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Let's just stop trying to make excuses for the guy in 2013 and keep it on 2014. He got in a full pre-season, so he was healthy/physically ready to start the season.

After so much back and forth arguing semantics, meaningless stat manipulations, false premises, schtick, and occasionally some real analysis, this is where we all should be.

Anyone trying to say anything other than Trent was terrible last season (no matter how many excuses you want to offer) is being delusional, just as anyone saying he has no chance to bounce back and display the talent that had pundits calling him the best prospect since Peterson is being short sighted.

He'll be one of the more interesting players to assess heading into 2014 - he could either be a difference maker or see himself on waiver wires by midseason (in redraft leagues at least) - there's likely not much middle ground.

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He'll be one of the more interesting players to assess heading into 2014 - he could either be a difference maker or see himself on waiver wires by midseason (in redraft leagues at least) - there's likely not much middle ground.

I actually see the "middle ground" as his most likely 2014 outcome. I'm reasonably sure he's not going to suddenly transform into a dynamic play maker racking up a ton of yardage. But the Colts made a sizable investment in him, so I'm also reasonably sure that he's going to get some volume as both a runner and receiver, and probably at the goal line. With some improvements at WR and on the line, he can be a compiler type meh RB2 IMO.

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He'll be one of the more interesting players to assess heading into 2014 - he could either be a difference maker or see himself on waiver wires by midseason (in redraft leagues at least) - there's likely not much middle ground.

I actually see the "middle ground" as his most likely 2014 outcome. I'm reasonably sure he's not going to suddenly transform into a dynamic play maker racking up a ton of yardage. But the Colts made a sizable investment in him, so I'm also reasonably sure that he's going to get some volume as both a runner and receiver, and probably at the goal line. With some improvements at WR and on the line, he can be a compiler type meh RB2 IMO.

I guess what I meant was since he'll be given every shot to grab the feature back role, if he fails to do so he'll likely have truly proven to be a bust. Thus he'll either be a value play or practically useless.

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So is Richardson's best case a Mendehhall type season then? Compiler of some stats due to opportunity but not much more?

I can't wait for the player spotlight thread on this guy!

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Let's just stop trying to make excuses for the guy in 2013 and keep it on 2014. He got in a full pre-season, so he was healthy/physically ready to start the season.

After so much back and forth arguing semantics, meaningless stat manipulations, false premises, schtick, and occasionally some real analysis, this is where we all should be.

Anyone trying to say anything other than Trent was terrible last season (no matter how many excuses you want to offer) is being delusional, just as anyone saying he has no chance to bounce back and display the talent that had pundits calling him the best prospect since Peterson is being short sighted.

He'll be one of the more interesting players to assess heading into 2014 - he could either be a difference maker or see himself on waiver wires by midseason (in redraft leagues at least) - there's likely not much middle ground.

Good posting, but I disagree with the last paragraph. He can easily end up as a #2 - #3 RB, in which case he would be neither a difference maker nor on waiver wires.

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So is Richardson's best case a Mendehhall type season then? Compiler of some stats due to opportunity but not much more?

I can't wait for the player spotlight thread on this guy!

Not sure if you're disagreeing here, but if so, why? He had a very Mendenhall-esque rookie season as a mediocre compiler (which made him a good FF play) followed by a 2nd season where he pretty much was the single worst RB in the NFL. In NFL terms, IMO it's pretty safe to call him an outright bust, relative to expectations and his original draft slot, considering his NFL teams have gotten more production / touch out of a cast of characters like Montario Hardesty, Brandon Jackson, Chris Ogbannaya, Vick Ballard, old Ahmad Bradshaw, and Donald Brown. Dynasty FF-wise, at this point I'm comfortable saying that the people who invested 1.01 startup value are taking a huge loss. But that doesn't mean he can't be useful. He can catch the ball and punch in short TDs, and his pedigree should buy him some volume for a few years at least, assuming he can bounce back at least to his rookie level of mediocrity, which I think is possible / likely.

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So is Richardson's best case a Mendehhall type season then? Compiler of some stats due to opportunity but not much more?

I can't wait for the player spotlight thread on this guy!

