Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
How was Larry Fitzgerald (and even Roddy White) not a starter for you?
For the record I think its a fine trade, as I love Allen and like Torrey Smith's potential more than most.
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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (3 Viewers)
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For the record I think its a fine trade, as I love Allen and like Torrey Smith's potential more than most.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
As the other owner in this trade I'm curious to see what people think. I have a feeling I overpaid, but I'm happy with it.MattFancy said:
Jrodicus
Footballguy
12 team, ppr (0.5 rb / 1.0 wr / 1.5 te)
Give: Nicks, 4.02
Get: Maclin, 2.10
Give: Ellington, 2.02
Get: Ballard, 1.09 (have TRich)
The last trade I was in has already been posted (gave Keenan, Torrey, Maclin for Fitz, Roddy, Olsen 1.08, 2.08, 4.08).
Sum of trades:
Give: Keenan, Torrey, Nicks, Ellington, 2.02, 4.02
Get: Fitz, Roddy, Olsen, Ballard, 1.08, 1.09, 2.08, 2.10, 4.08
Give: Nicks, 4.02
Get: Maclin, 2.10
Give: Ellington, 2.02
Get: Ballard, 1.09 (have TRich)
The last trade I was in has already been posted (gave Keenan, Torrey, Maclin for Fitz, Roddy, Olsen 1.08, 2.08, 4.08).
Sum of trades:
Give: Keenan, Torrey, Nicks, Ellington, 2.02, 4.02
Get: Fitz, Roddy, Olsen, Ballard, 1.08, 1.09, 2.08, 2.10, 4.08
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Because it's a start 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 flex league and my starters pre-trade would generally be ADP, Lynch, Lacy, AJ Green, Harvin, and Gronk.Dr. Octopus said:
Spiller, Fitz, and Roddy would've been my top backups, and Olsen would've been my backup TE. The trade didn't make my team appreciably stronger, but it made it much younger and just as good.
Seastrunk might be a really good player and we know Marshall is but you are giving up 2 young players with potential and an aging player for a younger elite WR. Those extra couple of years don't generally come cheaply so I think you both did OK from what I can assume on the intent
Some leagues you really have to overpay to get those elite guys but I think this is actually pretty solid value where both sides can feel good about how they made out.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If Manning plays at least one more year I will take the Demaryius side, but really Marshall should be good to go for a while also.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Really fair deal.
Think I'd take the three, but I have high expectations for seastrunk, maybe the #1 rookie pick in many leagues.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
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MattFancy
Footballguy
I think it's about as fair as you'll see.
I'm not sure Seastrunk will be the #1 rookie pick, but he would easily be top 5 IMO. So basically I traded Thomas for Marshall, 1.05 and Allen. Seems like a pretty good haul.
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
Not involved with this one
12 team dynasty PPR TE yardage bonus
Team A gets
Flacco, Malcolm Floyd, Megatron, Tyler Eifert, picks 1.8 and 2.5
Team B gets
Aaron Rodgers, Reggie Wayne, and Dennis Pitta
12 team dynasty PPR TE yardage bonus
Team A gets
Flacco, Malcolm Floyd, Megatron, Tyler Eifert, picks 1.8 and 2.5
Team B gets
Aaron Rodgers, Reggie Wayne, and Dennis Pitta
MattFancy
Footballguy
Team A for me. Gettting Calvin and picks seems pretty good. Only player of real value he gave up his Rodgers.
Bamac
Footballguy
Wow. Eifert > Pitta
2.5 > Wayne
Calvin >> Rodgers
1.8 + Flacco >> 0
Is this a superflex?
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I don't like this part of the deal. The early 2nd is going to have very solid value this season. Perhaps close to that of the 1.09.
Ellington is a potential stud; Ballard is a handcuff to a handcuff.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Jrodicus
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
I just traded the 2nd to last pick in our rookie draft for Ballard. You basically moved up 5 spots and traded away a potential top 15 RB for a handcuff. I don't like it.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I don't know. But I don't think they're giving the keys to Trent. He'll have to fight and claw for his touches.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
So then Ballard has a shot at being the starter in Indy? Doesn't sound like a handcuff of a handcuff then.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't know that I'd say it's either Richardson or Ballard as the starting back in Indy next season. Isn't there the possibiliy of re-signing Brown or Bradshaw, signing another veteran back or drafting a back?
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Jrodicus
Footballguy
Do you prefer Ellington over the RBS that might be there with the 1.09 - Carey, Sankey, Thomas, or Sims? What about the other players who might be there - Bridgewater (maybe), Evans, Coleman, or Moncrief?
I guess I'm just not sold on Ellington being the guy in AZ. I've got the 1.02, 1.08, and 1.09 picks and the Colts backfield locked up now (they might bring Brown back, but I doubt they want to pay him).
