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29 minutes ago, Jello_Biafra said:

Because you're getting ahead of yourself. You're looking for them to run up scores when they haven't proven anything yet. They have the arsenal, but if I'm the Browns I just want to make it to .500

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According ESPN's Tony Grossi, Odell Beckham is expected to report for the start of the Browns' offseason program on Monday.

Beckham was reportedly taken aback by his trade to Cleveland, particularly after inking a five-year extension with the Giants last summer. Despite his initial disappointment, the star receiver is expected to report on time for OTAs. Most teams don't begin their offseason workouts until mid-April but the Browns are allowed to get an early start after hiring a new coach, Freddie Kitchen. Reunited with college teammate Jarvis Landry and playing with one of the league's top young quarterbacks in Baker Mayfield, it shouldn't take long for Beckham to warm up to Cleveland.

SOURCE: ESPN.com

Mar 27, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Was kind of hoping the consistent non-stories would stop now that OBJ was out of the Big Apple.  Guess not.

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does this kind of a story impact your dynasty value for him?

I had offered a heck of a trade for him, saw this article, and scrambled to revoke it so I could think it over. luckily it was oddly rejected

 

Is this an over blown story, or just another sign of a headcase diva? 

Just seems to be par for the course in general. OBJ will show up and probably be really good and still a headcase. I just dont see this ending well at all; hes a ticking time bomb IMO 

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37 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

does this kind of a story impact your dynasty value for him?

I had offered a heck of a trade for him, saw this article, and scrambled to revoke it so I could think it over. luckily it was oddly rejected

 

Is this an over blown story, or just another sign of a headcase diva? 

Just seems to be par for the course in general. OBJ will show up and probably be really good and still a headcase. I just dont see this ending well at all; hes a ticking time bomb IMO 

It's only a story if you make it a story for the hundreds of other guys not at voluntary practice 

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6 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

It's only a story if you make it a story for the hundreds of other guys not at voluntary practice 

Yes, I agree that the media makes too much of guys not at a voluntary practice in May. It's just when you think of a guy on a new team, he wants to win, he is unhappy to be there... at least at first, he shows up to day 1 then is a no show... That's a bit of smoke for a guy who is known to be an emotional guy. 

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14 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Yes, I agree that the media makes too much of guys not at a voluntary practice in May. It's just when you think of a guy on a new team, he wants to win, he is unhappy to be there... at least at first, he shows up to day 1 then is a no show... That's a bit of smoke for a guy who is known to be an emotional guy. 

Smoke?

Yeesh.  I see no smoke

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28 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Smoke?

Yeesh.  I see no smoke

eye of the beholder I guess. 

 

answers my question 

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27 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

 That's a bit of smoke for a guy who is known to be an emotional guy. 

You can see smoke or you can see an opportunity to buy when others see smoke.  I don't play dynasty but I'm in a 4 player keeper league with no restrictions on how long the players can be kept, so similar but obviously  different.  Anyway, over the last two year I traded for  OBJ and AB when others were wary of the "smoke".  One of my other keepers is Zeke and I'm not too concerned about the potential off field issues because these guys are so productive when they play.

Back to OBJ, I thought he showed growth/maturity last year off the field, hes only 25, and he averages over 16 PPG in 1/2 PPR for his career so I'll take that all day, off field "issues" be damned.

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35 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Yes, I agree that the media makes too much of guys not at a voluntary practice in May. It's just when you think of a guy on a new team, he wants to win, he is unhappy to be there... at least at first, he shows up to day 1 then is a no show... That's a bit of smoke for a guy who is known to be an emotional guy. 

You are overblowing this. The media stirs this #### up, in the hopes that people actually believe it's a story. If it was Julio Jones we wouldn't hear a word. Beckham draws the media like flies. Hope he blows up this year and shuts everyone up.

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5 minutes ago, Jello_Biafra said:

You are overblowing this. The media stirs this #### up, in the hopes that people actually believe it's a story. If it was Julio Jones we wouldn't hear a word. Beckham draws the media like flies. Hope he blows up this year and shuts everyone up.

Fair enough, but if Julio was traded to a new team, was disappointed in being traded, and then skipped OTAs after going to the first one, I'd hope the media would cover it. If not then I'd completely agree with you. 

 

I feel like this is the fall back all of the OBJ owners use to justify his behavior, "if anyone else did it, it wouldnt be news." Except I have never seen a single example where someone did something identical to OBJ, and in the same context, and it wasnt a big deal in the media. 

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3 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

 Except I have never seen a single example where someone did something identical to OBJ, and in the same context, and it wasnt a big deal in the media. 

Have you ever seen an example where it was?