Not sure if you're disagreeing here, but if so, why? He had a very Mendenhall-esque rookie season as a mediocre compiler (which made him a good FF play) followed by a 2nd season where he pretty much was the single worst RB in the NFL. In NFL terms, IMO it's pretty safe to call him an outright bust, relative to expectations and his original draft slot, considering his NFL teams have gotten more production / touch out of a cast of characters like Montario Hardesty, Brandon Jackson, Chris Ogbannaya, Vick Ballard, old Ahmad Bradshaw, and Donald Brown. Dynasty FF-wise, at this point I'm comfortable saying that the people who invested 1.01 startup value are taking a huge loss. But that doesn't mean he can't be useful. He can catch the ball and punch in short TDs, and his pedigree should buy him some volume for a few years at least, assuming he can bounce back at least to his rookie level of mediocrity, which I think is possible / likely.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. Just trying to place a tangible value to the expectations. I thought of Mendenhall because he seems to have had a similar viewpoint among fantasy owners given the discussion that's been going on. That's all.

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I really hope Trent bounces back and gives all 51 pages of haters sour looks on their faces all season. Getting beat by Trent owners. Call me delusional. Or call me genius for sticking with the underdog with the most upside. God bless

Well, it's definitely not genius.

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Let's just stop trying to make excuses for the guy in 2013 and keep it on 2014. He got in a full pre-season, so he was healthy/physically ready to start the season.

After so much back and forth arguing semantics, meaningless stat manipulations, false premises, schtick, and occasionally some real analysis, this is where we all should be.

Anyone trying to say anything other than Trent was terrible last season (no matter how many excuses you want to offer) is being delusional, just as anyone saying he has no chance to bounce back and display the talent that had pundits calling him the best prospect since Peterson is being short sighted.

He'll be one of the more interesting players to assess heading into 2014 - he could either be a difference maker or see himself on waiver wires by midseason (in redraft leagues at least) - there's likely not much middle ground.

Good posting, but I disagree with the last paragraph. He can easily end up as a #2 - #3 RB, in which case he would be neither a difference maker nor on waiver wires.

I could have phrased what I was trying to say better. By "difference maker" I just meant he'd outperform his ADP (in redraft) or be a good return on a "buy low" in dynasty if he holds onto the starting job for Indy - and I explained what I meant by the opposite end of the spectrum, above.

But, yes - he could end up being just a decent but unspectacular fantasy asset and thus reach a middle ground - so I withdraw that statement..

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I really hope Trent bounces back and gives all 51 pages of haters sour looks on their faces all season. Getting beat by Trent owners. Call me delusional. Or call me genius for sticking with the underdog with the most upside. God bless

Eh, you're sticking with your guy, and that's fine, but I don't really see much upside beyond what he did as a rookie in Cleveland. He's a plodder. He's not going to suddenly turn into a big play yardage machine. As far as upside, Richardson's is probably the lowest, or close to it, out of the RBs in his tier -- guys like Vereen, Ellington, Michael, even Foster and Ryan Matthews all have more upside than Richardson. They're probably riskier, too, for the most part, but in terms of absolute ceiling, it's higher on all of them simply because they're so much more dynamic with the football.

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Can we please stop saying he was traded halfway through the season. It was after 2 games or 1/4 of halfway through the season. He played only 3 less game for the Colts than he did in 1+ years with the Browns.

If this dead horse is going to get beat to death, I feel like we should stop fabricating things.

I agree that it wasn't "half-way through the season," but missing all of trainig camp and getting traded in-season, regardless if it's week 2 or week 12, is still a difficult thing. Everybody is expected to know the playbook before the end of preseason; once the regular season starts, practices are spent game plannig for next week's opponent and adding a few wrinkles. It's not like everyone goes back and works on learning the system.

Excellent point...one I think is being glossed over by far too many people.

It really isn't. There are far too many examples of RBs who got barely any reps in pre-season and were virtually ignored all year only to break out when called upon.

Again, Bradshaw missed all of pre-season and didn't have the advantage of being physically prepared in Browns camp, yet in the 2 games he had more than 7 carries (he only played 3), he had better rushing games than TRich had in all 18 total games with the Browns and Colts.

Let's just stop trying to make excuses for the guy in 2013 and keep it on 2014. He got in a full pre-season, so he was healthy/physically ready to start the season. He got in 18 games and still couldn't break 64 yards rushing and in only 1 game did he get to 4.0ypc and that was all he got, 4.0 ypc. In the easiest position to learn and come out of nowhere and with Luck as his QB, he still only once had even a mediocre game.

You keep going back to the number of reps in preseason well. Again, his reps came on a different team in a different system.