MattFancy
Footballguy
I think I'd prefer Ellington over those guys. We've already seen what he can do and is still young.
Sure the peace of mind of locking up the Colts backfield is nice, but it's not like their RBs are going to be amazing. I think Richardson will improve, but we don't know what to expect from Ballard. And there is nothing saying the Colts don't take a RB later in the draft to push Richardson or Ballard. Or they could even bring back Brown and have a bigger mess.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Bringing Brown back - maybe, but I don't think they will.
Veteran back? Maybe. As the starter? Meh.
Drafting a back? God I hope not. They traded away their 1st to get TRich, and that line is horrible. I can't imagine that they'd take a RB early, but you never know.
stronger88
Footballguy
12 team ppr, 2RB + Flex
Team A gives Russell Wilson
Team B gives Vereen and Ridley
Team A gives Russell Wilson
Team B gives Vereen and Ridley
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I know 1QB leagues value takes a hit but I have a hard time liking dealing Wilson for the Pats backfield.
PPR Vereen has value and Ridley will likely retain some but Wilson is locked in as a starter and seems to be a good one. I guess I will side with the RB on value but I think I like Wilson to be a far safer and longer term option than either of the RB's
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Trading with QBs in a 1xQB league is tricky. I would never draft Wilson before Vereen in a start-up; there are other options to be had later. But if Wilson is my guy in an established league, I would need a lot more than Vereen. Unless he's my QB2; then Vereen is fair.
In other words:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'd rather have what you gave that what you received in all four deals (although the last one I could go back and forth on).solorca said:
All of them are close enough in value that it's just personal preference - and all of them could definitely end up being in your favor when all is said and done.
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
12 team, ppr, best ball, start qb, x2 rb, x3 wr, te, r/w/t flex, k def
Three team trade.
A Gives: Doug Martin, DeAndre Hopkins, 2.03
A Gets: Michael Floyd, Martellus Bennett, Arian Foster, 2.08
B Gives: Arian Foster, Martellus Bennett, 2.12
B Gets: DeAndre Hopkins, Marques Colston, 2.05
C Gives: Michael Floyd, Marques Colston, 2.05, 2.08
C Gets: Doug Martin, 2.03, 2.12
Three team trade.
A Gives: Doug Martin, DeAndre Hopkins, 2.03
A Gets: Michael Floyd, Martellus Bennett, Arian Foster, 2.08
B Gives: Arian Foster, Martellus Bennett, 2.12
B Gets: DeAndre Hopkins, Marques Colston, 2.05
C Gives: Michael Floyd, Marques Colston, 2.05, 2.08
C Gets: Doug Martin, 2.03, 2.12
A gave up 2 of the best pieces and the top draft pick. Don't like it for A at all but C makes out like a bandit
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
They dont need to even draft a RB in the first 3 rounds to land a starter. That backfield is kind of a mess.
"Colts backfield locked up".............not exactly a good thing. Kinda sounds like wasted roster spots.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I agree that the value was very fair and it could go either way depending almost entirely on how Seastrunk turns out and how Marshall ages.
I also, honestly, made this semi-luxury trade because I just couldn't resist having a WR corps of Calvin-Dez-Julio-DT.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I like the end result, although I think the Morris trade individually could go either way. Actually, it's non-PPR so that's a good trade too.Traded AP for Dez and Antonio Brown/Ryan Mathews for AMorris. 5 keeper, Non PPR start 2WR. No picks exchanged.
(not dynasty, but we don't have a keeper thread)
Before:
AP
Gio
ABrown
KAllen
Gronk
After:
Morris
Gio
Dez
KAllen
Gronk
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Antonio Brown and Mathews for Alfred Morris???????Traded AP for Dez and Antonio Brown/Ryan Mathews for AMorris. 5 keeper, Non PPR start 2WR. No picks exchanged.
(not dynasty, but we don't have a keeper thread
Before:
AP
Gio
ABrown
KAllen
Gronk
After:
Morris
Gio
Dez
KAllen
Gronk
ratbast
Footballguy
Yeah I gave 2 for 1 to get a better RB. I didnt like the idea of Mathews and Gio as my two Rbs. The guy didnt have extra picks and could take 2 keepers. The fun of the 5 keeper is the 1st round (6th) is the guys that should have been kept and the good rooks. Most teams have their 5 players so selling Mathews alone would not have yielded much at all.
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Jrodicus
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I guess I am just not up to speed with keeper trades, cause that value is atrocious in a dynasty.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC
Dez Bryant
2015 3rd rounder
for
CJ Spiller
pick 2
pick 9
Dez Bryant
2015 3rd rounder
for
CJ Spiller
pick 2
pick 9
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
ratbast
Footballguy
Jrodicus
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That is fine, but I would think Brown and mathews, or just Brown alone, could get you someone better than Morris. I'd rather just have brown even in Non PPR than Morris
