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QB Kirk Cousins, ATL (2 Viewers)
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Jack White
Footballguy
When does Colt get his chance?
fatness
Footballguy
And a few games after that it'll be Robert. And a few games after that it'll be Kirk.
And so on and so on and scooby dooby do.
Cousins not the answer? What a shocker!
Everybody but the Redskins brass knew Cousins is a low-grade game manager with no upside and an ultra-poor resume in less-than-optimal situations. When everything goes right like against the Rams, he is borderline okay. When things start deteriorating, he can't scramble, he can't make the big throw, he loses poise quickly, starts missing throws, and ultimately collapses into a bad INT or two to seal the day. But how is any of this any different than what everybody already saw in his two starter stints before? Was he expected to morph into Aaron Rodgers somehow in-between?
Now what's the point in going to Colt McCoy? Another known quantity, more of the same. The only chance this team has is to abandon this pocket-passing utopia, tweak its offense to match RG3's skillset and roll with that, supported by a strong run game, and a reasonable defensive unit.
Though if I am Dan Snyder, the last thing I want to see are a few more checkmarks in the W column. Better to get a top-3 pick and get myself another QB.
Everybody but the Redskins brass knew Cousins is a low-grade game manager with no upside and an ultra-poor resume in less-than-optimal situations. When everything goes right like against the Rams, he is borderline okay. When things start deteriorating, he can't scramble, he can't make the big throw, he loses poise quickly, starts missing throws, and ultimately collapses into a bad INT or two to seal the day. But how is any of this any different than what everybody already saw in his two starter stints before? Was he expected to morph into Aaron Rodgers somehow in-between?
Now what's the point in going to Colt McCoy? Another known quantity, more of the same. The only chance this team has is to abandon this pocket-passing utopia, tweak its offense to match RG3's skillset and roll with that, supported by a strong run game, and a reasonable defensive unit.
Though if I am Dan Snyder, the last thing I want to see are a few more checkmarks in the W column. Better to get a top-3 pick and get myself another QB.
Faust
MVP
What we learned: Time to pull plug on Kirk Cousins?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000538362/article/what-we-learned-time-to-pull-plug-on-kirk-cousins
Excerpt:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000538362/article/what-we-learned-time-to-pull-plug-on-kirk-cousins
Excerpt:
Faust
MVP
Jay Gruden adamant in keeping Kirk Cousins his starter:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000538385/article/jay-gruden-adamant-in-keeping-kirk-cousins-his-starter
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000538385/article/jay-gruden-adamant-in-keeping-kirk-cousins-his-starter
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Right...until when? Gruden has so little credibility left.Faust said:
He should have stuck with RG3. At least, he would have had a great excuse in front of Dan Snyder. Now Dan is cranky BOTH because the Redskins are losing AND because his boy is on the bench. I doubt he would think too deeply who's to blame.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Cousins cannot win games for you. Sometimes he is okay at "not losing them", sometimes he loses them on his own.
Bottom line is with a good offensive line, a good defensive line, but mediocre talent everywhere else, Washington needs a QB that can go win the game. That's RG3. Yes, he will lose some too, but he has the ability to win them.
Say all you want about RG3's mistakes/turnovers, but they don't come close to Cousins'.
Bottom line is with a good offensive line, a good defensive line, but mediocre talent everywhere else, Washington needs a QB that can go win the game. That's RG3. Yes, he will lose some too, but he has the ability to win them.
Say all you want about RG3's mistakes/turnovers, but they don't come close to Cousins'.
Cousins is not very good. Griffin is exactly where he belongs, he is entirely mentally and physically fragile to play the position.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Looking forward to the Monday Night game in Week 13 when two Browns rejects square off against each other (McCoy and Weeden). If only they could find a way to temporarily hire Brady Quinn as the sideline reporter.
A couple more performances like this and the DC media will split again in pro-RG3 and anti-RG3 camps. The common denominator will be that both camps want Cousins benched.
