Do you count pulled hamstrings? Because this guy is rackin em up.
Beckham has bust written all over him from the second the Giants reached for him in the 1st round until his 2nd or 3rd hamstring injury I've hated this pick
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WR Odell Beckham, Jr., BAL (1 Viewer)
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Beckham has bust written all over him from the second the Giants reached for him in the 1st round until his 2nd or 3rd hamstring injury I've hated this pick
Khy
Footballguy
So... I know you're a Giants fan (or at least I see you in every Giants thread). Why do you hate OBJ so much? He was widely considered by professional scouts as a Top 10 talent.
I really don't believe that he is a top 10 talent ... and I really only heard that starting about 2 days before the draft and haven't heard it since.
I look at all of the needs that the Giants had LT, MLB, TE and DT and all of the players that they passed up that could have been contributing to this sorry ### team and it kills me.
Shazier and CJ Mosely, Arron Donald, Zack Martin ... these are all guys they could have had who are looking great and expected to start for their respective teams.
They probably could have traded up and gotten Lewan or Ebron without giving up too much
Mayock didn't even have Beckham in his top 5 WRs. Look at all of the WRs that got drafted after Beckham that are looking great. This draft was loaded with WRs so there was no reason to reach for one in the 1st even if he turns out to be the 3rd best WR in the draft he wont be worth the 12th pick in the draft
saintfool
Dead sexy
Khy
Footballguy
1. Okay, that's fine if you don't believe it. Many people did and still do. I'm not sure where you're listening but a lot of people are still extremely excited about this kids potential. As for not having heard it until 2 days before the draft and Mayock not having Beckham in his Top 5 WRs?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000344764/article/mike-mayocks-position-rankings-for-2014-nfl-draft
This is from April 28th, a week and a half prior to the draft and has Mayock showing OBJ as his #3 WR behind only Watkins and Evans. Prior to that though, OBJ was still in his Top 5 as he was tied for 5th with Landry and Benjamin on his post-combine rankings. So for months Mayock considered him a Top 5 talent at the position.
2. As for looking at how good all these other WRs are doing, well sure... they're on the field. Issac Bruce missed his entire rookie season due to injury and finished as one of the best WRs of all time. So if your reasoning for him being a bust is because he's not shown up much in camp due to injury that's simply short sighted.
3. Yes, Shazier, Mosely, Donald and Martin were all available. But we had a top defense last year and the Giants made waves in the free agent market to help sure up the defense even more. The draft strategy was clearly to focus on the offensive side of the ball early. The offense was A-W-F-U-L last season, it wasn't even a question it was the downfall of the team. If the offense was as good as it's 2012 counterpart we'd have probably been deep into the playoffs last year with the quality of the defense we had. But the offensive line collapsed, our RB core collapsed and one of our best offensive weapons (Hakeem Nicks) apparently fell off a cliff and died because I don't remember seeing him do anything relevant all season. We needed offensive weapons, we went out and got them... or tried to at least. Beckham in the 1st, Richburg in the 2nd and Williams in the 4th.
4. Would it have been nice to grab Mosley and sure up the MLB position for the next 15 years? Sure, but there are good MLBs every year and the team probably felt that WR was a more pressing need this season as we had Beason who performed amazingly last year.
But to say we didn't need a WR when Cruz and Manning were literally publically BEGGING the entire time leading up to the draft to go WR in the first round, specifically Beckham. That's just being blind for the sake of being blind. Eli and Cruz wanted OBJ on this team, there was a lot of mention of it before the draft and after the draft a lot of confirmation. We have yet to even see what Beckham can do, we know that the reports were great in OTAs and he's been injured since then. But relax, you're acting like he's already Miles Austin.
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Right ... that's my point what did Beckham do to move up to the 12th pick a week and a half before the draft?
There are good MLBs every year[SIZE=11.818181991577148px] ? When was the last time the Giants drafted a good MLB or any good linebacker for that matter ?[/SIZE]
Cruz is a solid #1, Randle's a solid #2, Jernigan / Manningham make a nice # 3 & 4
None of it matters if you don't have a LT at all. Beatty is terrible and we dont have anyone better
Point is they could have taken a LT in the 1st, a WR in the 2nd who could be as good or better than Beckham and still probably could have gotten Richburg in the 3rd
Khy
Footballguy
He had one of if not the best combine and pro day among the WRs and had the pre determined talent to go along with it.monk said:
I never said the Giants drafted a good MLB... they also haven't drafted one period really. Since Coughlin has joined the team in 2004 they've drafted zero LBs in the 1st round, 1 LB in the 2nd round and 1 LB in the 3rd round. What I meant is that there's ALWAYS good LBs in the draft, it doesn't mean the Giants go after them... ever.