Please, give me some examples of all these players who swithced teams during the regular season...any time during the regular season....who broke out when they were called upon.

That whole offense looked like a stinking pile of poop for a number of weeks - from the time they lost Reggie against Denver until they finally benched DHB. Luck can't help DHB catch the ball; that guy would drop a hand-off.

Eric Dickerson 1987(traded after week 3), Bobby Rainey (signed off another team practice squad after week 7)just last year. Even Edwin Baker's (signed off another team's practice squad for last three games) stint last year was better than anything Richardson did.

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Can we please stop saying he was traded halfway through the season. It was after 2 games or 1/4 of halfway through the season. He played only 3 less game for the Colts than he did in 1+ years with the Browns.

If this dead horse is going to get beat to death, I feel like we should stop fabricating things.

I agree that it wasn't "half-way through the season," but missing all of trainig camp and getting traded in-season, regardless if it's week 2 or week 12, is still a difficult thing. Everybody is expected to know the playbook before the end of preseason; once the regular season starts, practices are spent game plannig for next week's opponent and adding a few wrinkles. It's not like everyone goes back and works on learning the system.

Excellent point...one I think is being glossed over by far too many people.

It really isn't. There are far too many examples of RBs who got barely any reps in pre-season and were virtually ignored all year only to break out when called upon.

Again, Bradshaw missed all of pre-season and didn't have the advantage of being physically prepared in Browns camp, yet in the 2 games he had more than 7 carries (he only played 3), he had better rushing games than TRich had in all 18 total games with the Browns and Colts.

Let's just stop trying to make excuses for the guy in 2013 and keep it on 2014. He got in a full pre-season, so he was healthy/physically ready to start the season. He got in 18 games and still couldn't break 64 yards rushing and in only 1 game did he get to 4.0ypc and that was all he got, 4.0 ypc. In the easiest position to learn and come out of nowhere and with Luck as his QB, he still only once had even a mediocre game.

You keep going back to the number of reps in preseason well. Again, his reps came on a different team in a different system.

Please, give me some examples of all these players who swithced teams during the regular season...any time during the regular season....who broke out when they were called upon.

That whole offense looked like a stinking pile of poop for a number of weeks - from the time they lost Reggie against Denver until they finally benched DHB. Luck can't help DHB catch the ball; that guy would drop a hand-off.

Eric Dickerson 1987(traded after week 3), Bobby Rainey (signed off another team practice squad after week 7)just last year. Even Edwin Baker's (signed off another team's practice squad for last three games) stint last year was better than anything Richardson did.

Any rookie who has ever played well after a lengthy holdout also.

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I'm going to place my investment (dirt cheap) on Bradshaw. He has proven to be a 3 down stud RB, has played through his foot injuries in the past and basically had a year off to help heal those feet. People freak out that he was always on the injury report and lack of practicing during the week but he still managed to deliver at a high level. The only concern for me is if he still has issues with his head/neck, but at the price he is at I will roll the dice.

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You keep going back to the number of reps in preseason well. Again, his reps came on a different team in a different system.

Please, give me some examples of all these players who swithced teams during the regular season...any time during the regular season....who broke out when they were called upon.

That whole offense looked like a stinking pile of poop for a number of weeks - from the time they lost Reggie against Denver until they finally benched DHB. Luck can't help DHB catch the ball; that guy would drop a hand-off.

Eric Dickerson 1987(traded after week 3), Bobby Rainey (signed off another team practice squad after week 7)just last year. Even Edwin Baker's (signed off another team's practice squad for last three games) stint last year was better than anything Richardson did.

TRich averaged 3.6 YPC as a roookie and is a plodder, but Rainey averages 3.9 YPC for 6 games and Baker averages 4.0 YPC for 3 games and those are breakout performances.

Interesting.

I'll give you Dickerson in 1987.

He's also in the Hall of Fame, one of the greatest players ever to play the game, and that happened 27 years ago. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find that Silas McGee of the Waukesha Whirligigs had a similar feat in 1923. I'm not sure that correlates well to today's game.

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The scariest part to me is that he looked more lost as the season went on... Look we were all just wrong. Richardson just isn't that good after all. Poor vision. It's the kiss of death for a RB and one of the hardest thing to scout because of the good offensive lines a lot of college guys have in front of them. If your vision is below average no amount of physical superiority will make up for it. If you can get RB2 prices for Trich, I would sell because I think after another poor season, this time next year, he will be virtually untradeable.