Kansas City had an awesome D, a great running game, and a much better game manager. They won quite a few regular season games with that recipe, only to be blown up repeatedly in the playoffs. When you don't have players who can make plays against the good teams when it matters, your ceiling in the NFL is low. Racking up a few unnecessary wins along the way actually makes it worse, because it creates the illusion that what you are doing is almost working: "Look! We went from 3-13 to 6-10!"
For all his deficiencies, RG3 is the type of player who can win game for the Redskins, and has done so repeatedly before. Cousins and McCoy never have, and likely never will. All things considered, this franchise seems actually worse off today than 4 weeks ago.
Kansas City had an awesome D, a great running game, and a much better game manager. They won quite a few regular season games with that recipe, only to be blown up repeatedly in the playoffs. When you don't have players who can make plays against the good teams when it matters, your ceiling in the NFL is low. Racking up a few unnecessary wins along the way actually makes it worse, because it creates the illusion that what you are doing is almost working: "Look! We went from 3-13 to 6-10!"
For all his deficiencies, RG3 is the type of player who can win game for the Redskins, and has done so repeatedly before. Cousins and McCoy never have, and likely never will. All things considered, this franchise seems actually worse off today than 4 weeks ago.
Hang 10
Footballguy
So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?You are clueless if you think Griffin should see the field.
You do understand Griffin's injury history yes? You do understand Griffin costs $16 million next year if he's hurt yes?So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?
Only a complete moron would let Griffin see the field. Not only has Griffin shown he just can't grasp the position he's too fragile, he'll get hurt and The Redskins will be on the hook for his salary next year. If Griffin stays on the team he needs to stay in street clothes.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Are you responding to someone else? Because you didn't seem to understand my question.You do understand Griffin's injury history yes? You do understand Griffin costs $16 million next year if he's hurt yes?So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?
Only a complete moron would let Griffin see the field. Not only has Griffin shown he just can't grasp the position he's too fragile, he'll get hurt and The Redskins will be on the hook for his salary next year. If Griffin stays on the team he needs to stay in street clothes.
My argument for Cousins playing is his name is not Robert Griffin. There's no solution on this team presently for a quality NFL starting QB.Are you responding to someone else? Because you didn't seem to understand my question.You do understand Griffin's injury history yes? You do understand Griffin costs $16 million next year if he's hurt yes?So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?
Only a complete moron would let Griffin see the field. Not only has Griffin shown he just can't grasp the position he's too fragile, he'll get hurt and The Redskins will be on the hook for his salary next year. If Griffin stays on the team he needs to stay in street clothes.
Hang 10
Footballguy
I get it, you hate Griffin. That's long been established. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PLAY COLT MCCOY?My argument for Cousins playing is his name is not Robert Griffin. There's no solution on this team presently for a quality NFL starting QB.Are you responding to someone else? Because you didn't seem to understand my question.You do understand Griffin's injury history yes? You do understand Griffin costs $16 million next year if he's hurt yes?So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?
Only a complete moron would let Griffin see the field. Not only has Griffin shown he just can't grasp the position he's too fragile, he'll get hurt and The Redskins will be on the hook for his salary next year. If Griffin stays on the team he needs to stay in street clothes.
I don't hate Griffin, I hate his injury risk and cap hit when he blows out his knee again.I get it, you hate Griffin. That's long been established. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PLAY COLT MCCOY?My argument for Cousins playing is his name is not Robert Griffin. There's no solution on this team presently for a quality NFL starting QB.Are you responding to someone else? Because you didn't seem to understand my question.You do understand Griffin's injury history yes? You do understand Griffin costs $16 million next year if he's hurt yes?So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?
Only a complete moron would let Griffin see the field. Not only has Griffin shown he just can't grasp the position he's too fragile, he'll get hurt and The Redskins will be on the hook for his salary next year. If Griffin stays on the team he needs to stay in street clothes.