Last season they had a chance at Ogletree, Te'o, Alonso, Minter all graded out as 1-2nd round picks and would've been fine for them to pick in the 1st but they opted not to and instead went with Pugh.
In 2012 there was Mychal Kendricks, Bobby Wagner, Courtney Upshaw, Lavonte David, Zach Brown, they opted to go with David Wilson.
2011 there was Mason Foster in the 3rd round, they took Jerrel Jernigan right before him. KJ Wright also went in the 4th round and Bruce Carter and Akeem Ayers went in the 2nd round. They took Prince, whose been solid so I'm not upset with that at all.
2010 they took JPP and no real LBs of not went in the 1st round... in the 2nd round they could've had Daryl Washington instead of Linval Joseph. Who knows, maybe he'd have kept his head on straight with Coughlin instead of the couching carousel in ARI. Also in the 2nd round? Sean Lee, Brandon Spikes and Pat Angerer. In the 3rd round they took Chad Jones (who ever the hell that is) after him? Donald Butler and NaVorro Bowman went.
My point being, there are good LBs EVERY SINGLE SEASON. The Giants just chose not to take LBs with early round picks, for reasons that nobody in the world could figure out. They've needed a top ILB for as long as I can remember, yet every year completely ignore the talent at the position.
Cruz is a solid #1 or an elite #2. So it makes sense to try and get a better #1. Randle is not, in my opinion a solid #2. He's a bad #2 or a solid #3. Jernigan is average at best and Manningham is unlikely to make the team, I think Corey Washington will make the team over him easily.
Will Beatty might be terrible, but they're not going to bench the 4th highest paid player on their roster. Are you aware that outside of Manning, Rolle and Cruz, Beatty is the biggest hit to their cap? Why you might ask? Because in 2011 and 2012 he graded out as one of the best LTs in football. If they cut him they'd have to account for his $15.5 million in dead money (or you know... the highest amount on the team). And they're not just going to bench a guy like that.
As for Richburg in the 3rd it's unlikely, most sites had him graded as a 1st or 2nd round pick. If he was still there in the 3rd round for them it'd have been a steal.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
I say play Washington in his spot.....Who cares if he knows all of the routes.....He can run fly routes every play...The D still has to account for him and he would open it up for Cruz and Randle....That is all they were expecting out of Beckham this year anyway.Faust said:
Loomba
Footballguy
So what's the general consensus on this guy now? I drafted him a few weeks ago in one league expecting he would be ready to go by now. Looks like he is droppable for some other free agents out there in my view as he doesn't sound ready, and even if he is, he isn't going to crack the starting line up anytime soon after having missed all of preseason.
Any Giant homers got any of the latest poop on this guy?
Any Giant homers got any of the latest poop on this guy?
Zyphros
Footballguy
He is not a drop no matter the format. Most people probably spent an early-mid 1st on this guy and even though his value probably isn't that high anymore, he's still worth a roster spot. He was the 12th overall pick in the NFL draft, and a highly sought after prospect. No way you drop him unless your league is really shallow.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Last year I took some heat here for saying Jernigan is not that good and after this summer he's been exposed as such. Neither Randle nor Cruz are traditional #1 WRs but more #2 types. Cruz is a fantastic complimentary player that would be phenomenal on a team like Detroit or Cincy where there was a #1. As their leader, their supposed #1, he struggles and then seems to find his niche and have a sweet streak in games. It's not reliable, dependable type plays.
Randle is more like a traditional solid #2 WR.
Beckham Jr is supposedly similarly great like Cruz. He too isn't a big burly #1 QBs can just loft it too but is 6 feet tall.
The Gmen planned to have these three and good luck covering them. They didn't care for the giant #1 WR like Plax, it was going to be that one of these three would surely be open anyway.
Now, their TEs are a disaster and Jernigan has a confidence issue. I love the aforementioned comparison to Parcells and Glenn with Coughlin and Beckham Jr. It's inexact for the nitpickers, but the tone and frustration are similar.