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You keep going back to the number of reps in preseason well. Again, his reps came on a different team in a different system.

Please, give me some examples of all these players who swithced teams during the regular season...any time during the regular season....who broke out when they were called upon.

That whole offense looked like a stinking pile of poop for a number of weeks - from the time they lost Reggie against Denver until they finally benched DHB. Luck can't help DHB catch the ball; that guy would drop a hand-off.

Eric Dickerson 1987(traded after week 3), Bobby Rainey (signed off another team practice squad after week 7)just last year. Even Edwin Baker's (signed off another team's practice squad for last three games) stint last year was better than anything Richardson did.

TRich averaged 3.6 YPC as a roookie and is a plodder, but Rainey averages 3.9 YPC for 6 games and Baker averages 4.0 YPC for 3 games and those are breakout performances.

Interesting.

I'll give you Dickerson in 1987.

He's also in the Hall of Fame, one of the greatest players ever to play the game, and that happened 27 years ago. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find that Silas McGee of the Waukesha Whirligigs had a similar feat in 1923. I'm not sure that correlates well to today's game.

You're missing the point. Rainey and Baker are scrubs, yet managed to outperform Richardson, by a lot, in similar circumstances and in worse offenses overall. Believing that Richardson can improve and bounce back is one thing; trying to make excuses for 2013 is another -- the guy was awful. It wasn't switching teams -- running is an instinctive skill. It wasn't the line -- the other RBs were good in Indy last year. Richardson, personally, was hot garbage. Full stop. What he'll do moving forward is open to interpretation; what he did last year is not.

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Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But I love how people bash on me because I feel like the dude still has a future. He is still young (my age), and has all the opportunity in the world to succeed. Only time will tell, not these opinionated forums lmao.

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The scariest part to me is that he looked more lost as the season went on... Look we were all just wrong. Richardson just isn't that good after all. Poor vision. It's the kiss of death for a RB and one of the hardest thing to scout because of the good offensive lines a lot of college guys have in front of them. If your vision is below average no amount of physical superiority will make up for it. If you can get RB2 prices for Trich, I would sell because I think after another poor season, this time next year, he will be virtually untradeable.

Poor vision? How did he put up the numbers in CLE with poor vision? I don't think vision is the issue.

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The scariest part to me is that he looked more lost as the season went on... Look we were all just wrong. Richardson just isn't that good after all. Poor vision. It's the kiss of death for a RB and one of the hardest thing to scout because of the good offensive lines a lot of college guys have in front of them. If your vision is below average no amount of physical superiority will make up for it. If you can get RB2 prices for Trich, I would sell because I think after another poor season, this time next year, he will be virtually untradeable.

Poor vision? How did he put up the numbers in CLE with poor vision? I don't think vision is the issue.

What "numbers"? He wasn't good in CLE either (just not as awful as in INDY so far).

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Cleveland traded him. There must be a reason as you do not take a hit on a 1.03 draft pick. He may get every chance to succeed but he has Bradshaw in back of him. The Colts will not give him a long lease. He needs to be a volume back to succeed. Luck has too many passing options for that to happen. I view Richardson as an average back who we will not hear much about during his career. With luck a low RB2, probably a three or a flex.

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Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But I love how people bash on me because I feel like the dude still has a future. He is still young (my age), and has all the opportunity in the world to succeed. Only time will tell, not these opinionated forums lmao.

Honestly I hope I am wrong. And at the same time, having seen a lot of Trich he does not look like the same player I saw at Alabama. He was consistently picking the wrong hole while in Indy. I think this was happening in Cleveland too I just thought it was due to injuries. He doesn't have many long runs. I think one over 20 yards.

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Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But I love how people bash on me because I feel like the dude still has a future. He is still young (my age), and has all the opportunity in the world to succeed. Only time will tell, not these opinionated forums lmao.

Honestly I hope I am wrong. And at the same time, having seen a lot of Trich he does not look like the same player I saw at Alabama. He was consistently picking the wrong hole while in Indy. I think this was happening in Cleveland too I just thought it was due to injuries. He doesn't have many long runs. I think one over 20 yards.

He didn't need to pick holes at Alabama. That line was absurd. He just built up a head of steam and ran where the play was designed to go -- HARD. He just can't create when things don't develop cleanly -- which is basically every play in the modern NFL. He'd have been fine in the 70s running hat-on-hat power out of the I.

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Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But I love how people bash on me because I feel like the dude still has a future. He is still young (my age), and has all the opportunity in the world to succeed. Only time will tell, not these opinionated forums lmao.

Honestly I hope I am wrong. And at the same time, having seen a lot of Trich he does not look like the same player I saw at Alabama. He was consistently picking the wrong hole while in Indy. I think this was happening in Cleveland too I just thought it was due to injuries. He doesn't have many long runs. I think one over 20 yards.

He didn't need to pick holes at Alabama. That line was absurd. He just built up a head of steam and ran where the play was designed to go -- HARD. He just can't create when things don't develop cleanly -- which is basically every play in the modern NFL. He'd have been fine in the 70s running hat-on-hat power out of the I.

I agree with everything you said, but would add that many of the the things he's lacking are things that can be taught and learned. You can't teach speed and power, those are things he has. He's missing vision and the ability to keep his momentum when making cuts and changing direction. He's 22 years old, he has a lot of years left in his window of peak athletic ability.

Recently we've seen several runners emerge a bit later in their careers. Look at Donald Brown last year for instance. This was a guy who was a total failure and then last year averaged 5.3 yards a carry and looked very competent running the ball. Anyway, my point is just that you are totally right about Alabama and their line, but maybe Richardson is like the the chick who is smoking hot from a young age and never needs to study hard, get smart, or even do a whole lot of work in bed. She can get by being dumb and just lay there like a dead fish, because she's hot and that's enough for a lot of guys. Richardson may never have needed to work on his vision while at Alabama because the line was so good, maybe that part of his development is coming now and we'll see serious improvement over the next year or two.

I said before I'm not a Richardson apologist, but I do believe the things he needs to improve are things that can be learned, and if fantasy owners take a gamble on him while his value is low, there could be a pretty good payoff. Lurker's crystal ball says there's 75% chance that Richardson becomes a solid RB2 in fantasy in 2014 and a 20% he becomes a RB1 by 2015.

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He probably won't be on any of my teams because I'll be viewing him as bye week plug-and-play and I'm sure many others will be drafting him as an RB2.

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The scariest part to me is that he looked more lost as the season went on... Look we were all just wrong. Richardson just isn't that good after all. Poor vision. It's the kiss of death for a RB and one of the hardest thing to scout because of the good offensive lines a lot of college guys have in front of them. If your vision is below average no amount of physical superiority will make up for it. If you can get RB2 prices for Trich, I would sell because I think after another poor season, this time next year, he will be virtually untradeable.

Am I the only who remembers how terrible Spiller vision was the first year. He had no patience and tried to bounce everything. Vision and patience can be learned. It's trust too, Chris Johnson used to show good vision but lost trust. Let's not pretend vision is just some innate quality that one either has or doesn't have. There is much that goes into it, if as you suggest Richardsen just has no sense of it all, we should know soon. For now though his lack of being able to show it only means that there is an issue, it does not mean that it is incorrect able.

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The scariest part to me is that he looked more lost as the season went on... Look we were all just wrong. Richardson just isn't that good after all. Poor vision. It's the kiss of death for a RB and one of the hardest thing to scout because of the good offensive lines a lot of college guys have in front of them. If your vision is below average no amount of physical superiority will make up for it. If you can get RB2 prices for Trich, I would sell because I think after another poor season, this time next year, he will be virtually untradeable.

Am I the only who remembers how terrible Spiller vision was the first year. He had no patience and tried to bounce everything. Vision and patience can be learned. It's trust too, Chris Johnson used to show good vision but lost trust. Let's not pretend vision is just some innate quality that one either has or doesn't have. There is much that goes into it, if as you suggest Richardsen just has no sense of it all, we should know soon. For now though his lack of being able to show it only means that there is an issue, it does not mean that it is incorrect able.

Valid point. But IMO it's a bit different for pure speed RBs like Spiller and Reggie Bush, who were able to get the corner consistently in college and need to learn to just take what's there in the NFL.

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Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But I love how people bash on me because I feel like the dude still has a future. He is still young (my age), and has all the opportunity in the world to succeed. Only time will tell, not these opinionated forums lmao.

No one is bashing you. Calm down little guy.