Do you honestly think it matters if it's Colt or Cousins? I sure don't.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Of course it matters. You can't keep trotting out a guy that gives your team little to no chance to win. The empty seats at FedEx will be a bigger hit than whatever Griffins cap hit might be.I don't hate Griffin, I hate his injury risk and cap hit when he blows out his knee again.Do you honestly think it matters if it's Colt or Cousins? I sure don't.I get it, you hate Griffin. That's long been established. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PLAY COLT MCCOY?My argument for Cousins playing is his name is not Robert Griffin. There's no solution on this team presently for a quality NFL starting QB.Are you responding to someone else? Because you didn't seem to understand my question.You do understand Griffin's injury history yes? You do understand Griffin costs $16 million next year if he's hurt yes? Only a complete moron would let Griffin see the field. Not only has Griffin shown he just can't grasp the position he's too fragile, he'll get hurt and The Redskins will be on the hook for his salary next year. If Griffin stays on the team he needs to stay in street clothes.So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?
Even if that was true $16million cap hit <> lost revenue. I thought you were smarter than that.Of course it matters. You can't keep trotting out a guy that gives your team little to no chance to win. The empty seats at FedEx will be a bigger hit than whatever Griffins cap hit might be.I don't hate Griffin, I hate his injury risk and cap hit when he blows out his knee again.Do you honestly think it matters if it's Colt or Cousins? I sure don't.I get it, you hate Griffin. That's long been established. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PLAY COLT MCCOY?My argument for Cousins playing is his name is not Robert Griffin. There's no solution on this team presently for a quality NFL starting QB.Are you responding to someone else? Because you didn't seem to understand my question.You do understand Griffin's injury history yes? You do understand Griffin costs $16 million next year if he's hurt yes? Only a complete moron would let Griffin see the field. Not only has Griffin shown he just can't grasp the position he's too fragile, he'll get hurt and The Redskins will be on the hook for his salary next year. If Griffin stays on the team he needs to stay in street clothes.So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?
McCoy, Cousins, Griffin, Gruden......that combo doesn't seem to give the team much of a chance to win.
SeanTaylor21
Footballguy
Calling guys clueless and the little jabs of "I thought you were smarter than that" is pretty egotistical. RG3 is the best playmaker of the three QBs without a doubt. He's also the most criticized and injury prone without a doubt. Do I think he should see the field? If his name wasn't RG3 then yea because I like the chances of winning better with him. Since his name is RG3, I don't want to risk unnecessary money and I don't want more fuel to be added to this dumpster fire of an offense that Jay Gruden has.Even if that was true $16million cap hit <> lost revenue. I thought you were smarter than that.Of course it matters. You can't keep trotting out a guy that gives your team little to no chance to win. The empty seats at FedEx will be a bigger hit than whatever Griffins cap hit might be.I don't hate Griffin, I hate his injury risk and cap hit when he blows out his knee again.Do you honestly think it matters if it's Colt or Cousins? I sure don't.I get it, you hate Griffin. That's long been established. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PLAY COLT MCCOY?My argument for Cousins playing is his name is not Robert Griffin. There's no solution on this team presently for a quality NFL starting QB.Are you responding to someone else? Because you didn't seem to understand my question.You do understand Griffin's injury history yes? You do understand Griffin costs $16 million next year if he's hurt yes? Only a complete moron would let Griffin see the field. Not only has Griffin shown he just can't grasp the position he's too fragile, he'll get hurt and The Redskins will be on the hook for his salary next year. If Griffin stays on the team he needs to stay in street clothes.So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?
McCoy, Cousins, Griffin, Gruden......that combo doesn't seem to give the team much of a chance to win.
Cousins vs. McCoy is the same scenario as Grossman vs. Beck. I'd prefer neither be starting (none of the three for that matter), but Cousins has proven time and time again he can't take care of the ball or win games. Our fan base has been on a roller coaster the past few years since RG3s rookie year brought back some faith before sending everyone right back down the roller coaster hill.
