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1 hour ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Oh the positive side they will always be playing from behind?

Seems Eli has missed him every game for wide open TDs where Eli moved on to his next read too early 

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Eli has no time to get rid of the ball. Hopefully the OL gels and offers some kind of protection for Eli. Until then, it's just easier for him to dump off to Barkley. I'm not worried about the catches and yards, I'm a bit concerned with the lack of TDs. 

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I’m finalizing a deal in redraft to send Ryan/Cooper for OBJ.  Banking on a rebound from him as the season goes on 

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32 minutes ago, ninogaggi said:

I’m finalizing a deal in redraft to send Ryan/Cooper for OBJ.  Banking on a rebound from him as the season goes on 

A good bet.  OBJ has always been a slow starter.  This is actually the second most fantasy points he's ever had through the first month of the season, just a couple points off his career best.

And of course "slow starter" is relative, as OBJ's current PPG would have been good for WR3 last year.  There's just a bunch of high variance fakes up there right now who's PPG are inflated by one big game.  They will fade as the season goes on and OBJ won't.

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1 hour ago, ninogaggi said:

I’m finalizing a deal in redraft to send Ryan/Cooper for OBJ.  Banking on a rebound from him as the season goes on 

that's a steal if you can get that

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32 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

A good bet.  OBJ has always been a slow starter.  This is actually the second most fantasy points he's ever had through the first month of the season, just a couple points off his career best.

And of course "slow starter" is relative, as OBJ's current PPG would have been good for WR3 last year.  There's just a bunch of high variance fakes up there right now who's PPG are inflated by one big game.  They will fade as the season goes on and OBJ won't.

Yeah but...he's only getting dinks and dunks. His YPC is down two yards. If Manning's arm is falling off (considering his age it's certainly possible) there may be no turnaround. I'm quite concerned myself.

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Thinking of offering CMC (no keeper rights) for OBJ (8th rd next year). He’s loaded at WR and is running out Riddick this week as his lone back :yawn:

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1 minute ago, Kwai Chang Caine said:

Yeah but...he's only getting dinks and dunks. His YPC is down two yards. If Manning's arm is falling off (considering his age it's certainly possible) there may be no turnaround. I'm quite concerned myself.

This was one reason I unloaded him in dynasty. 

Traded OBJ, Watkins Gio for what ptetty much ended up being Engram, 1.2 (Guice), 1.11 (Sutton), 2.2 (Gallup), 2.6 (Rosen), 2019 1st (mid to late), 2019 1st (so far 1.1).

I remember last year he was off to a slow start and ended up doing just fine. I'd hold if I had him. If Cooper/Ryan is the going rate, that's crazy. 

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9 minutes ago, Kwai Chang Caine said:

Yeah but...he's only getting dinks and dunks. His YPC is down two yards. If Manning's arm is falling off (considering his age it's certainly possible) there may be no turnaround. I'm quite concerned myself.

Like I said, he's already putting up top 5 WR numbers.  Things are just inflated at the beginning of the season because guys who have one big game are only balancing that out against 4 games instead of 16.

And remember this is all without any TDs, which will certainly come at least to some extent (he's not going to finish with zero).

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5 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Like I said, he's already putting up top 5 WR numbers.  Things are just inflated at the beginning of the season because guys who have one big game are only balancing that out against 4 games instead of 16.

And remember this is all without any TDs, which will certainly come at least to some extent (he's not going to finish with zero).

Where are you seeing "top 5" numbers? He's 22nd in ppr and 27th or lower in standard. I get its early but it is the quarter pole and he's not producing like we are used to and I'd say the blame has to go to his declining QB. And let's not forget, he's a temper tantrum away from losing God knows how many games not to mention becoming a team cancer. 

But I hope your optimism is right, I really do,

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2 minutes ago, Kwai Chang Caine said:

Where are you seeing "top 5" numbers? He's 22nd in ppr and 27th or lower in standard. I get its early but it is the quarter pole and he's not producing like we are used to and I'd say the blame has to go to his declining QB. And let's not forget, he's a temper tantrum away from losing God knows how many games not to mention becoming a team cancer. 

But I hope your optimism is right, I really do,

He's averaging 16.5ppg which last year would have finished as WR4.

That's my point.  It's not really relevant to look at what position he's in right now because most of those guys at the top are going to regress back to their mean.  Calvin Ridley scoring 21ppg doesn't mean that OBJ needs to score 25ppg to outscore him this year.  Ridley is going to fade back to the pack when his 41 point game comes in a sample size of 16 rather than a sample of 4.  The same is true for DJax, Tate, Boyd, Kupp, and a dozen others.

 

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7 hours ago, Elevencents said:

Thinking of offering CMC (no keeper rights) for OBJ (8th rd next year). He’s loaded at WR and is running out Riddick this week as his lone back :yawn:

Well it went through. OBJ (and I was wrong, can keep next year in 7th) for my CMC (no keeper rights). I really hated parting with CMC because I reached for him and everyone thought I was crazy but I still see him finishing top 5. I think I’m taking a hit this year but having OBJ in the 7th next year was the tipping point for me.  

And as stupid as it sounds I hated watching Panther games because Cam pisses me off for a multitude of reasons so I didn’t enjoy having a Panther on my team, haha. 

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OBJ was really pissed this week that the O than is trying to keep Eli Manning upright isn't taking more risks. FOr teh record, I think this is the week Shurmur goes full "Feed The Studs: and we see a lot of Barkley and Beckham.

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Odell Beckham Jr.: “I don’t know” if El Manning is the reason for the Giants’ struggling offense.

This guy is the utmost clown. Eli should hang him out to dry all season long.

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? What's so bad about the comment? He's saying the struggling O has a lot of factors. This is the whole story with more excerpts - https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/odell-beckham-jr-on-if-eli-manning-as-giants-qb-is-an-issue-uh-i-dont-know/297317078

 

I guess his name needs to be Odell Gordon to get a pass on those seemingly tame comments.

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2 minutes ago, tombonneau said:

Well, if Eli won't throw him a touchdown ...

Maybe he can throw the next one to himself. 

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On 8/28/2018 at 7:51 AM, Chaka said:

I appreciate your opinion and I ask questions because I want to understand more.

But I gotta say that it seems the basis of your opinion is thin and feels based far more upon perception than reality.

Then again, perception is reality.

Well this is going just as I suspected. From a fantasy perspective, a big game for Beckham in any game isn't impossible but less and less likely. As this season wears on, I think my point will become clearer and clearer. The question now becomes, will he wear out his welcome this year before they draft their QB of the future next year albeit in an apparently thin class. 

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10 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

Well this is going just as I suspected. From a fantasy perspective, a big game for Beckham in any game isn't impossible but less and less likely. As this season wears on, I think my point will become clearer and clearer. The question now becomes, will he wear out his welcome this year before they draft their QB of the future next year albeit in an apparently thin class. 

Yeah he's only on pace for 120 receptions and 1400 yards now.

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It's weird to see them playing from behind all game, no Engram, and OBJ doesn't absolutely go off. Eli is a big problem, the OL another slightly lesser problem. 

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The TDs are a big disappointment, then again Julio Jones says hi.

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Odell Beckham caught 6-of-10 passes for 44 yards in the Giants' Week 6 loss to the Eagles.

Visibly frustrated all evening, Beckham left the field before the first half was over. He was in the locker room as the G-Men lined up for what would have typically been a Hail Mary attempt. Instead, they threw a screen. Speaking after the game, coach Pat Shurmur claimed Beckham needed an IV. Beckham was amongst the last out of the locker room for the second half, and was soon spotted screaming at a cooling machine. The reason for his frustration was evident to anyone watching the game. Eli Manning simply could not get him the ball on anything but the shortest of passes. The one time Manning tried to find Beckham down the sideline he laughably under-threw the ball. Beckham will look to take out his anger on the Falcons' bottom-tier defense in Week 7.

Oct 11 - 11:40 PM

 

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Eli and the O line deserve some blame but OBJ is not himself. I would bet a lot of money he’s partying with hard drugs. I think he will continue to slip as a player and person. He’s a locker room cancer who only cares about himself. Giants were stupid to pay him all that money. 

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I hate having him on my team.  Dude is such a baby

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12 minutes ago, starks said:

This guys is going to blow the ATL secondary apart. 

Like he just did against the 30th ranked pass defense for WRs? Don’t hold your breath. 

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His behavior is why I traded him away in dynasty. The guy is a nut case when things aren't going well or his way. Shut him down defensively and he shuts down mentally. That will catch up with him someday. 

 

I was wondering why the heck he signed his contract if he "wasn't sure he was happy in New York" as the announcers said last night. Why not test the market and go where you want to go then? 

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The only type of play they can run are quick outs/slants where Eli gets rid of the ball immediately.  The O-line and immobility of Eli are not allowing them to run anything downfield which is where OBJ can gain separation and make the big play.  Because they can't do that there will be lots of games like this one.  I don't see them really trying to go down field because the O-Line/Eli can't generate enough time to let these develop.  A bad situation all around that OBJ is not making any better by his antics.  It is embarrassing at this point.

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17 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

His behavior is why I traded him away in dynasty. The guy is a nut case when things aren't going well or his way. Shut him down defensively and he shuts down mentally. That will catch up with him someday. 

 

I was wondering why the heck he signed his contract if he "wasn't sure he was happy in New York" as the announcers said last night. Why not test the market and go where you want to go then? 

Me too. I traded him straight up for Evans after he fought the kicking net or whatever.  Psycho.  That and you could tell Eli was going to severely limit him back then. 

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18 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

wouldn't give up a single early 1st for him at the moment

even considering the horrid top talent available at RB/WR in the 2019 class?

Name 3 players in next years rookie class you would take over ODB.

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That was really tough to watch last night.

Who is Eli's backup QB this year?

Who are the top QB prospects in next year's draft and are any of them capable of coming in right away and starting for a franchise?

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2 hours ago, ILUVBEER99 said:

even considering the horrid top talent available at RB/WR in the 2019 class?

Name 3 players in next years rookie class you would take over ODB.

Wow... You're going off about 6 month old information there if you really think that. Next year's WR class is loaded and there are potentially 2 first round (NFL draft) RBs. The 2019 WR class could be the best class we've seen in the last 5 years

 

I loved that everyone thought/thinks 2019 is a bad draft. I was able to load up with 6 1st rounders and an extra 2nd for 2019. So far it's looking like I'll have the first 3 picks at least. Looking forward to drafting Bryce Love, AJ Brown, and then will figure it out from there. Maybe Damien Williams depending where he ends up. Traeveon Williams could be a draft riser.. Samuel, Campbell, Hall... all 3 of those WRs could be big.  The Texas Tech duo could be monsters as well. I expect more WRs will be taken round 1 and round 2 than 2018. 

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now 6 1st rounders

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He is starting to legitimately look like a person who is mentally ill. Those close ups of him? Look in those eyes man. I wouldn't want any part of him on my team. Guy is starting to make Terrell Owens look like a Man of the Year candidate.  

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traded for him last week and was loving life, get to watch him this week and yikes.

 

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27 minutes ago, Kwai Chang Caine said:

He is starting to legitimately look like a person who is mentally ill. Those close ups of him? Look in those eyes man. I wouldn't want any part of him on my team. Guy is starting to make Terrell Owens look like a Man of the Year candidate.  

how else do you explain signing a big extension and then hating your team?

 

Funny thing is a year ago many said the same thing- off to a slow start, hes crazy, its catching up to him, whatever. I was one of those people. Then he still had a great season. 

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2 hours ago, ILUVBEER99 said:

even considering the horrid top talent available at RB/WR in the 2019 class?

Name 3 players in next years rookie class you would take over ODB.

I agree.

2019 looks depressingly mediocre, maybe worse.

It's early, but it's not looking good at all, IMO.

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Giants should've traded him, pre draft..They won't win more than 2 more games, probably beat the Colts and the Niners and that's it. They can't run with the Falcons please just stop.They wont beat the Eagles, probably get swept by Redskins, lose to Dallas, Bears, Titans, Bucs. I think we're sitting on the #1 pick next year..

None of the teams vying for that top spot in next years draft, need a QB - Oak, Indy, Az, Falcons, Niners. Giants will get the best QB in the 2019 draft if they want him. but they need so much help in other positions that it makes perfect sense to trade away OBJ and get as many picks as you can - take the best offer and run with it.

get rid of the blond hair, hyper drama queening jackwagon once and for all.

BTW he would've had 2-4 more recs lat night but he INSISTS on trying to make every single catch with one hand. every.single.catch. 

Of ALL the teams that desperately need OBJ it is Green Bay. or SF. or Oaktown, Dallas, NE, etc.

just ask for a 1st and something else and get rid of him. you can rebuild in next year's draft! 

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23 minutes ago, Football Jones said:

I agree.

2019 looks depressingly mediocre, maybe worse.

It's early, but it's not looking good at all, IMO.

I disagree completely. this is a stacked class. but to each their own. a year ago people were saying 2018 was going to be depressing aside from barkely. how quick things change in 2 months 

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42 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

I disagree completely. this is a stacked class. but to each their own. a year ago people were saying 2018 was going to be depressing aside from barkely. how quick things change in 2 months 

I had it just the opposite last year & I believe I wasn't the only one. In fact, if I'm remembering right, 2018 was looked at as a loaded class by the vast majority of FFers. 8 good RBs, great QB class, & some underrated WRs like Sutton & Ridley.

I'm also not the only one who's down on the 2019 class in general. I'm not saying there aren't potential studs, but it doesn't look like a typical good class right now, IMO.

That said, I guess this is a discussion for another thread.

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41 minutes ago, Tanner9919 said:

Giants should've traded him, pre draft..They won't win more than 2 more games, probably beat the Colts and the Niners and that's it. They can't run with the Falcons please just stop.They wont beat the Eagles, probably get swept by Redskins, lose to Dallas, Bears, Titans, Bucs. I think we're sitting on the #1 pick next year..

None of the teams vying for that top spot in next years draft, need a QB - Oak, Indy, Az, Falcons, Niners. Giants will get the best QB in the 2019 draft if they want him. but they need so much help in other positions that it makes perfect sense to trade away OBJ and get as many picks as you can - take the best offer and run with it.

Why would them being a bad team this year mean they should trade a 25 year old stud WR?  They have plenty of time to rebuild while Beckham is still in his prime.

Like you said they'll get their shot at a QB in the 2019 class and have their Barkley/Beckham/QB trio for half a dozen years.

The sideline blowup will blow over like it always does.  At least his blowups are because he wants to win and not because he's mad he's not getting force fed the ball every play like other great receivers in the past.

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