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Devine Intervention
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This year backs my accusation that without an all star line, Brady is an average QB. He gets off his mark and gets rattled easily. Phillip Rivers plays with this pressure in his face every game and he plays through it.
Run It Up
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Kool-Aid Larry
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Run It Up
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Not much of a confidence booster, the Pats team that lost to the Jets and later blew them out was good. This team might not be good without an okay Oline.
Kool-Aid Larry
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if it takes the Pats getting absolutely buttdevestated on MNF for the organization to make any actual changes, I'm okay with it.
Also from roto:
Also from roto:
They have gotten this wrong 3 weeks in a row... Amendola has had like 10 catches negated for one reason or another - not targeted, lmfao.
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tunamelt warrior
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The Patriots keep thinking they can stop paying their game-changers. This year it's Logan Mankins, but every year it's somebody. C'mon man! Give Brady a chance. I hate the Patriots, but they should be better minus their billionaire owner going cheap each year.
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Baloney Sandwich
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Garoppolo time
I honestly feel that probably half of their roster is made up of guys that shouldn't even have NFL gigs or at best should be buried on the depth chart somewhere. Do yourself a favor and go thru the roster and circle the guys who you truly feel are viable NFL players. It's pathetic to see what they are rolling out there every week.
They had one solid O-lineman ( Solder) going into the year and now he looks like a turnstile. The rest of the line with the possible exception of the rookie Stork is complete garbage. On the D-line they have Vince who I love but he's done. They cheaped out and let the only quality vet they had go while fielding scrubs like Sealver, Verano (sp) and C Jones. The wr corps is complete garbage aside from Edelman.
So we have no O-lne, D-line or WR corps. That was completely transparent going into the year and they did nothing to address it besides let go a couple of the better vets they had there. The front office is a joke and yes Kraft is cheap. This team will never win a SB again without first getting a competent GM in place. It's obvious that these guys don't have a clue when it comes to personal. WTF was the last time we drafted a WR that could even play? What they have done to this team is criminal.
They had one solid O-lineman ( Solder) going into the year and now he looks like a turnstile. The rest of the line with the possible exception of the rookie Stork is complete garbage. On the D-line they have Vince who I love but he's done. They cheaped out and let the only quality vet they had go while fielding scrubs like Sealver, Verano (sp) and C Jones. The wr corps is complete garbage aside from Edelman.
So we have no O-lne, D-line or WR corps. That was completely transparent going into the year and they did nothing to address it besides let go a couple of the better vets they had there. The front office is a joke and yes Kraft is cheap. This team will never win a SB again without first getting a competent GM in place. It's obvious that these guys don't have a clue when it comes to personal. WTF was the last time we drafted a WR that could even play? What they have done to this team is criminal.
Tanner9919
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Joshy McDaniels' play calling is lousy... I mean, can we just say that the NFL has finally caught up to the Pats and their bubble screens, and chuck-n-duck offense? like the Giants, whose Gilbride offense was 'figured out' by opposing teams, so have the Pats.time to move on from McDaniels.
the defensive game-planning is lousy ( isn't BB supposedly a great defensive game planner?) , Revis looks like an above avg CB, but nothing like he was as Revis Island's star with the Jets..
I know people will mention that they were blown out by Buffalo one year and came back to win the SB, but this isn't that type of team..this is a dog that won't hunt..they looked bad last night, like William Paterson University playing @ Alabama bad..and things aren't going to change anytime soon.
the defensive game-planning is lousy ( isn't BB supposedly a great defensive game planner?) , Revis looks like an above avg CB, but nothing like he was as Revis Island's star with the Jets..
I know people will mention that they were blown out by Buffalo one year and came back to win the SB, but this isn't that type of team..this is a dog that won't hunt..they looked bad last night, like William Paterson University playing @ Alabama bad..and things aren't going to change anytime soon.
PatsWillWin
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Again, I think this year's team may be not very good and I'm extremely dubious about some of the off-season moves they made, but how anyone walking upright can they don't have a competent GM, or that the owner is cheap is a complete mystery to me. The same incompetent GM and cheap owner built an AFC contender last year that made it one game away from the Super Bowl.
Please stop.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Pretty sure he played week 1 and had a good game. He missed week 2, barely played in week 3.
Kool-Aid Larry
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pats3in4
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I think this speaks to the real problem: The OL has looked like feces for 4 weeks. While I do think Brady's game has regressed (his deep ball is a complete crapshoot, allowing the D to cheat up closer to the LOS), he's got no shot if the OL continues its 2014 ways. And does anyone see a fix forthcoming? It's not like the team hasn't tried; We're four weeks into the season.
I'm not sure what to think about the D. The run D has looked awful against Miami and KC, but the D won them the other two games (albeit against Oakland and the Matt Cassel stinkfest in Minnesota). Based on the talent, I'd give the D a better chance at turning things around than the O and that horrific OL play.
Run It Up
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The defense will improve as the season goes on, Browner comes back this week.
The offense on the other hand has three big problems. Our oline is ####, our receivers are #### and our playing calling is ####.
We know from last year, that our receivers being #### is tolerable if Brady has a little bit of time. I don't see them bringing in a FA WR or trading for anyone, I think we might see Tyms get some play time, and I hope they get their heads out of their asses and give Wright some play time. So were stuck with the receivers.
They've tried I think 4 or 5 different oline combinations now, they all look bad. I think it would be much easier to plug in a new linemen than it would be to plug in a WR in this system.
Finally, wtf is Mcdaniels doing? Receivers aren't getting separation - lets have even deeper routes... No holes for the backs - lets run draws every 2nd and 3rd down, because they worked literally never this year....
Gronk needs to be on the field every down, Vereen needs to be on the field every down, Wright needs to be on the field every down and Edelman needs to be on the field every down. At this point this offense won't work without missmatches and there are literally none at the moment cause we're fielding Edelman, Gronk half the time, Vereen half the time and random scrub WR. Also, where the #### is Develin, having running troubles and were not using our FB to block. Develin seems pretty capable of being a blocker and also a target.
The offense on the other hand has three big problems. Our oline is ####, our receivers are #### and our playing calling is ####.
We know from last year, that our receivers being #### is tolerable if Brady has a little bit of time. I don't see them bringing in a FA WR or trading for anyone, I think we might see Tyms get some play time, and I hope they get their heads out of their asses and give Wright some play time. So were stuck with the receivers.
They've tried I think 4 or 5 different oline combinations now, they all look bad. I think it would be much easier to plug in a new linemen than it would be to plug in a WR in this system.
Finally, wtf is Mcdaniels doing? Receivers aren't getting separation - lets have even deeper routes... No holes for the backs - lets run draws every 2nd and 3rd down, because they worked literally never this year....
Gronk needs to be on the field every down, Vereen needs to be on the field every down, Wright needs to be on the field every down and Edelman needs to be on the field every down. At this point this offense won't work without missmatches and there are literally none at the moment cause we're fielding Edelman, Gronk half the time, Vereen half the time and random scrub WR. Also, where the #### is Develin, having running troubles and were not using our FB to block. Develin seems pretty capable of being a blocker and also a target.
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Kool-Aid Larry
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I'd somewhat agree with a lot of that, but I think it might be a bit of an overreaction to a bad game.
everybody was raving about kc def last year, and it's a very tough place to play with the noise --- if some team gets whacked in seattle everybody just writes it off.
I mean, to be fair about it -- but they did look like crap.
hali and houston are elite --- remember that one play where hali got off so quick it looked like he was offsides for the sack?
fleming is an ot/te playing his first game ever at guard, stork was getting his first nfl start, connolly doesn't generally play lg, and this is all happening in an environment where nobody can hear a thing over the crowd, so we'll see if these guys can get it together a bit more at home vs a tough cincy line.
I think the defense was mostly a problem with being caught out of position, not filling lanes, not setting the edge, etc, which is a combo of excellent execution by kc and coachable issues on our side.
I've seen games in years past where they got run over but were able to correct the issues.
getting wrecked in any single game wouldn't worry me, but twice in 4 games is a little concerning....
on the plus side, 4 of our next 5 are at home, I think, so maybe we can make everybody forget this one.
everybody was raving about kc def last year, and it's a very tough place to play with the noise --- if some team gets whacked in seattle everybody just writes it off.
I mean, to be fair about it -- but they did look like crap.
hali and houston are elite --- remember that one play where hali got off so quick it looked like he was offsides for the sack?
fleming is an ot/te playing his first game ever at guard, stork was getting his first nfl start, connolly doesn't generally play lg, and this is all happening in an environment where nobody can hear a thing over the crowd, so we'll see if these guys can get it together a bit more at home vs a tough cincy line.
I think the defense was mostly a problem with being caught out of position, not filling lanes, not setting the edge, etc, which is a combo of excellent execution by kc and coachable issues on our side.
I've seen games in years past where they got run over but were able to correct the issues.
getting wrecked in any single game wouldn't worry me, but twice in 4 games is a little concerning....
on the plus side, 4 of our next 5 are at home, I think, so maybe we can make everybody forget this one.
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Kool-Aid Larry
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32 Counter Pass
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I think the Pats offensive issues are as simple as this: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2014/01/patriots_offensive_line_coach_dante_scarnecchia_re.html
Have to have a good oline to generate offense and that starts with a good oline coach.
Have to have a good oline to generate offense and that starts with a good oline coach.
Alex P Keaton
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What do Pats fans think of James White getting carries / catches last night?
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
he got most of that stuff late after we had been blown out already, after brady left in the 4th
it was interesting that they activated him for his first game, while deactivating both thompkins and dobson, and if I had to pull a guess out of my ### I'd say their scheme was mostly based on circumstance.
they've already been having line issues, and they knew they'd be immersed in a sea of sound with hali and houston crashing hard off the edges, so I think they wanted to slow those guys down a bit and get the ball out superquick to the back, and they wanted a back up in case vereen got hurt, as ridley really doesn't catch balls.
Run It Up
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He should be getting more work. The odds Ridley is back next year is slim.
Just hasn't been an opporunity for him to get meaningless carries till last night.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I think it was Gruden last night that was saying with the fact that there are fewer practices than in year's past due to the CBA that the Pats are basically still trying out line combinations to see what works and doesn't. Maybe some teams have figured theirs out quickly and the Pats haven't. I don't think they'll be solid in a few weeks or anything though.
Baloney Sandwich
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Pats tend to respond pretty well after games like these and in guessing they will be a home dog on Sunday for the first time in over a decade. I think they go back to what worked in Minny and Ridley has a big game. I think they win a low scoring 17-13 game.
Gary Coal Man
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Pats should consider bringing in Richie Incognito (pending a mental stability exam). Incognito is better than the guards the Pats' have, and he could add that nastiness lost when Mankins was traded.
Run It Up
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Was originally opposed to the idea, cause honestly how bad could our line be - I've come around.
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General Tso
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Everyone's talking about Browner but I don't think its a given that he plays this week. He hasn't even been around the team yet. Am I missing something?
SengerCJ
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My comment was mostly sarcasm/trying to find something to be optimistic about. Though with as poor as Ryan looked yesterday, I wouldn't doubt that they try to get him into the game next week.
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This is the big story in my opinion... Where do you think Young and Dilfer are getting this from?
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/espns-steve-young-trent-dilfer-very-critical-of-patriots-management/
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/espns-steve-young-trent-dilfer-very-critical-of-patriots-management/
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msudaisy26
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They said what would get them the best ratings for the show. I was only half awake when I seen those comments, but I remember watching Ray Lewis react to that statement and the way he responded was like are you kidding me. I am pretty sure he wanted to choke them both out at that moment.
Run It Up
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I think the biggest thing to understand is that the Pats as an organization have made it work. I agree that their approach to team building is awful from Brady's perspective - what they have done to Brady over the past three years has been a crime. Guy religiously takes paycuts to keep talent around, while they simultaneously don't go after the pieces.
There have been very few wins in the FA acquisition department.
Its just not working anymore, either because it was stretched too thin or because too many pieces are underperforming but thats how it is. On paper they have what it takes, but they need to invest in some changes now, the Oline is bottlenecking this entire team.
There have been very few wins in the FA acquisition department.
Its just not working anymore, either because it was stretched too thin or because too many pieces are underperforming but thats how it is. On paper they have what it takes, but they need to invest in some changes now, the Oline is bottlenecking this entire team.
Baloney Sandwich
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I think Hernandez has more of a shot at suiting up for the Pats this year than Incognito
This is getting ridiculous. The Pats are the first team in two decades to make the AFC Championship Game in three straight years. Now all of a sudden the Pats are wasting Brady's golden years? Give me a break.
That having been said, 2014 is definitely looking like a down year, and Brady's window is almost closed by now. But we're not talking about the Jacksonville Jaguars here.
That having been said, 2014 is definitely looking like a down year, and Brady's window is almost closed by now. But we're not talking about the Jacksonville Jaguars here.
Kool-Aid Larry
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that's because they're trying to be good, not great.
it's readily apparent to anybody who cares to see that kraft has never kept up with al davis, jerry jones, and dan snyder.
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pats3in4
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And I bet the bulk of that fast time is thanks to the whiffs by Solder. What's been amazing to me is despite the foreseeable struggles of the interior OL, the regression of Solder and Vollmer has been severe, particularly Solder.
Thunderlips
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I don't think anyone's saying they're going to be Jacksonville.....but let's be honest. It's not like HOF 14 year starter QBs grow on trees. IF Brady's cooked, and it's most definitely going to be sooner than later....this team is probably going to have some lean times. They don't have too much depth, don't have a lot of playmakers and need to build both sides of the trench.
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Doesn't look like it. Brady was seen chatting with Young and Dilfer before the game. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/10/01/tom-brady-offers-no-comment-on-steve-youngs-trent-dilfers-assessment-of-patriots/