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These clowns in 3rd place yet?

Seems inevitable.

It's the only logical conclusion.

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I think there will plenty of good seats available in late September and early October.

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These clowns in 3rd place yet?

Seems inevitable.

It's the only logical conclusion.

:coffee:

It still doesn't stop the White Sox from sucking though, it just gives the Royals and Indians more to look forward to.

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And your new shortstop is....

ANDREW ROMINE!

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.279 career minor league hitter, good glove, can steal bases.

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These clowns in 3rd place yet?

Seems inevitable.

It's the only logical conclusion.

:coffee:

It still doesn't stop the White Sox from sucking though, it just gives the Royals and Indians more to look forward to.

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He stole 62 bases in one year at low A.

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He stole 62 bases in one year at low A.

You're reaching for something positive about him, aren't you? His OBP last year was .308 and he had 1 SB in 123 PAs.

Is Adam Everett available? Edgar Renteria?

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He stole 62 bases in one year at low A.

His SB% rates since then have been net negative.

Romine is a definite upgrade over Suarez and should be good enough to hold the fort for a while.

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He stole 62 bases in one year at low A.

You're reaching for something positive about him, aren't you? His OBP last year was .308 and he had 1 SB in 123 PAs.

Is Adam Everett available? Edgar Renteria?

He had 15 steals and a .367 OBP at AAA. :shrug:

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He stole 62 bases in one year at low A.

You're reaching for something positive about him, aren't you? His OBP last year was .308 and he had 1 SB in 123 PAs.

Is Adam Everett available? Edgar Renteria?

He had 15 steals and a .367 OBP at AAA. :shrug:

The elevation of Salt Lake City is 4,327 feet. The ballpark plays positive for H, R and HRs.

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VMART led off today, always nice to have your top speed guys at the top of the order. /springtraininggame

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And your new shortstop is....

ANDREW ROMINE!

:mellow:

.279 career minor league hitter, good glove, can steal bases.

Is he not of the same blood lines as Nick Punto

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So Max basically told us to #### off long term...even more reason we need to win WS this year

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So Max basically told us to #### off long term...even more reason we need to win WS this year

He took the same position of Verlander did and that worked for him. Does anyone know the terms that were offered?

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So Max basically told us to #### off long term...even more reason we needed to win WS this last year

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Max Scherzer's agent Scott Boras told ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick that the Tigers rejected a contract offer from the right-hander's camp and not the other way around.

The Tigers released a statement Sunday saying Scherzer had rejected a "substantial, long-term contract offer," but Boras claims the team was the one that actually turned down Scherzer's extension offer. Boras isn't usually one to be believed, but that would actually make more sense than the idea of Scherzer rejecting something close to the $25.7 million AAV Justin Verlander got from the club, which ESPN's Jayson Stark had reported. Either way, the talks have broken off and Scherzer appears headed to a large payday next winter on the open market.

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Actually a pretty high risk move by max. An injury could cost him $100 million. Tigers are probably willing to give Max a nice payday. One in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

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I don't understand why the Tigers had to release that statement other than to get the fans off their back. I guess now if they trade him the fans won't go ballistic.

Let me again state that I said the Tigers should have extended Scherzer before last season, could have had him for Anibal Sanchez money.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

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I don't understand why the Tigers had to release that statement other than to get the fans off their back. I guess now if they trade him the fans won't go ballistic.

Let me again state that I said the Tigers should have extended Scherzer before last season, could have had him for Anibal Sanchez money.

I agree, if not that they should have made the best deal in the off season and kept Fister.

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Max Scherzer's agent Scott Boras told ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick that the Tigers rejected a contract offer from the right-hander's camp and not the other way around.

The Tigers released a statement Sunday saying Scherzer had rejected a "substantial, long-term contract offer," but Boras claims the team was the one that actually turned down Scherzer's extension offer. Boras isn't usually one to be believed, but that would actually make more sense than the idea of Scherzer rejecting something close to the $25.7 million AAV Justin Verlander got from the club, which ESPN's Jayson Stark had reported. Either way, the talks have broken off and Scherzer appears headed to a large payday next winter on the open market.

Tigers need to open the check book on this one. Pay Max what he wants, and just raise the price of pizza's and beer.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

I would love to see it, but after watching that body appear to start breaking down (Yes. I know he still had an OPS north of 1.000) last year, I think there's reason to be concerned

Hopefully the move to first slows down the wear and tear.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

I would love to see it, but after watching that body appear to start breaking down (Yes. I know he still had an OPS north of 1.000) last year, I think there's reason to be concerned

Hopefully the move to first slows down the wear and tear.

How many long term big money deal actually work out for the team?