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I'm calm!!!!!! Just stating facts. SO MANY PEOPLE HATE on Trent, and I get why... I just obviously plan on keeping him, waiting for the breakout. I'd be content with 1000yd season and a few hundred catching yds. 10+ total Tds would be nice . Time will tell. I LOVE the fact Andrew Luck will push the ball down field and Trent will receive the goal line carries. Hopefully POUNDING IN goal line TDS.

(Waiting for the "only thing he's pounding in is porn" - comment)

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Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But I love how people bash on me because I feel like the dude still has a future. He is still young (my age), and has all the opportunity in the world to succeed. Only time will tell, not these opinionated forums lmao.

No one is bashing you. Calm down little guy.

It may help to put some perspectives regarding actual ADP..

Honestly Im not exactly sure how to view some handcuffs. But Im thinking some may be overlooking rather obvious points of interest.

Personally when I consider the opportunity for improvement, I believe TRich ranks a bit higher then some..

Now I could list @ 15 RB's that I would just as soon draft. However from the posts, it sounds like some would rather "gamble" on Ben Tate?

Basically in a ten team league, I would think TRich as your RB2 shouldn't be viewed as a bad thing.

p.s. BWill Im not so sure I buy into the whole 3rd yr WR deal. IF a WR doesn't hit 750yds in his frist two, Im not buying. But I can read the Wikipedia page on TRich to know that its possible I may start to consider 3rd yr RB's. Personally I sometimes believe some posts are trying to up or downplay a player. Im not exactly so sure that's the case here, but now you know a bit closer to where I rank TRich

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Basically in a ten team league, I would think TRich as your RB2 shouldn't be viewed as a bad thing.

In a 10 team league, Richardson as your RB2 should be viewed as a catastrophic thing.

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope. He's big and fast, but every single carry looks like the first time he's ever held a football. The running back position is all natural, you see hole, you hit hole, you evade/run over when necessary. Trent has zero natural running ability, and it can't be taught.

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

You sure?

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

When I see 3.6 ypc as a rookie, I think "this guy is a stud".

sorry Joe. Sometimes that atmosphere of the forum influences me poorly. I still must take ownership for my actions of course.

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

When I see 3.6 ypc as a rookie, I think "this guy is a stud".

Please dial it back some. This kind of thing plus the "calm down little guy" is the kind of thing we don't want here. Thanks.

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

When I see 3.6 ypc as a rookie, I think "This guy isn't that good". What impressed you about his rookie year?

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

When I see 3.6 ypc as a rookie, I think "This guy isn't that good". What impressed you about his rookie year?

Thanks.

J

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

When I see 3.6 ypc as a rookie, I think "This guy isn't that good". What impressed you about his rookie year?

Thanks.

J

thx for being a positive influence dude

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I'm drafting Vick Ballard in the 15th round... Honestly, by the time drafting happens he'll be moving up boards. Not due to his talent, but the lack of one of the competing backs and health of the other. If they draft a RB, I'm taking him blindly.

BTW, Trent Richardson was just tackled for a one yard gain as I wrote this.

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

When I see 3.6 ypc as a rookie, I think "This guy isn't that good". What impressed you about his rookie year?

the 12 TDs impressed me and probably most others. You don't get 12 "lucky" TDs your rookie season, especially on a 2012 Cleveland Brown team lead by rookie Weeden and raw rookie Gordon. You got to have some skills to get that number.

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

When I see 3.6 ypc as a rookie, I think "This guy isn't that good". What impressed you about his rookie year?

the 12 TDs impressed me and probably most others. You don't get 12 "lucky" TDs your rookie season, especially on a 2012 Cleveland Brown team lead by rookie Weeden and raw rookie Gordon. You got to have some skills to get that number.

Rushing TDs are about opportunity and have nothing to do with skill. The biggest stiff in the world can run for double digit TDs given enough goal line carries.

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

When I see 3.6 ypc as a rookie, I think "This guy isn't that good". What impressed you about his rookie year?

the 12 TDs impressed me and probably most others. You don't get 12 "lucky" TDs your rookie season, especially on a 2012 Cleveland Brown team lead by rookie Weeden and raw rookie Gordon. You got to have some skills to get that number.

Rushing TDs are about opportunity and have nothing to do with skill. The biggest stiff in the world can run for double digit TDs given enough goal line carries.

