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WR Odell Beckham, Jr., BAL (6 Viewers)
- Thread starter Bob Magaw
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I rely on OverTheCap primarily for my salary info so when they are wrong I will likely be as well. This could be a case where they are leading me wrong because when you go to their site and select the trade option on Tavon it show's $7M in cap savings with $0 dead money. If cut that shows as $5M in dead money, $2M in cap savings.
So I'm not going to say I'm 100% sure Overthecap is correct but between them vs La Canfora it's not close to who is accurate. I'm not sure what happened with La Canfora, I suspect he got lazy or other priorities in his life got in the way of him making contacts because he so awful I am routinely seeing him attacked by other professionals for constantly being wrong and never saying so. Paul Kuharsy a Titan beat writer who left ESPN and started his own site and Greg Gabriel and ex-Bears scout are two people off the top of my mind that have been crucifying La Canfora the past few weeks for all the wildly wrong stuff he has been putting out. Gabriel point blank said La Canfora used to have a source inside Halas Hall but that source left years ago and now he literally makes things up. So just saying I'm leery of trusting La Canfora.
dkp993
Footballguy
I’m quoting you but speaking more in general, but I’ve never understood this fascination with draft picks vs proven talent. For me a top 5 (maybe 3) proven NFL WR for the number 4 pick is a no-brainer. The Pats have proven year after year that draft capital is vastly overrated
As with any pick who you get has no guarantee they will be any good and certainly no guarantee they will be top 5 at their position.
Yes with OBJ you will have to pay him vs paying a pick the rookie contract but in the Browns position you are flush with cap space, have almost no large contracts to worry about and if you do hit on just a few of the multiple picks you’ve had (and do have this year) you’ll still have a bunch of talent at below market value. Really don’t see the downside for the Browns here. But as a Rams fan I hope they pass and we find a way to pull it off.
daveR
Footballguy
In general, I agree. In this specific case, you have to ask yourself if there is a viable long-term path to a content OBJ playing his heart out in Cleveland for the next 5-6 years. If there was, NYG wouldn't be looking to trade him.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
He's not going anywhere.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
All I know is they won't extend his contract and that's the biggest reason I'm doubtful the Patriots would give up the compensation for Odell. At least if the compensation is two #1's.
Looks like they could afford a trade, Cooks 5th year option is the same as OBJ's. One thing I forgot to take into account was by trading away the 23rd pick they cleared an additional $2.0M in needed cap space. Some rumors that the Rams are already looking to sign Cooks to an extension which would probably lower this years cap number.
Tavon Austin probably threw his phone against a wall after seeing this news on Twitter. No way he hits that incentive number now, Cooks does everything Austin does but better. At least OBJ would have had a slightly different role in the offense.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
@RapSheet
The #Rams were interested in Odell Beckham, but the combination of likely trade compensation and future extension made the price exorbitant. There were never serious negotiations.
With ALL that capspace they were worried about cost?
Hmm.
The #Rams were interested in Odell Beckham, but the combination of likely trade compensation and future extension made the price exorbitant. There were never serious negotiations.
With ALL that capspace they were worried about cost?
Hmm.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Smart of the Rams to pass. They get a deep threat for less financial burden and no headaches. They will be able to continue to spread the ball around without players complaining about their role.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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saintfool
Dead sexy
they have'd to pay Aaron Donald, Suh maybe, Gurley, OBJ and Goff within a few years of one another. It's hard to believe they could pay for all with that.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Why do you think Cooks is on his third team already? He’s absolutely a headache and complains about not being the focus of the offense.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Because he’s not being as productive as he should be. Different problem. Teams are acquiring him on hoping to see the light go on. Are you of the opinion that all receivers are the same?
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eNdblu
Footballguy
Isn't one of the reasons he was initially traded away was because he was complaining about his role in the Saints after the arrival of Michael Thomas?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/29/report-brandin-cooks-is-growing-frustrated-with-saints-offense/
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/mike-thomas-brandin-cooks-trade-rumors-twitter-beef
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
I'm glad you know why teams are acquiring Watkins, but I've seen nothing to indicate Cooks was traded for complaining.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Pats were actually trying to extend him and only decided to trade him once they realized they were too far apart - so it doesn't seem like that's why he was traded.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Well, since you clearly think your opinion is so superior that you can be snarky and dismissive, why don’t you share with all of us why Watkins is moving so much? Cooks was definitely shipped from NO for his attitude and complaining so there is history there - or did you miss that? If he’s overvalued himself beyond being resigned so that NE sent him packing, doesn’t that speak to attitude issues as well?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Does it? If your employer wasn't paying as much as you could get on the open market, and you decided to look elsewhere would that signify an attitude issue? I think we sometimes hold these players to a standard that we wouldn't hold other members of the workforce to, just because we root for their uniforms.
