling around on the field. Playoff game, trying to work his way back into favor, and not only does he fumble but he just looks awful in doing it.
I don't think they took him out just because of ball security concerns. There's a trust issue, maybe his head is not in the game (and not just that game vs KC, but the game).
Something is up with this guy. He has talent issues (vision) and size questions (weight, shiftiness), but he has bigger problems upstairs maybe.
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habsfan
Footballguy
It's a vague comment but I completely agree. Bad plays/decisions look even worse in slow mo but from a vision perspective, did he really think he was going to cut that run back for significant additional yardage? Sometimes you just have to put your head down, take what's there and get back to the huddle...
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Colts trade their 1st round pick and are still in the playoffs with a better than average shot at moving forward. Many teams would trade their first to be where the Colts are right now. Richardson helped them get here and he will help them to a Super Bowl win this year. That is worth a first round pick.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
No doubt. The colts don't really play well until they are down by 20. If they gave Richardson the ball early, they could get down quicker. Than they have more time to catch up. It's a team game, everybody has to play their role.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
False Start
Footballguy
While I do not like going around laughing at people it seems Mario Kart is well deserving here of being laughed at for his delusional opinion. Trent in no way helped the Colts this year and is not worth a 1st round pick, what has proven that? This past season. Trent has not been able to overcome Donald Brown when even Bradshaw and Ballard already easily beat Brown out.
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