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Indefinite New England Patriots Thread

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4 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Here's who the Pats ended up with out of the "draft" . . . (the pick numbers from trades might be off).

#32 WR Brandin Cooks NOS
#64 DL Kony Ealy CAR
#83 DE Derek Rivers Youngstown State
#85 OT Antonio Garcia Troy
#131 DE Deatrich Wise Arkansas
#137 TE Dwayne Allen IND
#163 RB Mike Gillislee BUF
#183 TE James O'Shaugnessy KCC
#211 OT Conor McDermott UCLA

Any way you cut it, I think this draft will have been one of their best. 3 different kind of DL players (very excited about Rivers), all fit existing molds in NE. 2 Tackles, that they desperately need some depth for. Two TEs, they needed. Someone to replace Blount that we have tons of tape on. Brandin ####### Cooks.

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I like the Patriots draft a lot in the short run, but in the long run I’m a little concerned that they aren’t getting quality players on their rookie deals...Yes, getting a stud wr like Cooks for the 32nd pick (a glorified 2nd round choice) is great for the next two years, but if they had taken a rookie at 32 they would have that player under on his rookie deal for a much longer period of time.

The best player of the bunch is Cooks, but the best value may turn out to be Mike Gillislee. The Bills GM got fired for a reason. Gillslee really has the potential to blow up in New England. I think the Patriots getting him for a 5th round choice was highway robbery and yet another example as why the Patriots are the Patriots and the Bills are the Bills.

Kony Ealy may come to NE and live up to his potential or he may not (I betting that he is just another guy) but he also represents good value for the Patriots. They didn’t really give up a 2nd round choice for him, they simply dropped eight spots in the draft.

The Dwayne Allen move was solid, but not spectacular. Allen has potential (great blocker) but is a clear downgrade from Martellus Bennett. Allen will most likely have to perform at a high level for the Patriots as Rob Gronkowski will go down with his annual season ending injury at some point. Remember, the Patriots don’t win the SB without Martellus Bennett last season.

Rivers,Garcia + Wise seem like solid/ decent mid round depth picks, but we won’t really know their worth for at least a couple of years.

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On 4/30/2017 at 1:23 AM, Casting Couch said:

I really like this O'Shaugnessy kid from Kansas City. They got him for virtually nothing.

 

O Shag Hennessey

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1 hour ago, [icon] said:

I concur that Bayless is an idiot . . . but in this case he may not be wrong. I'm not sure the gap between NE and the rest of the league is quite as large as Bayless suggests, but at least on paper they look to be at the head of the class.

When you consider that . . .

2013 - Went 12-4 and advanced to the AFCCG with half the team injured and others battered
2014 - Won the SB
2015 - Started off 10-0 before the barrage of injuries set in
2016 - Won the SB
2017 - Added Cooks, Gillislee, Burkhead, Clark with Gronk coming back . . . lost Bennett and Blount on offense. Kept most of the defense together and added Gilmore and other pieces while losing Ryan, Long, and Sheard. Also kept the coaching staff intact.

They have a stocked roster, depth, and the best coaching in the game. They should be favorites. They also appear to have better strengths and fewer weaknesses than the other top teams, but we are still 4 months away from playing any live football.

If healthy, they are always a threat to win it all and in the Top 3 teams. The question is . . . can they stay healthy.

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4 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I concur that Bayless is an idiot . . . but in this case he may not be wrong. I'm not sure the gap between NE and the rest of the league is quite as large as Bayless suggests, but at least on paper they look to be at the head of the class.

When you consider that . . .

2013 - Went 12-4 and advanced to the AFCCG with half the team injured and others battered
2014 - Won the SB
2015 - Started off 10-0 before the barrage of injuries set in
2016 - Won the SB
2017 - Added Cooks, Gillislee, Burkhead, Clark with Gronk coming back . . . lost Bennett and Blount on offense. Kept most of the defense together and added Gilmore and other pieces while losing Ryan, Long, and Sheard. Also kept the coaching staff intact.

They have a stocked roster, depth, and the best coaching in the game. They should be favorites. They also appear to have better strengths and fewer weaknesses than the other top teams, but we are still 4 months away from playing any live football.

If healthy, they are always a threat to win it all and in the Top 3 teams. The question is . . . can they stay healthy.

Well said.. I'm just curious if they're worthy to be considered biggest favorites of all time. At 3.6:1 currently that's insane. 

I can't find historical data on biggest preseason favorites overall, but the biggest pre-season favorites to win it all since 2001 were at +600, twice the patriots and once the 2006 Colts. 

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On 4/29/2017 at 11:27 PM, Anarchy99 said:

Here's who the Pats ended up with out of the "draft" . . . (the pick numbers from trades might be off).

#32 WR Brandin Cooks NOS
#64 DL Kony Ealy CAR
#83 DE Derek Rivers Youngstown State
#85 OT Antonio Garcia Troy
#131 DE Deatrich Wise Arkansas
#137 TE Dwayne Allen IND
#163 RB Mike Gillislee BUF
#183 TE James O'Shaugnessy KCC
#211 OT Conor McDermott UCLA

UDFA (So far)
TE Jake Hollister Wyoming
WR Cody Hollister Arkansas
DE
 Corey Vereen Tennessee
G Jason King Purdue
DT Adam Butler Vanderbilt
OT Cole Croston Iowa
WR Austin Carr Northwestern
DT Josh Augusta Missouri
LB Harvey Langi BYU
FS Jason Thompson Utah
CB Kenny Moore Valdosta State
CB D.J. Killings Central Florida
OL Greg Pyke Georgia
SS Damarius Travis Minnesota
DB David Jones Richmond
DB Dwayne Thomas LSU
RB LeShun Daniels Iowa
OL Max Rich Harvard
DT Adam Butler Vanderbilt
 

This list is obviously wrong.

I see no one from Rutgers on it.

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It is amazing to think about, kept Butler (fingers crossed) added some good weapons, kept jimmy G......... downgraded at TE you could say but at least Allen is good if healthy, Gronk is the best if healthy. It will be an interesting year for sure.

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Butler at voluntary workouts.:thumbup:

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58 minutes ago, AngryPatriot said:

Butler at voluntary workouts.:thumbup:

That suprises me - I really thought he'd sit out

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1 hour ago, AngryPatriot said:

Butler at voluntary workouts.:thumbup:

Yeah... this defense might be pretty dangerous. The offense... well, that goes without saying if they stay healthy. 

I guess winning 12-14 games a year got boring... so maybe they're going for some sort of scoring differential record. 

 

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5 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Yeah... this defense might be pretty dangerous. The offense... well, that goes without saying if they stay healthy. 

I guess winning 12-14 games a year got boring... so maybe they're going for some sort of scoring differential record. 

 

The defense will be better this year but will probably give up more points. They play some real offenses/QB's this year. The offense will be unstoppable if they manage to hold on to the football (see the first half of the SB as how things can go wrong). And it goes without saying everyone needs to stays healthy. Always a big if. If the defense goes into ball hawking / turnover mode, there will be a few games that will get way out of hand. Like 52-10. For some teams, playing NE will be their Super Bowl, so they will see some best efforts of the season from otherwise mediocre teams (the Jets as an example). I would set the over/under for Gillislee in the game in BUF at 150 yards and 2 TD.

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10 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

The defense will be better this year but will probably give up more points. They play some real offenses/QB's this year. The offense will be unstoppable if they manage to hold on to the football (see the first half of the SB as how things can go wrong). And it goes without saying everyone needs to stays healthy. Always a big if. If the defense goes into ball hawking / turnover mode, there will be a few games that will get way out of hand. Like 52-10. For some teams, playing NE will be their Super Bowl, so they will see some best efforts of the season from otherwise mediocre teams (the Jets as an example). I would set the over/under for Gillislee in the game in BUF at 150 yards and 2 TD.

TD Mike is going to destroy us this year... Ugh

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3 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

The defense will be better this year but will probably give up more points. They play some real offenses/QB's this year. The offense will be unstoppable if they manage to hold on to the football (see the first half of the SB as how things can go wrong). And it goes without saying everyone needs to stays healthy. Always a big if. If the defense goes into ball hawking / turnover mode, there will be a few games that will get way out of hand. Like 52-10. For some teams, playing NE will be their Super Bowl, so they will see some best efforts of the season from otherwise mediocre teams (the Jets as an example). I would set the over/under for Gillislee in the game in BUF at 150 yards and 2 TD.

Like every year?

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1 hour ago, Boston said:

I am always skeptical of trick shots for any sport. Videotape 500 attempts and then replay the one that actually worked out. Not saying he can't kick or isn't accurate, but kicking the ball off a post doesn't wow me.

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On 4/29/2017 at 11:27 PM, Anarchy99 said:

Here's who the Pats ended up with out of the "draft" . . . (the pick numbers from trades might be off).

#32 WR Brandin Cooks NOS
#64 DL Kony Ealy CAR
#83 DE Derek Rivers Youngstown State
#85 OT Antonio Garcia Troy
#131 DE Deatrich Wise Arkansas
#137 TE Dwayne Allen IND
#163 RB Mike Gillislee BUF
#183 TE James O'Shaugnessy KCC
#211 OT Conor McDermott UCLA

UDFA (So far)
TE Jake Hollister Wyoming
WR Cody Hollister Arkansas
DE
 Corey Vereen Tennessee
G Jason King Purdue
OT Cole Croston Iowa
WR Austin Carr Northwestern
DT Josh Augusta Missouri
LB Harvey Langi BYU
FS Jason Thompson Utah
CB Kenny Moore Valdosta State
CB D.J. Killings Central Florida
OL Greg Pyke Georgia
SS Damarius Travis Minnesota
DB David Jones Richmond
DB Dwayne Thomas LSU
RB LeShun Daniels Iowa
OL Max Rich Harvard
DT Adam Butler Vanderbilt
 

To update the UDFA list . . .

OL Greg Pyke Georgia ended up signing with BUF.

Pats also added:

LB Ellis Brooks (Arkansas)
OT Andrew Jelks (Vanderbilt)
 

 

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Posted (edited)

3 years $9 mil max of $11.17 mil

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Gronk restructured with new incentive based contract. Can make an extra $5.5 million this season. 

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11 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Gronk restructured with new incentive based contract. Can make an extra $5.5 million this season. 

I like it. Good for both parties. You Play? You get paid.... a lot. 

 

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4 hours ago, Saboo said:

Restructured deal seems to hinge of Gronk’s ability to stay on the field.

I had the impression that the Patriots gave themselves the option to pay him more this year if they want to.

This would allow them to spend up to the cap this year and free up cap space next year and beyond. 

Amount to be determined depending on signings yet to happen.

 

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WR Andrew Hawkins says he is signing with NE. Gronk said to be a full go at OTA's this week.

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Good for Pats, pretty high numbers to reach with all the mouths to feed. I would think Hawkins has to beat out Amendola to get a spot... too many players! lol

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