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

I would love to see it, but after watching that body appear to start breaking down (Yes. I know he still had an OPS north of 1.000) last year, I think there's reason to be concerned

Hopefully the move to first slows down the wear and tear.

I look at guys like Konerko and see a guy who can flat out hit, and those things carry through with age. Big Hurt, Manny, Bagwell...power hitters who are great hitters first usually have success well into their 30s.

It doesn't matter, Detroit has to re-sign Cabrera. The fans would go ape #### if the Tigers let him go, he and Verlander are the franchise.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

I would love to see it, but after watching that body appear to start breaking down (Yes. I know he still had an OPS north of 1.000) last year, I think there's reason to be concerned

Hopefully the move to first slows down the wear and tear.

How many long term big money deal actually work out for the team?

How do you think the first $130 million we have spent on Cabrera has fared?

Jeter, Manny Ramirez, and Helton contracts all worked out well for their teams. It happens.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

I would love to see it, but after watching that body appear to start breaking down (Yes. I know he still had an OPS north of 1.000) last year, I think there's reason to be concerned

Hopefully the move to first slows down the wear and tear.

How many long term big money deal actually work out for the team?

How do you think the first $130 million we have spent on Cabrera has fared?

Jeter, Manny Ramirez, and Helton contracts all worked out well for their teams. It happens.

Helton's deal was terrible for the Rockies. The specifics are buried in a number of extensions, deferral and re-negotiations but he signed his big deal in 2001 before his age 27 season. He earned his pay for the first four years (two of which were bought out arb years at a lower salary) before the wheels came off. By the time the really big money kicked in 2006, he was 32 and in decline. He never again hit 20 HR and only had one 4+ WAR season in his last eight years with the club. During those eight years, the Rockies paid him $115M with another $13M in deferred money still outstanding.

Cabrera's next deal will start at his age 33 season. I'd be very afraid. He's a great hitter and has been durable, but he's human. The PED era distorted the normal aging curve. Nutrition and conditioning are better than ever before but I still think expecting (and paying for) all-star production beyond age 35 isn't wise.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

I would love to see it, but after watching that body appear to start breaking down (Yes. I know he still had an OPS north of 1.000) last year, I think there's reason to be concerned

Hopefully the move to first slows down the wear and tear.

How many long term big money deal actually work out for the team?

How do you think the first $130 million we have spent on Cabrera has fared?

Jeter, Manny Ramirez, and Helton contracts all worked out well for their teams. It happens.

Helton's deal was terrible for the Rockies. The specifics are buried in a number of extensions, deferral and re-negotiations but he signed his big deal in 2001 before his age 27 season. He earned his pay for the first four years (two of which were bought out arb years at a lower salary) before the wheels came off. By the time the really big money kicked in 2006, he was 32 and in decline. He never again hit 20 HR and only had one 4+ WAR season in his last eight years with the club. During those eight years, the Rockies paid him $115M with another $13M in deferred money still outstanding.

Cabrera's next deal will start at his age 33 season. I'd be very afraid. He's a great hitter and has been durable, but he's human. The PED era distorted the normal aging curve. Nutrition and conditioning are better than ever before but I still think expecting (and paying for) all-star production beyond age 35 isn't wise.

That's why you give him a deal that includes the next two years, then you spread the risk out over less time in his younger peak years.

As far as Helton, he packed the seats and was always an above average player. He was the face of that franchise and signing guys to contracts in baseball is more than just what goes on between the lines, it is a business decision that impacts the whole franchise. If they can get a deal done now for seven years, I think it's a good move. He'll earn more than what he gets in salary for three of those years for sure, then we'll see. He's not getting Cano's ten years, but he'll get more per year than anyone. I'd guess 7/$200mm.

And I would rather spend the money on the best hitter in baseball than on Scherzer, and I'm the biggest Scherzer homer ever. I was begging the Tigers to re-sign him last year before Verlander, knowing Verlander would definitely come back and that Scherzer was due to bust out. Signing Miggy to a deal after next year isn't the best idea though, for either party. I think they work this out soon.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

I would love to see it, but after watching that body appear to start breaking down (Yes. I know he still had an OPS north of 1.000) last year, I think there's reason to be concerned

Hopefully the move to first slows down the wear and tear.

How many long term big money deal actually work out for the team?

How do you think the first $130 million we have spent on Cabrera has fared?

Jeter, Manny Ramirez, and Helton contracts all worked out well for their teams. It happens.

Helton's deal was terrible for the Rockies. The specifics are buried in a number of extensions, deferral and re-negotiations but he signed his big deal in 2001 before his age 27 season. He earned his pay for the first four years (two of which were bought out arb years at a lower salary) before the wheels came off. By the time the really big money kicked in 2006, he was 32 and in decline. He never again hit 20 HR and only had one 4+ WAR season in his last eight years with the club. During those eight years, the Rockies paid him $115M with another $13M in deferred money still outstanding.

Cabrera's next deal will start at his age 33 season. I'd be very afraid. He's a great hitter and has been durable, but he's human. The PED era distorted the normal aging curve. Nutrition and conditioning are better than ever before but I still think expecting (and paying for) all-star production beyond age 35 isn't wise.

That's why you give him a deal that includes the next two years, then you spread the risk out over less time in his younger peak years.

As far as Helton, he packed the seats and was always an above average player. He was the face of that franchise and signing guys to contracts in baseball is more than just what goes on between the lines, it is a business decision that impacts the whole franchise. If they can get a deal done now for seven years, I think it's a good move. He'll earn more than what he gets in salary for three of those years for sure, then we'll see. He's not getting Cano's ten years, but he'll get more per year than anyone. I'd guess 7/$200mm.

And I would rather spend the money on the best hitter in baseball than on Scherzer, and I'm the biggest Scherzer homer ever. I was begging the Tigers to re-sign him last year before Verlander, knowing Verlander would definitely come back and that Scherzer was due to bust out. Signing Miggy to a deal after next year isn't the best idea though, for either party. I think they work this out soon.

Save that face of the franchise BS for the schmucks

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

I would love to see it, but after watching that body appear to start breaking down (Yes. I know he still had an OPS north of 1.000) last year, I think there's reason to be concerned

Hopefully the move to first slows down the wear and tear.

How many long term big money deal actually work out for the team?

How do you think the first $130 million we have spent on Cabrera has fared?

Jeter, Manny Ramirez, and Helton contracts all worked out well for their teams. It happens.

Helton's deal was terrible for the Rockies. The specifics are buried in a number of extensions, deferral and re-negotiations but he signed his big deal in 2001 before his age 27 season. He earned his pay for the first four years (two of which were bought out arb years at a lower salary) before the wheels came off. By the time the really big money kicked in 2006, he was 32 and in decline. He never again hit 20 HR and only had one 4+ WAR season in his last eight years with the club. During those eight years, the Rockies paid him $115M with another $13M in deferred money still outstanding.

Cabrera's next deal will start at his age 33 season. I'd be very afraid. He's a great hitter and has been durable, but he's human. The PED era distorted the normal aging curve. Nutrition and conditioning are better than ever before but I still think expecting (and paying for) all-star production beyond age 35 isn't wise.

That's why you give him a deal that includes the next two years, then you spread the risk out over less time in his younger peak years.

As far as Helton, he packed the seats and was always an above average player. He was the face of that franchise and signing guys to contracts in baseball is more than just what goes on between the lines, it is a business decision that impacts the whole franchise. If they can get a deal done now for seven years, I think it's a good move. He'll earn more than what he gets in salary for three of those years for sure, then we'll see. He's not getting Cano's ten years, but he'll get more per year than anyone. I'd guess 7/$200mm.

And I would rather spend the money on the best hitter in baseball than on Scherzer, and I'm the biggest Scherzer homer ever. I was begging the Tigers to re-sign him last year before Verlander, knowing Verlander would definitely come back and that Scherzer was due to bust out. Signing Miggy to a deal after next year isn't the best idea though, for either party. I think they work this out soon.

Save that face of the franchise BS for the schmucks

Gopher State is usually 3rd or 4th in posts in the Tigers threads. I'm writing to my audience, guy.

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One way of looking at failing to resign Max is it frees up more money to resign Miggy- which is a far more important signing IMO. If he hits the market I highly doubt he resigns with Det.

I wouldn't want to be one signing checks for a 33-38 YO Miggy.

I think Cabrera will be just fine well into his 30s, guy can hit like no one else. Will he be worth $30 million a year then? Maybe not, but the Tigers have no choice but to keep him. They began negotiating with him after Scherzer decided he'd like to hit the open market, maybe a 7/220? He's going to be the highest paid player until Trout signs a long-term deal, and he'll be worth the money for most of his contract if he's healthy IMO.

I would love to see it, but after watching that body appear to start breaking down (Yes. I know he still had an OPS north of 1.000) last year, I think there's reason to be concerned

Hopefully the move to first slows down the wear and tear.

How many long term big money deal actually work out for the team?

How do you think the first $130 million we have spent on Cabrera has fared?

Jeter, Manny Ramirez, and Helton contracts all worked out well for their teams. It happens.

It does happen and I do think Cabrera will hit until he is 40. Was talking more about Max. Max will be 31 starting next season and will his future be better than his past?

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Tigers trade Lombardozzi for Alex Gonzalez, who is 37 and had an OPS of .433 last year. Is Dombrowski drunk?

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