Hang 10 has a point here. Sure the $16mill cap hit will hurt but losing the interest of fans goes far beyond the cap including loss of season ticket holders, less apparel purchased, less concessions, etc.
Hang 10
Footballguy
It's not my job to manage the cap for these bozos. They are the ones who picked up his option. They are the ones who kept him on the roster. Is Griffins injury history a recent development? Of course it isn't. So to me that's a weak excuse to keep him on the bench. Are we already so concerned about next year that we can throw this season down the toilet already?Even if that was true $16million cap hit <> lost revenue. I thought you were smarter than that. McCoy, Cousins, Griffin, Gruden......that combo doesn't seem to give the team much of a chance to win.Of course it matters. You can't keep trotting out a guy that gives your team little to no chance to win. The empty seats at FedEx will be a bigger hit than whatever Griffins cap hit might be.I don't hate Griffin, I hate his injury risk and cap hit when he blows out his knee again.Do you honestly think it matters if it's Colt or Cousins? I sure don't.I get it, you hate Griffin. That's long been established. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PLAY COLT MCCOY?My argument for Cousins playing is his name is not Robert Griffin. There's no solution on this team presently for a quality NFL starting QB.Are you responding to someone else? Because you didn't seem to understand my question.You do understand Griffin's injury history yes? You do understand Griffin costs $16 million next year if he's hurt yes? Only a complete moron would let Griffin see the field. Not only has Griffin shown he just can't grasp the position he's too fragile, he'll get hurt and The Redskins will be on the hook for his salary next year. If Griffin stays on the team he needs to stay in street clothes.So you're hoping to see McCoy in there soon? If not, what's the argument for more Cousins?
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
There we go.Faust said:
Lets tone down the attitude towards other posters. There's no reason for the digs and insults.
fatness
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I saw RG3 Was active today.
dgreen
Footballguy
Had to be. Inactive list was full of injured players.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
PLEASE start RGIII vs my Cowboys. It's all I want for Christmas.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
RG3 must really be a head case. It is almost beyond explanation why the team is sticking with Cousins at this point. I do not have dog in this fight, but from the outside it appears to be approaching Al Davis/Marcus Allen level of strange benching. Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that Griffin is close to Allen in talent, but this is really weird.
Faust
MVP
Kirk Cousins: My INTs this year 'aren't as awful' as last year's INTs
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25346192/kirk-cousins-my-ints-this-year-arent-as-awful-as-last-years-ints
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25346192/kirk-cousins-my-ints-this-year-arent-as-awful-as-last-years-ints
Sounds like exactly the attitude I want to have in my franchise QB!
Trying not to laugh while picturing Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning saying "well, yeah, the INT sucked, but it wasn't a really, really bad int....you shoulda seen the one I threw back in '09!"
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
The only thing that matters about Griffin right now is that we literally can't afford to let him play. If he's seriously injured, we're on the hook for $16M next year. So us not starting him says nothing about him or any other QB on the roster
Wadsworth
Footballguy
That does not make it less bizarre. The Redskins are going no where, have a young QB on the roster that has proven that he is capable of playing at a high level that has been a healthy scratch most of the season. Fear of having to pay an injury settlement? What about fear of sucking?
Griffin may be a head case. The Redskins may be on point and just trying to exit a bad situation as gracefully as possible. It is still weird. RG3 is getting the Tebow treatment but at least to my eye he has looked a better player.
$16 million cap hit in 1 year for a team that needs all the cap space and assets it can, yes, that's a lot. Fear of sucking? Hard to fear something they are really good at. I'm a RG3/Redskins fan and it is what it is. I think with a head coach that didn't have a man crush on Kirk Cousins and basically just didn't hate him, RG3 would get another shot. They've all but moved on from RG3 and they're using this year to figure out what they have in Cousins even though it's pretty obvious to me what they have. A career backup, but hey, what do I know, Gruden is supposed to be the QB guru right?
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
There are politics at play, as well as contract issues.Wadsworth said:
