I don't think Brady's skills are what they used to be, although he's still better than most, and the window is closing fast IMO. I don't think they can wait on these guys to develop, they need to pull a Randy Moss type move and quick. I think a Decker or Nicks signing is what the doctor ordered.They will not overpay for this guy. Guaranteed.That is very short sided, Jimmy Graham had 0 catches against Talib this season, Calvin Johnson had only 3 catches for 25 yards against Haden. Decker will be ok outside of Denver in the right spot. If he goes to another good offense he will be just fine.Decker had 1 catch for 6 yards on Sherman's side.I haven't watched enough of him to know how I'd feel about him being a #1 outside guy. I mean I guess he's #2 behind Gronk anyway, and potentially even #3 behind the slot guy. If he can be had for a decent contract I'd be all for it, but I think he capitalizes on the 2013 Bronco hype and gets a ton of money by the Rams or someone and disappears.It would not surprise me if they made a run at signing Decker to essentially trade Welker for Decker. It would strengthen their own team while weakening their biggest competition.
This guy has bust written all over him outside of Denver.
No thanks.
Some other moron team will give him too much.
Good.
I'd rather they continue to grow Dobson and Thompkins.
Or draft a young TE while signing T. Gonzalez for 1 year to sit alongside Gronk.
Same as it ever was.This is looking like a very weak free agent QB off season.
I think it would take a second rounder as well, or possibly a third and a fourth/player. I don't think we trade Mallet, though, as I don't think there are any teams at this time that would be willing to pay that price. But you never know.Do you all think we trade Mallet? And if so what would be the realistic draft pick we could get that would make it worthwhile. I'm thinking it would take a 2nd rounder.
I agree that obtaining a proven, deep threat is the top need offensively for the Pats, but I'm not sure Decker or Nicks are the solution. Would they be an upgrade? Sure. But, after a year in the system for Dobson and Thompkins, I don't think either Decker or Nicks are enough of an upgrade to substantiate signing either of them (unless they could do on the cheap).Personally, I don't like many of the WR FA options for the Pats. I actually would prefer the status quo while adding (if possible) an athletic hybrid WR/TE in the draft, and focus on the OL/DL/DB in FA.I don't think Brady's skills are what they used to be, although he's still better than most, and the window is closing fast IMO. I don't think they can wait on these guys to develop, they need to pull a Randy Moss type move and quick. I think a Decker or Nicks signing is what the doctor ordered.They will not overpay for this guy. Guaranteed.That is very short sided, Jimmy Graham had 0 catches against Talib this season, Calvin Johnson had only 3 catches for 25 yards against Haden. Decker will be ok outside of Denver in the right spot. If he goes to another good offense he will be just fine.Decker had 1 catch for 6 yards on Sherman's side.I haven't watched enough of him to know how I'd feel about him being a #1 outside guy. I mean I guess he's #2 behind Gronk anyway, and potentially even #3 behind the slot guy. If he can be had for a decent contract I'd be all for it, but I think he capitalizes on the 2013 Bronco hype and gets a ton of money by the Rams or someone and disappears.It would not surprise me if they made a run at signing Decker to essentially trade Welker for Decker. It would strengthen their own team while weakening their biggest competition.
This guy has bust written all over him outside of Denver.
No thanks.
Some other moron team will give him too much.
Good.
I'd rather they continue to grow Dobson and Thompkins.
Or draft a young TE while signing T. Gonzalez for 1 year to sit alongside Gronk.
He's a buddy of Belichik's from his Cleveland Brown days...he is a front-office guy...Bill makes all the decisions so I don't think it's too much more than helping out a friend after he got axed...probably will be in some sort of advisor role...What do folks think about the Michael Lombardi hire? I'm not really familiar with what his skills are as a coach, but I hear he's a personnell guy.
No one thinks it's odd then Edelman never sniffed this production and only produced after the guys role he was in was because Amendola's groin was an issue all year? Edelman will not even be brought back and the team that signs him will see he was part of the system that wasnt even intended for him in the first place. Amendola will be the slot guy this year, if he can stay healthy, and will produce those numbers.Yes, I think Amendola with 150+ targets would have produced what Edelman did, maybe slightly better.I agree - I don't see them cutting Amendola either.I don't see them cutting Amendola. He was hobbled the entire season and gutted it out to play week to week. So I would not look at his on field performance as indicative as to what he could do if healthy. I know, I know he could easily get hurt again. He struggled to get separation and get open, but I think he will do better next year.
As far as Edelman goes, I am not as high on him as others are. He clearly benefited from all the other injuries and getting force fed the ball. So I would not consider him for big money WR. He got Welker-like targets (173) and did not put up quite the numbers that Wes did before him. The free agent market should be kinder than last year for Edelman, but I still don't see him getting big dollars. I don't see him getting a ton of money no matter where he goes.
If he does return to NE, I don't see him getting similar production if the other guys stay healthy. Based on that, it will be interesting to see how much the Pats offer him. I do think they look to bring in other receivers like they did between the 2006 and 2007 seasons.
However, I'm curious about how you compare Amendola and Edelman. Do you think they bring the same qualities and could produce similar results if put in similar situations?
For instance, suppose Edleman had the groin injury this year and Amendola was completely healthy. In your opinion, would Amendola have produced the same, less, or more than Edelman had? I know it's hard to predict the results of such a supposition, especially given the fact that we have seen what a healthy Amendola can do in this system. But I'm curious about how you view the two players in comparison to one another.
Using ESPN target data, there have been 59 players that had 150 or more targets in a season since 2006. Of those, Edelman's 2013 season ranked 54th in receiving yards, 58th in yds/rec, and tied for 40th in TD. In summary, he got a lot of help based on volume of targets and short receptions. One could argue that the lack of other threats depressed his totals as teams could focus more on him, but I still think he will lose a fair amount of production if NE can field other receiving options.
Agreed, I only saw a little of the combine, but Cooks really stood out and I thought he would look awesome in a Pats uniformI know it probably won't happen but I would love to see what Brandin Cooks could do on the Pats. Everyone has us taking at TE. Maybe BB will surprise us?
Would Christians trade Jesus just because he's getting old? Nope. Not gonna happen. I don't argue that it might make sense, but it's just not gonna happen.If the Pats feel Mallet can be a good starting QB, they would be wise to trade Brady after this season.
And then we trade BB for a 1st rounder!Would Christians trade Jesus just because he's getting old? Nope. Not gonna happen. I don't argue that it might make sense, but it's just not gonna happen.If the Pats feel Mallet can be a good starting QB, they would be wise to trade Brady after this season.
If you believe Rotoworld, Pats would save $1.375M if they cut him after June 1st. I really don't think Amendola's contract is that out of line compared to other receivers in the league. He signed for 5 years and $28.6 million. If that money is considered on the high side, I don't think Edelman is worth that much either. He's only been healthy one year in his career. I tend to agree with the philosophy that "NE Slot Receiver" will be productive just based on the system and the QB.I'd love to see it but who would take amendola with his contract and injury history? How bad is the cap hit again if we cut him? I think we just have to keep him and hope he gets healthy. Then cut him when the cap penalty wouldn't be too high. Anyone know when that would be?
Why would anyone trade for Am Amendola? Too much luggage.Are the Pats dangling Amendola...now that's an interesting rumor...I am a big Edelman fan (he is on the same page as Brady and that is really underrated as far as Patriot WRs go) and would like him back but I think it's hard to justify paying both Amendola and Edelman big money...something's gotta give here...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/01/report-patriots-have-floated-danny-amendolas-name-in-trade-discussions/
If they guy stays healthy he is a heck of a receiver. He really toughed it out this year when he had his groin injury Week 1. Injuries happen and he is unlucky, I'm just hoping he gets one good year to show he can be the slot guy in NE. People will change their tune. I think he is way better than Edelman and we saw what he did.Why would anyone trade for Am Amendola? Too much luggage.Are the Pats dangling Amendola...now that's an interesting rumor...I am a big Edelman fan (he is on the same page as Brady and that is really underrated as far as Patriot WRs go) and would like him back but I think it's hard to justify paying both Amendola and Edelman big money...something's gotta give here...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/01/report-patriots-have-floated-danny-amendolas-name-in-trade-discussions/
Compared to WRs that actually play football it makes sense. Compared to continually broken WRs, the contract sucks donkey balls.If you believe Rotoworld, Pats would save $1.375M if they cut him after June 1st. I really don't think Amendola's contract is that out of line compared to other receivers in the league. He signed for 5 years and $28.6 million. If that money is considered on the high side, I don't think Edelman is worth that much either. He's only been healthy one year in his career. I tend to agree with the philosophy that "NE Slot Receiver" will be productive just based on the system and the QB.I'd love to see it but who would take amendola with his contract and injury history? How bad is the cap hit again if we cut him? I think we just have to keep him and hope he gets healthy. Then cut him when the cap penalty wouldn't be too high. Anyone know when that would be?
He's never been able to stay healthy and I don't know much of that is bad luck or he just has a brittle body (see Austin Collie, but for different injuries). He was fragile in St. Louis and he's still fragile, thus the reason I said why would anyone give anything for this guy. Now if you can get him for some rock candy and a car wash, then ok, but I wouldn't give anything more than a last rd draft pick for him.If they guy stays healthy he is a heck of a receiver. He really toughed it out this year when he had his groin injury Week 1. Injuries happen and he is unlucky, I'm just hoping he gets one good year to show he can be the slot guy in NE. People will change their tune. I think he is way better than Edelman and we saw what he did.Why would anyone trade for Am Amendola? Too much luggage.Are the Pats dangling Amendola...now that's an interesting rumor...I am a big Edelman fan (he is on the same page as Brady and that is really underrated as far as Patriot WRs go) and would like him back but I think it's hard to justify paying both Amendola and Edelman big money...something's gotta give here...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/01/report-patriots-have-floated-danny-amendolas-name-in-trade-discussions/
What is Boyce's outlook with the team, Harrison and even Thompkins. He looked to fade away as the season went on.
No, but there is almost 10 extra million on the cap this year from last year.Graham and Revis, did I miss the Pats freeing up 25M in cap space?
Revis alone is 16M against the cap.No, but there is almost 10 extra million on the cap this year from last year.Graham and Revis, did I miss the Pats freeing up 25M in cap space?
I agree would be tough, but where there is a will there is a way.Revis alone is 16M against the cap.No, but there is almost 10 extra million on the cap this year from last year.Graham and Revis, did I miss the Pats freeing up 25M in cap space?
If you're talking about the Ray Bourque Bruins I agree...today's Bruins are fully committed to winning the whole thing...while some fans are upset about not making a slash at the deadline the B's have a much bigger window than the Pats and don't need to be making moves they will regret...right now the Pats are like the B's were with Bourque...they have an elite player (Brady) and a team that is among the best in the league and are a legit contender...that being said they don't seem willing to make those extra moves to get over the hump and you just know they aren't going the distance...there is still a lot of time left in the off-season and more often than not big free agency splashes turn into fool's gold but it would be nice to see a little more urgency to win a title while Brady is still at the top of his game...I have this feeling in my gut that Revis goes back to the Jets and we end up with some bargain basement jags (insert name here) when this is all said and done.I refuse to get excited about anything regardless of speculation until the ink is dry. The Pats and Bruins I swear have the same war room.
No way is Revis going back to the Jets, he might not end up in NE but I can't see him going back to NY.I have this feeling in my gut that Revis goes back to the Jets and we end up with some bargain basement jags (insert name here) when this is all said and done.I refuse to get excited about anything regardless of speculation until the ink is dry. The Pats and Bruins I swear have the same war room.
My guess is Revis is like Ty Law and he's gonna go to whoever pays him the most money...No way is Revis going back to the Jets, he might not end up in NE but I can't see him going back to NY.I have this feeling in my gut that Revis goes back to the Jets and we end up with some bargain basement jags (insert name here) when this is all said and done.I refuse to get excited about anything regardless of speculation until the ink is dry. The Pats and Bruins I swear have the same war room.