4 TDs or so, sure... but double digits; no. Evidence of a bum racking double digit TDs

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the 12 TDs impressed me and probably most others. You don't get 12 "lucky" TDs your rookie season, especially on a 2012 Cleveland Brown team lead by rookie Weeden and raw rookie Gordon. You got to have some skills to get that number.

Rushing TDs are about opportunity and have nothing to do with skill. The biggest stiff in the world can run for double digit TDs given enough goal line carries.

4 TDs or so, sure... but double digits; no. Evidence of a bum racking double digit TDs

Brandon Jacobs

Moe Williams

80 year old Jerome Bettis

90 year old Stephen Davis

Lendale White

Willie Parker

Travis Henry

Domanick Williams

Joseph Addai

Ryan Grant

Benjarvis Green-Ellis

LeRon McClain

TJ Duckett

Tim Hightower

Knowshon Moreno

Mike Tolbert

Earnest Graham

Chris Wells

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope.

Because I saw him run the year before that :shrug:

When I see 3.6 ypc as a rookie, I think "This guy isn't that good". What impressed you about his rookie year?

the 12 TDs impressed me and probably most others. You don't get 12 "lucky" TDs your rookie season, especially on a 2012 Cleveland Brown team lead by rookie Weeden and raw rookie Gordon. You got to have some skills to get that number.

Rushing TDs are about opportunity and have nothing to do with skill. The biggest stiff in the world can run for double digit TDs given enough goal line carries.

4 TDs or so, sure... but double digits; no. Evidence of a bum racking double digit TDs

Mikel LeShoure had 9 in 2012

BJGE 11 in 2011, 13 in 2010

Beanie Wells had 10 in 2011

Rashard Mendenhall 9 in 2011, 13 in 2010

Peyton Hillis 11 in 2010

Mike Tolbert 11 in 2010

LenDale White, LeRon McClain, Earnest Graham, old Jerome Bettis, Leroy Hoard... the list goes on and on. Pro-football-reference would be a good place for you to check out some historical stats.

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I don't understand how anyone who saw him run last year can have any hope. He's big and fast, but every single carry looks like the first time he's ever held a football. The running back position is all natural, you see hole, you hit hole, you evade/run over when necessary. Trent has zero natural running ability, and it can't be taught.

This. Like many, I thought Richardson was a can't miss prospect, but it is clear that he is now an example that there is no can't miss prospect, much along the lines of Charles Rogers, Ryan Leaf, and Curtis Enis.

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the 12 TDs impressed me and probably most others. You don't get 12 "lucky" TDs your rookie season, especially on a 2012 Cleveland Brown team lead by rookie Weeden and raw rookie Gordon. You got to have some skills to get that number.

Rushing TDs are about opportunity and have nothing to do with skill. The biggest stiff in the world can run for double digit TDs given enough goal line carries.

4 TDs or so, sure... but double digits; no. Evidence of a bum racking double digit TDs

Brandon Jacobs

Moe Williams

80 year old Jerome Bettis

90 year old Stephen Davis

Lendale White

Willie Parker

Travis Henry

Domanick Williams

Joseph Addai

Ryan Grant

Benjarvis Green-Ellis

LeRon McClain

TJ Duckett

Tim Hightower

Knowshon Moreno

Mike Tolbert

Earnest Graham

Chris Wells

those are bums?

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the 12 TDs impressed me and probably most others. You don't get 12 "lucky" TDs your rookie season, especially on a 2012 Cleveland Brown team lead by rookie Weeden and raw rookie Gordon. You got to have some skills to get that number.

Rushing TDs are about opportunity and have nothing to do with skill. The biggest stiff in the world can run for double digit TDs given enough goal line carries.

4 TDs or so, sure... but double digits; no. Evidence of a bum racking double digit TDs

Brandon Jacobs

Moe Williams

80 year old Jerome Bettis

90 year old Stephen Davis

Lendale White

Willie Parker

Travis Henry

Domanick Williams

Joseph Addai

Ryan Grant

Benjarvis Green-Ellis

LeRon McClain

TJ Duckett

Tim Hightower

Knowshon Moreno

Mike Tolbert

Earnest Graham

Chris Wells

those are bums?
They range from "average starting RB" to backup level players that served as a team's goal line RB for a year or two.

ETA: Regardless of anyone's individual feelings on any particular RB on that list, no one can reasonably argue that every single guy on it is a special talent. It clearly and irrefutably debunks your position that Richatdson's 2012 TD total is evidence of any great talent or skill as an NFL RB.

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