Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
captain_amazing

Indefinite New England Patriots Thread

Recommended Posts

30 minutes ago, Bossman said:

If you think he'll be gung-ho to jump back in next season after going 9-7 this year with an early playoff exit, and no cap room to make any major improvements to the team

 ... you're fooling yourself.

He's 5,137 yards and 45 touchdowns behind peyton. I don't think he gets there this year, and i don't think he'll retire that close to passing his biggest rival.  Brees will pass them both, and i don't think Brady will outlast him in the league, so it's possible, but i think brady really does want to be the unquestioned greatest to ever play the game, and passing his biggest contemporary is almost certainly on his to do list 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

Paging Bossman.... lmao.

 

:thumbup:

 

Was a great game for our Pats ... but against a very weak MIA team (but so was DET). MIA was lucky to be 3-0 beating TEN, NYJ, OAK.

Really liked the fact that Pats had the run game going early ... then they went away from it for no apparent reason. :confused:

My concerns with the defense are lowered a notch but I still don't have a lot of confidence in that side of the ball vs a quality offense.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, JuniorGong said:

Great win but really hurts their draft position for next year

Pick 32 is Pick 32 no matter the record

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, Bossman said:

:thumbup:

 

Was a great game for our Pats ... but against a very weak MIA team (but so was DET). MIA was lucky to be 3-0 beating TEN, NYJ, OAK.

Really liked the fact that Pats had the run game going early ... then they went away from it for no apparent reason. :confused:

My concerns with the defense are lowered a notch but I still don't have a lot of confidence in that side of the ball vs a quality offense.

 

TEN and OAK are not chopped liver.  HOU and MIA are not bad football teams who "got lucky" beating other teams but lost to NE because they are "very weak".

Pats got spanked by Jacksonville (that was 10 years in the making) and then lost to Patricia sans Flowers and Chung.

I'm glad the Pats got smoked by the Jaguars.  The Dark Lord will use this later in the season.  You already know what I'm talking about.

Edelman is back.  Gordon is ramping up.  Michel and White are getting north of 5 YPC.  Touchdown's to Dorsett and Patterson were icing on the cake.

Plus or minus Gronk's ankle, the death star is nearly operational.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, Bossman said:

:thumbup:

 

Was a great game for our Pats ... but against a very weak MIA team (but so was DET). MIA was lucky to be 3-0 beating TEN, NYJ, OAK.

Really liked the fact that Pats had the run game going early ... then they went away from it for no apparent reason. :confused:

My concerns with the defense are lowered a notch but I still don't have a lot of confidence in that side of the ball vs a quality offense.

 

 

14 minutes ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

TEN and OAK are not chopped liver.  HOU and MIA are not bad football teams who "got lucky" beating other teams but lost to NE because they are "very weak".

Pats got spanked by Jacksonville (that was 10 years in the making) and then lost to Patricia sans Flowers and Chung.

I'm glad the Pats got smoked by the Jaguars.  The Dark Lord will use this later in the season.  You already know what I'm talking about.

Edelman is back.  Gordon is ramping up.  Michel and White are getting north of 5 YPC.  Touchdown's to Dorsett and Patterson were icing on the cake.

Plus or minus Gronk's ankle, the death star is nearly operational.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

 

Like almost all things debated around here, the truth will lie somewhere in the middle.  The likely outcome is a 10 or 11 win division title. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, JuniorGong said:

Great win but really hurts their draft position for next year

:lol: 

Some real funny chatter in here over the last week. The spineless fans showing their “when the going gets tough, quit” mindset is always entertaining. 

Welcome back Julian. Meet Josh and Sony. Rob’s in the corner shotgunning beers if you need him. 

On to week 5. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/1/2018 at 6:47 PM, [icon] said:

:lol: 

Some real funny chatter in here over the last week. The spineless fans showing their “when the going gets tough, quit” mindset is always entertaining. 

Welcome back Julian. Meet Josh and Sony. Rob’s in the corner shotgunning beers if you need him. 

On to week 5. 

True, I'm not your "typical" rose colored glasses Pats fan

Bossman

Big win last week against a MIA team most expected to finish last in the AFC East. :rolleyes: ...This weeks game vs IND still isn't much of a test.

Gonna have everyone in NE back on the SB bandwagon now.

True test will be week 6, home vs KC. Jules and Gordon will be up and running so no excuses on offense against a pretty awful KC defense.

... but I'm much more interested in seeing the defense stop somebody besides a MIA team that traded away their best WR in Landry ... and also had Parker sitting out.

 The way KC played against DEN, a much more talented team on defense than NE, I figure them to put up 40 points on NE.

NE defense is still a problem and will continue to be a problem for this team regardless of the boost on offense from Jules / Gordon.

Maybe Sanyo Michelle can limit the offensive touches on the other team by grinding out clock but not going to help when they're playing from behind.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

PFF with some interesting player rankings through the first month. Decent producers from NE so far (with position ranking):

- Andrews (2)
- Flowers (3)
- JMcCourty (6)
- Gronk (6)
- Develin (7)
- JC Jackson not enough snaps to qualify, or else he would be in the Top 3-5 CBs

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

PFF with some interesting player rankings through the first month. Decent producers from NE so far (with position ranking):

- Andrews (2)
- Flowers (3)
- JMcCourty (6)
- Gronk (6)
- Develin (7)
- JC Jackson not enough snaps to qualify, or else he would be in the Top 3-5 CBs

Surprised to see Hightower at only 19th Ranked and with a 70.8 grade. 

Brady 75.2pts at 18th best QB. 

Edited by [icon]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Pats DEF is available in most of my leagues - running with them vs Indy thursday. The Colts have multiple offensive weapons out (Hilton, Doyle, Mack). And Edelman is returning. I think the Pats control the whole game and blow Indy out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, Phenomena said:

Pats DEF is available in most of my leagues - running with them vs Indy thursday. The Colts have multiple offensive weapons out (Hilton, Doyle, Mack). And Edelman is returning. I think the Pats control the whole game and blow Indy out.

Pats catching a huge break tonight with IND players out. Jules back, Gordon another week groomed... Home game helps the situation even further. 

SHOULD be an easy win for them ...  but that's what we said about DET.

They lose this one and my shtick will be off the HOOK tomorrow. :shock:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Since Edelman became a starter, NE has gone 34-7 (.829) when Brady, Edelman, and Gronkowski have all played together. The last time they were able to play together was in November of 2016 against the Jets, the game when Gronk came in for a couple of plays (he was already banged up) and then couldn't go anymore and went on IR. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

NE has released running back Kenjon Barner to make room for Julian Edelman on the active roster. This means the team will only have two active backs against the Colts in Sony Michel and James White. At some point in the near future they need to add a RB. Can't see Michel and White lasting the rest of the season without someone else to come in and give them a breather at times.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
46 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

NE has released running back Kenjon Barner to make room for Julian Edelman on the active roster. This means the team will only have two active backs against the Colts in Sony Michel and James White. At some point in the near future they need to add a RB. Can't see Michel and White lasting the rest of the season without someone else to come in and give them a breather at times.

They're just waiting for the Saints to cut Gillislie.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated... 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, [icon] said:

Rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated... 

Pats just being the Pats.  Rinse and repeat every year.    

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Pats just being the Pats.  Rinse and repeat every year.    

Is that so? 

I seem to remember a time before BB and Brady 

:P 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

NE has released running back Kenjon Barner to make room for Julian Edelman on the active roster. This means the team will only have two active backs against the Colts in Sony Michel and James White. At some point in the near future they need to add a RB. Can't see Michel and White lasting the rest of the season without someone else to come in and give them a breather at times.

What happened to Brandon Bolden, last I knew he was on the roster after cutdowns this season.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Offense is clicking, but they're going to have to keep it up all year because that defense still looks poor IMO.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Bossman said:

What happened to Brandon Bolden, last I knew he was on the roster after cutdowns this season.

No. He got released and signed the next day with MIA.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, humpback said:

Offense is clicking, but they're going to have to keep it up all year because that defense still looks poor IMO.

That IND team was even worse than MIA on offense. Really depleted without their RB1, WR1, TE1, and on their 3rd string RT?

They still managed to get within 7 points in the second half. :lol:

Course the gift int's had a bit to do with that ... but still. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 9/27/2018 at 9:05 PM, Bossman said:

watching the game tonight and I'm envious of the talent on both the Rams and Vikings.

MIN pays Cousins $28 mil per year and somehow still have room under the cap to give him weapons on offense and a stout defense.

Rams built an amazing team around rookie QB Goff. That defense is legit ... and they're still $8 mil under the cap this year? Sheesh.

Lots of quality draft picks on both teams.

 

This has been my biggest gripe, and a topic of conversation with a few friends lately. Brady keeps taking "team friendly" deals so there's room to sign other players.... Where the fudgsicles are these unicorns? (Black Unicorn notwithstanding)

I was mentioned that the talent level on this team was much, much better when Pioli was here. It's impossible to argue that. It's been a parade of JAGs and highly questionable payouts to players nobody else thought should be that expensive (remember Leigh Bodden?) but the big money saved on TB's contract goes there. 

At this point I can't really tell if it's just terrible scouting / player evaluation or BB just straight thinking he can turn water into wine. Either way, there's cause for concern.

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Flying Elvis said:

This has been my biggest gripe, and a topic of conversation with a few friends lately. Brady keeps taking "team friendly" deals so there's room to sign other players.... Where the fudgsicles are these unicorns? (Black Unicorn notwithstanding)

I was mentioned that the talent level on this team was much, much better when Pioli was here. It's impossible to argue that. It's been a parade of JAGs and highly questionable payouts to players nobody else thought should be that expensive (remember Leigh Bodden?) but the big money saved on TB's contract goes there. 

At this point I can't really tell if it's just terrible scouting / player evaluation or BB just straight thinking he can turn water into wine. Either way, there's cause for concern.

 

Apparently you haven't been keeping up. Can't remember if it was in this thread or a TB12 one, but Brady's team friendly deals aren't as team friendly as they appear. He just takes money upfront, has a bunch of guaranteed money, or gets bonuses and incentives that disguise what he makes. So fans and the media look at it and say HE'S ONLY MAKING $14 MILLION THIS YEAR. But his salary cap number is much higher.

So this year Brady has a $22 million cap hit (plus a bunch of performance incentives that can drive up his total) and a $27 million cap hit next year . . . even though they will only pay him $14 million in salary each year. He still could be considered underpaid and have an even greater cap hit if he insisted on getting max value compared to his peers, but his "discount" is not as dramatic as some people make it out to be.

A lot of things have changed since Pioli was around. For starters, there has been an explosion in salaries for top tier players . . . meaning the fair to mid-land guys want their cut as well and a lot of players that aren't stars are getting paid like they are. I agree that NE had a better core in the past, but that was a blend of hitting on some really good draft picks and taking in cast offs from other organizations. Both of those are tough to do really well consistently. Seemingly now all they do is draft guys that were hurt in college (or get hurt as soon as they come to NE).

And let's not forget that 15 years ago teams weren't chucking the ball 60 times a game and passing for 400 yards on a regular basis. Guess what, lots of teams can't cover the pass either now . . . it's not just NE.

But to repeat myself, part of the reason why NE seems to have less talent is that they don't ever choose to go all in. Some people say they are cheap and won't pay their players, but that's how they stay competitive. They don't over spend and BB has proven that he can coach up average talent. I don't think we are covering any new ground here. They play to make it to the Final Four each year and hope that good health, good coaching, and mistakes by the opposition can get them farther than that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OK my "glass half full" Pats fans...

They made easy work of the formerly undefeated Dolphins and now coming off an easy win vs the Colts last week. 

Edleman back, Josh Gordon with 3 weeks to assimilate to the system, Sony Michele now looking like he's up to game speed, team at full strength / mostly healthy with a full 10 days to heal from the last game.

... so tell me what I should expect to see Sunday night, at home, vs KC. Predictions, game plans and such. Give me your opinion / best guess at what will happen.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Bossman said:

OK my "glass half full" Pats fans...

They made easy work of the formerly undefeated Dolphins and now coming off an easy win vs the Colts last week. 

Edleman back, Josh Gordon with 3 weeks to assimilate to the system, Sony Michele now looking like he's up to game speed, team at full strength / mostly healthy with a full 10 days to heal from the last game.

... so tell me what I should expect to see Sunday night, at home, vs KC. Predictions, game plans and such. Give me your opinion / best guess at what will happen.

Just need someone to convince Andy Reid it is a playoff game and they will win easily

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, JuniorGong said:

Just need someone to convince Andy Reid it is a playoff game and they will win easily

:lmao: so true!

NFL Network this morning ran a story about opposing QBs playing Pats for the first time under BB - those QB's are a combine 1-41 W/L

revenge game for BB remember he got blown out by KC last season.payback time. 

I'm not  a Pats fan, but the Chiefs are up against this week..and this should kick off the patented Andy Reid midseason collapse.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Flying Elvis said:

DST not allowed; last possession wins... 70-67ish... lol.

 

Tru dat.

As a Pats fan, I certainly hope they take the reigns off of Brady this week.

Hard to imagine this wont be a track meet.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It would be nice to see Gronk on the highlight reels again.  Hoping Edelman continues to fall in as Brady's safety line as well.  

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not sure I’d put money on the pats but they do have a few things leaning in their favor. 

-Home game. 

-10 days to prepare following a game where it felt like they were able to go on cruise control after halftime. 

-Edelman two full weeks back, plenty of time to shake off the rust. 

-Gordon will now be almost 3 weeks in the offense. 

-Eric Murray, Eric Berry, Justin Houston all likely out for KC with Kpassagnon questionable. Which, to my knowledge, is a big chunk of their defense. 

-Primetime game against a young QB starting in his 2nd primetime game, keep in mind the game where the Broncos nearly beat the Chiefs was also primetime. 

It should be a very interesting game. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, SengerCJ said:

Not sure I’d put money on the pats but they do have a few things leaning in their favor. 

-Home game. 

-10 days to prepare following a game where it felt like they were able to go on cruise control after halftime. 

-Edelman two full weeks back, plenty of time to shake off the rust. 

-Gordon will now be almost 3 weeks in the offense. 

-Eric Murray, Eric Berry, Justin Houston all likely out for KC with Kpassagnon questionable. Which, to my knowledge, is a big chunk of their defense. 

-Primetime game against a young QB starting in his 2nd primetime game, keep in mind the game where the Broncos nearly beat the Chiefs was also primetime. 

It should be a very interesting game. 

All excellent points.

Some things going against the Patriots:

- Tyreek Hill - Uber fast and shifty. Not a good matchup for NE DB's. 

- Kareem Hunt - Pats have been playing well vs the run the past 2 weeks ... but against MIA and IND. They've yet to stop the run vs a talented RB that can also make plays via the pass

- Kelce - Big, plodding LB's on NE are not going to be able to match up with this guy. Going to need a S and some more to slow him down.

If they do choose to double team him, KC should have a field day throwing the ball to Hill and Watkins one on one outside and over the middle.

- Mahomes - vs below avg passing defenses, this guy has thrown for 4,6, and 3 TD's. DEN and JAX were able to slow him down ... so he just ran it into the end zone on them.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/12/2018 at 3:15 PM, Peak said:

It would be nice to see Gronk on the highlight reels again.  Hoping Edelman continues to fall in as Brady's safety line as well.  

Ditto on Gronk and be nice to see Edelman catch 10 balls for 100 yards and a score or two. 

Sony Michel came up questionable and game-time decision? Really? I can also see James White be highly involved. Michel expected to be a big part of this track meet. If he doesn't go because of some fluke injury who else rushes the ball now?

40 - 37 Gostskowski last second FG.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Saw an interesting stat line on Brady so far. On passes 10-20 yards downfield, he has a QB rating of 127.1 on throws to the left, 146.8 in the middle, and 120.0 to the right. The league average is 84.0, 95.6, and 86.5. But on deep throws his passer rating appears to be 0.0.

Edited by Anarchy99

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Bossman said:

All excellent points.

Some things going against the Patriots:

- Tyreek Hill - Uber fast and shifty. Not a good matchup for NE DB's. 

- Kareem Hunt - Pats have been playing well vs the run the past 2 weeks ... but against MIA and IND. They've yet to stop the run vs a talented RB that can also make plays via the pass

- Kelce - Big, plodding LB's on NE are not going to be able to match up with this guy. Going to need a S and some more to slow him down.

If they do choose to double team him, KC should have a field day throwing the ball to Hill and Watkins one on one outside and over the middle.

- Mahomes - vs below avg passing defenses, this guy has thrown for 4,6, and 3 TD's. DEN and JAX were able to slow him down ... so he just ran it into the end zone on them.  

Also excellent points. I’m not very optimistic but I feel this is the best week they could have played them, don’t think they would have stood a chance during the first 5 weeks against KC. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thankfully Pats D held KC to field goals to start the game.

Mahomes had receivers open but missed a couple that could have been TD's.

He sharpened up in the second half and seemed like KC was scoring at will.

Was a big win for the Pats but this defense is still a problem ... despite how they looked vs MIA and IND.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 9/29/2018 at 8:01 AM, Bossman said:

Here's something to ponder ... take a minute to digest before you react.

 

Should NE lose to MIA this weekend, should NE consider tanking to grab a QB in the draft? Ala IND Colts?

Should they start out 1-3, Brady is likely to retire after this season the way they are playing. My guess is that this is completely taking the wind out of his sails.

Gronk threatened to retire last year if he wasn't catching passes from Brady ... so with Brady gone, good chance he'd likely take his sugically repaired anatomy to the WWF next year.

Belichick isn't dumb. He sees the writing on the wall. He's always thinking of the future not just this season.

So how do they do it?. IMO the best way to tank would be to take the ball out of your best players hands (Brady) by handing the ball off to Sony Michel a dozen times or more.

.... and put a defense on the field with the game plan / mind set to "let the other team run on you". Keep the clock moving on defense and keep Brady on the sidelines.

Nice long sustained drives for the other team and be sure you have no one talented enough to get pressure on the QB in the case they do need to throw the ball on 3rd down.

Oh, wait, did this plan already start? If so, seems to be working to perfection.

Only HOU, OAK, and ARZ, have a worse record to this point ... but a loss to MIA here would benefit them greatly.

Top 5 pick this year?

 

Great win last night but Top 5 pick looking doubtful

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Bossman said:

Thankfully Pats D held KC to field goals to start the game.

Mahomes had receivers open but missed a couple that could have been TD's.

He sharpened up in the second half and seemed like KC was scoring at will.

Was a big win for the Pats but this defense is still a problem ... despite how they looked vs MIA and IND.

I partly agree and partly disagree. Mahomes missed some throws because the defense had him running for his life and were in his face on several occasions. I couple times he missed guys that were open when he wasn't under duress. 

But that's how things go in today's NFL. High scoring teams only need a couple stops on defense to win. In the 11 playoff games last year, a team scored 30+ points 7 times including 3 times when a team scored 40+ points. Games have just become high scoring track meets.

We are almost done with Week 6 of the regular season this year. Collectively, teams have scored 30+ points 53 times already and 40+ points 15 times. The days of consistent, shut down defenses seems to have left us.

For as shaky as they have played, the Pats are currently would be the #2 seed in the AFC. The Pats may not have been all that great so far, but which teams in the AFC have been stellar?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/15/2018 at 11:32 AM, Anarchy99 said:

I partly agree and partly disagree. Mahomes missed some throws because the defense had him running for his life and were in his face on several occasions. I couple times he missed guys that were open when he wasn't under duress. 

But that's how things go in today's NFL. High scoring teams only need a couple stops on defense to win. In the 11 playoff games last year, a team scored 30+ points 7 times including 3 times when a team scored 40+ points. Games have just become high scoring track meets.

We are almost done with Week 6 of the regular season this year. Collectively, teams have scored 30+ points 53 times already and 40+ points 15 times. The days of consistent, shut down defenses seems to have left us.

For as shaky as they have played, the Pats are currently would be the #2 seed in the AFC. The Pats may not have been all that great so far, but which teams in the AFC have been stellar?

Good points.

Really no AFC team that is strong on both sides of the ball this year. I thought JAX might be in that category but they've seemed to have lost something as of late.

The vibe that I got from this game vs KC was not that NE earned a hard fought victory ... but more so that KC mistakes made NE fortunate to get the win.

NE defense got a couple of critical key turnovers, one in the end zone, but that felt more like a mistake by a rookie QB than great defensive play by NE.

NE had their own mistakes. The 97 yard kickoff return was so bad. Chalk that up as an aberration ... and wth was that pooched kickoff? Real head scratcher.

I really want to be all in on this years team but not sure how anyone can be confident when their defense is so bad.

Team is giving up 24.7 ppg avg this year vs 18.5 last year, 15.6 the year before.

One thing for sure ... Brady and co. better keep the pedal to the metal because that's the only way they are going to win vs a quality opponent.

Edited by Bossman

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, Bossman said:

Good points.

Really no AFC team that is strong on both sides of the ball this year. I thought JAX might be in that category but they've seemed to have lost something as of late.

The vibe that I got from this game vs KC was not that NE earned a hard fought victory ... but more so that KC mistakes made NE fortunate to get the win.

NE defense got a couple of critical key turnovers, one in the end zone, but that felt more like a mistake by a rookie QB than great defensive play by NE.

NE had their own mistakes. The 97 yard kickoff return was so bad. Chalk that up as an aberration ... and wth was that pooched kickoff? Real head scratcher.

I really want to be all in on this years team but not sure how anyone can be confident when their defense is so bad.

Team is giving up 24.7 ppg avg this year vs 18.5 last year, 15.6 the year before.

One thing for sure ... Brady and co. better keep the pedal to the metal because that's the only way they are going to win vs a quality opponent.

The Patriots have gotten this far by 1) making fewer mistakes than their opposition, 2) (usually) better coaching, and 3) having Tom Brady. That's their secret formula in a nutshell (which is not exactly covering any new ground). If they have two out of three on that short list, that often is good enough to win. We collectively have been rehashing this simple formula for years now.

Opposing players make a big mistake or a costly penalty. Coaches make a critical error or have no clock management skills. I'll be the first to admit that a lot of times they flat out got lucky (see PIT game last year).

If we go back to the 2003-2004 era, NE won a lot of games, but they didn't win by very much and many of those games came down to the last possession or last few minutes. They usually didn't blow anyone out, but they did enough to win.

So instead of barely winning 20-17, now they are barely winning 43-40. But as Brady said the other day, a win is still a win whether it is 3-0 or 41-38. We'll see how the rest of the season goes, but the team that looks like the one the Pats need to watch out for is probably Baltimore.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, that goodness for special teams TD's.

Would have been a different outcome vs the Bears without those bonus 14 points.

We're on to Buffalo

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How could they possibly make this work?

 

Patrick Peterson - DB - Cardinals

CBS Sports' Bryant McFadden reports Patrick Peterson's "ideal trade destination" is the Saints, while the Patriots and Eagles have also showed interested in acquiring Peterson.

The Cardinals have been adamant that Peterson won't be traded, but Peterson has requested a trade and "wants out" of the desert. Arizona has zero use for Peterson as the worst team in the league in a complete rebuild. Peterson offers this organization more value by bringing in draft picks/young players to aid in the process while he's still in his prime and can fetch a nice haul. Still 28, Peterson is signed through 2020. Peterson played his college ball at LSU.

Related: Patriots, Saints, Eagles

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

How could they possibly make this work?

 

Patrick Peterson - DB - Cardinals

CBS Sports' Bryant McFadden reports Patrick Peterson's "ideal trade destination" is the Saints, while the Patriots and Eagles have also showed interested in acquiring Peterson.

The Cardinals have been adamant that Peterson won't be traded, but Peterson has requested a trade and "wants out" of the desert. Arizona has zero use for Peterson as the worst team in the league in a complete rebuild. Peterson offers this organization more value by bringing in draft picks/young players to aid in the process while he's still in his prime and can fetch a nice haul. Still 28, Peterson is signed through 2020. Peterson played his college ball at LSU.

Related: Patriots, Saints, Eagles

Peterson is a $15m cap hit and NE has $0 cap space.

Suppose NE could trade Gronk straight up for him. He's at almost $12m.

Then cut Cordarelle Patterson who's making $3m

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, Bossman said:

Peterson is a $15m cap hit and NE has $0 cap space.

Suppose NE could trade Gronk straight up for him. He's at almost $12m.

Then cut Cordarelle Patterson who's making $3m

Don't think they will really be in on him, but that's not really how the cap works.

Acquiring team is only on hook for his base salary, $11 mil (the other $3 mil per year in his annual average is bonus proration, but Cards have to pay that and thus it stays on their cap).  And then the acquiring team only has to cover the pro-rated portion which remains this year--which is roughly $6 mil.   Pats have more than $5 mil in cap space after the Gilmore restructuring, so they could make it work with some simple additonal restructurings of current players.

Next year they'd need to find the full $11 mil, too

Edited by Whizzinator

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, Bossman said:

Peterson is a $15m cap hit and NE has $0 cap space.

Suppose NE could trade Gronk straight up for him. He's at almost $12m.

Then cut Cordarelle Patterson who's making $3m

The Pats have roughly $7.5 million in cap space. Peterson has an $11 million salary this year. If they brought in Peterson for half the year, they would only need $5.5 million in cap room.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, kyoun1e said:

How could they possibly make this work?

 

Patrick Peterson - DB - Cardinals

CBS Sports' Bryant McFadden reports Patrick Peterson's "ideal trade destination" is the Saints, while the Patriots and Eagles have also showed interested in acquiring Peterson.

The Cardinals have been adamant that Peterson won't be traded, but Peterson has requested a trade and "wants out" of the desert. Arizona has zero use for Peterson as the worst team in the league in a complete rebuild. Peterson offers this organization more value by bringing in draft picks/young players to aid in the process while he's still in his prime and can fetch a nice haul. Still 28, Peterson is signed through 2020. Peterson played his college ball at LSU.

Related: Patriots, Saints, Eagles

Peterson still an uber stud CB?

If so, I'd see if ARZ would consider taking Josh Gordon straight up for him.

... and promptly cut Rowe as a "ahem" salary cap move. :whistle:

I'd really love to see just 1 stud on that side of the ball. 

Oh how I pine for the talent of Seymore or Mcginest or Bruschi or Law or R.Harrison ... etc.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The pats could do some fun things at LB if they got Peterson. The twins and Harmon st safety. Move Chung to the box as s third safety/linebacker

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.