Parcells riding rookie stud Meshawn while Chrebet works his tail off and outperforms him also seems a little similar at least in tone and frustration.
He's gonna play when he's healthy and he's going to have a coach very stern with him and expect production without excuses and...it won't be give the rook time to develop. I know it's very common in FF and we usually expect it, but I totally doubt that here.
For now, Jernigan will play a lot and get a bunch of passes til he fails or regains his confidence. The TE was a big part of the Giant offense for decades and GBP offense too but they have "nothing" at TE. Someone is getting a shot here-although I wouldn't draft one in FF.
Again, in the meantime, if Coughlin gets frustrated, they will line up 2 WRs, a blocking TE and a FB and play a traditional pro set where they run a RB til they're tired, then run a different one. New OC or not, Coughlin has ran this O for 30 years and it's certainly his frustration fallback set.
When Beckham Jr returns, the new high-flying O will absolutely be utilized and Jernigan will get more chances to regain his confidence too. They need both these guys in a big way and absolutely have banked on it.
After Beckham went in the 20th round, I got him in the next two drafts in round 19. There is no doubt he's the most talented player in round 19 with the highest upside. If he were a round 10 guy and people wrote him off for redraft, I'd understand that sentiment. For the 19th round, wait 2-3 weeks...it doesn't get any better than that. If he is still whining about his hammy after week 3, fine cut him just like you'll probably do with anyone else you have in the 19th round to pickup some WW darling. If your draft is over, I'd bet he's the best WW pickup after week one too. The guy is loaded with talent and FF doesn't often give you a risk/reward ratio this favorable, ya just gotta take a chance here.
17seconds
root of all aliai
It's amazing how this guy has fallen completely off the radar. There was a time this summer when he was the #2 rookie WR behind Watkins.
Thank god I only have him in dynasty, but even that I'm a little concerned he'll end up being one of these never 100% guys year after year. This hammy thing he's had has just been weird.
Thank god I only have him in dynasty, but even that I'm a little concerned he'll end up being one of these never 100% guys year after year. This hammy thing he's had has just been weird.
I never understood going WR at all. If you counted Manningham in April, the Giants had 4 good WR. Unless there's an upcoming contract problem where you know you;d have to get rid of 1 of Cruz/Randle/Jernigan next year, then I cannot see how they justified going WR in round1 given the needs throughout the defense (and o-line too).
Faust
MVP
Odell Beckham could be out three more weeks:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000386626/article/odell-beckham-could-be-out-three-more-weeks
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000386626/article/odell-beckham-could-be-out-three-more-weeks
Manningham is eh. Jernigan isn't that good and has had a real rough go of it this offseason with the new staff-he's been somewhat exposed and lost his confidence.
Warhogs
Footballguy
His saving grace may be that the Giants look bad enough that if he can get healthy for the 2nd half of the season they may not be playing for much and may throw him out there to see what they got.
Braktastic
Footballguy
So happy I made this guy my first-ever, first round dynasty rookie draft pick. That said, maybe he's onto something. Stay off the field until Coughlin and crew are fired. Get healthy, fresh start next year?
Bobbyn2022
Footballguy
Braktastic
Footballguy
Warpig
Footballguy
Not only owned in dynasty...but most likely a top 8 pick. Wish I could unload him on someone for anything close to what I paid. Even if he ever gets healthy, who's gonna throw him the ball? Eli is toast.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I'm in a dynasty league and he's unowned, but who would you drop for him?
Taliaferro (potential Ravens starter later this year), Jordan Mathews, Christine michael?
Not sure what his upside is with that Giants team.
Taliaferro (potential Ravens starter later this year), Jordan Mathews, Christine michael?
Not sure what his upside is with that Giants team.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Andrew74
Footballguy
Does not compute.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
What a stiff
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root of all aliai
I've only got him in dynasty and expect no significant production this year.
Rookie WR - strike 1. Very little training camp to work on skills - strike 2. Gimpy for over a month - strike 3.
May have to wait until 2016 to see a breakout.
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Its a looong season. FF playoffs are more than 2 months away. He plays in the perfect division for WRs to succeed. Maybe this offense has turned the corner to being decent. Randle has been meh.
As always if we wait until he does something might be too late. Worth a redraft stash?
As always if we wait until he does something might be too late. Worth a redraft stash?