If the Pats approached his agent and asked for a number and that number was too high for their liking (and Cooks was not willing to back off his demand) - should that really reflect poorly on him? I don't see it.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I heard the opposite when he was on the Patriots. I just assumed they didn’t want to pay him much like most of the guys they trade away or let walk.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Giants should've traded him before LAST offseason,perhaps even before the 2017 NFL draft.now they're stuck with a player who essentially missed the entire '17 season save for a few games, one who is looking for a mega-deal contract, who is a malcontent..If i'm the Giants front office I'm taking whatever I can get for him.a 2nd? yes. a 3rd? you bet.
whatever it takes to get him off of my roster.
whatever it takes to get him off of my roster.
Yenrub
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
any recent dynasty trades for OBJ?
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I offered OBJ and in return I asked for: 1.01 (2018), 1st round 2019 (unknown)
I got a response of LOLOLOL
I got a response of LOLOLOL
1.04 and 2.04.
However, league is 12 team PPR, 2 QB, IDP, 21 starters with salary cap . Beckham had 2 years left on deal (2018 and 2019) and was 15% of cap (24mil of 177mil)
dipandglide
Footballguy
Nothing of note lately. I did wake up to an offer of OBJ for Gurley (PPR). Which side do you guys have? It's close.JoeSteeler said:
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Thoughts This offer? This is a 16 team ppr IDP dynasty with 53 man rosters.
This is a big Giants fan that is asking what I would want for him. Is this a fair(ish) offer? I have a strong team that was top 3 last year.
OBJ for...
Jimmy G (my only QB is M Ryan)
J Mixon
Vic Beasley
1.14
Next year's first (probably 1.12-1.16)
This is a big Giants fan that is asking what I would want for him. Is this a fair(ish) offer? I have a strong team that was top 3 last year.
OBJ for...
Jimmy G (my only QB is M Ryan)
J Mixon
Vic Beasley
1.14
Next year's first (probably 1.12-1.16)
Snorkelson
Footballguy
For me, I want something a little better, although I don’t know what Beasley is worth. Seems defense starts going early 2nd in those type of leagues, so I want something a little more proven with jimmy/mixon to give up a top 5 startup pick. Even if you only have Matt Ryan, you’ll be playing him at least 50/50 with jimmy if not more. He has a lot of years left. Mixon has a lot of love out there, but I’m a little skeptical of the oline and his pass game usage in cincy. 1.14 is hard to put a value on pre draft, draft I’m doing now it was st Brown. Who knows post nfl draft where the tier breaks will fall. I want more, or more proven/blue chip pieces.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Gurley. The WR longevity here is mitigated by Gurley being 2 years younger. A great RB season is a lot more valuable than a great WR season IMO.
Not to mention the Rams situation looks more stable.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This guy gets it. Lucky we don't all have non-company people following us around determining how well we do our jobs and how much we really earn our money.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
first time dynasty player. any thoughts on this offer?
1.2 (Penny?), 2.1, E Engram, Mike Williams LAC for OBJ
I have 1.1, 2.8, 3.1, 3.8
RBs are Collins, Crowell, Aaron Jones, Gio, Carson and some scrubs
WRs are OBJ, Cooks, Watkins, Jeffery, Snead, Corey Davis and some scrubs
TE is Gathers, Hooper, Seals-Jones
ppr scoring 12 team
1.2 (Penny?), 2.1, E Engram, Mike Williams LAC for OBJ
I have 1.1, 2.8, 3.1, 3.8
RBs are Collins, Crowell, Aaron Jones, Gio, Carson and some scrubs
WRs are OBJ, Cooks, Watkins, Jeffery, Snead, Corey Davis and some scrubs
TE is Gathers, Hooper, Seals-Jones
ppr scoring 12 team
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Those are potentially valuable pieces but they don’t add up to OBJ for me. I’d want an elite dynasty player back and there’s not one in the offer.
Boone22
Footballguy
I’d ask him to upgrade from Mike Williams to a more established and productive WR. If you move OBJ, your WRs become your weak link. You’ll be relying on Cooks and Jeffery week to week and hoping Watkins and Corey Davis start producing. By adding Mike Williams you add another high upside potential WR but you’ll be lacking actual production week to week. Try to get him to swap Mike Williams for a solid dynasty WR#2. Someone like Jarvis Landry, Thielen, or Doug Baldwin would be a good production “now” type player that you could use replace OBJ production right now while you are waiting on Watkins and Davis.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
thoughts if he offered Amari Cooper in place of Williams?
1.2, 2.1, 2.7, Engram, Cooper for OBJ
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Boone22
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Just completed 1.2, 1.6, 2.7, Engram, Cooper for OBJ, Watkins, and Gio
Not thrilled to give up a blue chip like OBJ but taking over an orphan team in desperate need of help at RB this helps me build going forward while not dropping too far down at WR with 1.6 and Cooper
Not thrilled to give up a blue chip like OBJ but taking over an orphan team in desperate need of help at RB this helps me build going forward while not dropping too far down at WR with 1.6 and Cooper