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10 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

Have you ever seen an example where it was?

that's a poor argument. I'm not the one saying "the media makes this a big deal. they wouldnt for Julio." Julios not a headcase who makes you scratch your head. However, to answer your question- yes, leveon bell is on a new team, skipping otas, and there are plenty of articles on it. the only difference is the coach isn't calling him out publicly 

I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm surprised by the lack of concern, but that's fine. DLF people seem to be looking at this from a different angle than SP posters, which is why I asked. it's interesting 

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3 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

that's a poor argument. I'm not the one saying "the media makes this a big deal. they wouldnt for Julio." Julios not a headcase who makes you scratch your head. However, to answer your question- yes, leveon bell is on a new team, skipping otas, and there are plenty of articles on it. the only difference is the coach isn't calling him out publicly 

I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm surprised by the lack of concern, but that's fine. DLF people seem to be looking at this from a different angle than SP posters, which is why I asked. it's interesting 

I think you're going to see a trend of top paid veteran players sitting out OTAs. As they should. It's a terrible risk/reward scenario for them. 

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5 minutes ago, tombonneau said:

I think you're going to see a trend of top paid veteran players sitting out OTAs. As they should. It's a terrible risk/reward scenario for them. 

Is it? They've already signed their big deals, gotten their guaranteed money. I understand a highly paid vet not wanting to go, but at the same time I dont see how it would impact them financially if they got hurt- unless their contract has some injury clause. 

I'm a little confused why a skill position player would not show up to OTAs on a new team, especially when they want to win. 

Yes, OTAs are stupid, make them mandatory or dont do them at all. Every year we see these stories. I can see vets missing these, especially highly paid ones, but new players I'd want to show more desire to learn the offense and form a rhythm with their new qb. 

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3 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

that's a poor argument. I'm not the one saying "the media makes this a big deal. they wouldnt for Julio." Julios not a headcase who makes you scratch your head. However, to answer your question- yes, leveon bell is on a new team, skipping otas, and there are plenty of articles on it. the only difference is the coach isn't calling him out publicly 

I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm surprised by the lack of concern, but that's fine. DLF people seem to be looking at this from a different angle than SP posters, which is why I asked. it's interesting 

I don't see this being discussed on DLF. Link? Curious to see what they're saying.

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On ‎3‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 10:49 AM, Jed said:

He wants a new deal. :lmao:

You nailed it...…..

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Odell Beckham confirmed his participation in this week's minicamp.

OBJ has largely been a no-show this offseason, drawing the ire of head coach Freddie Kitchens. Luckily that will change Tuesday when he arrives for mandatory minicamp, where Beckham will look to build a rapport with Baker Mayfield. Drama comes with the territory with Beckham, but obviously the 25-year-old has the potential to be a huge fantasy asset when healthy and motivated.

SOURCE: Akron Beacon-Journal

Jun 2, 2019, 10:27 AM ET

 

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On 6/1/2019 at 11:07 AM, Dr. Dan said:

OTAs are stupid, make them mandatory or dont do them at all. Every year we see these stories. I can see vets missing these, especially highly paid ones, but new players I'd want to show more desire to learn the offense and form a rhythm with their new qb. 

Desire and form a rhythm with the QB?  In hopes of attaining what exactly?

Maybe you are focusing on the wrong thing.

OBJ brings this skill.

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This route by Odell is straight filthy

The Checkdown‏Verified account @thecheckdown

This route by Odell is straight filthy. @obj

9:51 AM - 30 May 2019

A Lifelong Football Theorist‏ @MrBennyBobo May 30

Filthier than a couch from a porn scene.

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That is a small taste of what OBJ brings to an NFL and fantasy team along with 'Kardashian-eske' drama.

If you focus in on and build up the drama making it more important than his rare football skills then you are missing the point.

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I feel like he's the guy that is going to blow up when he's got a chance to win.  Could be a monster year.  

That's mitigated, in my eyes, by his frequent missed games.  Maybe this is the year he's fully healthy and goes nuts.

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There are so many mouths to feed in CLE now, I don't think he gets the amount of targets he got in NY.  He's still a WR1, but I don't think he's going to put up the amount of points he did with the NYG, particularly in PPR leagues.  That said, I can see him getting more yards per reception since things will be more open for him in CLE with so many other talented players to draw attention.  IMO it was a big mistake for Gettleman to trade him away.  Barkley is now the only playmaker in NY.  That offense is going to be ugly.

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3 hours ago, RC94 said:

There are so many mouths to feed in CLE now, I don't think he gets the amount of targets he got in NY.  He's still a WR1, but I don't think he's going to put up the amount of points he did with the NYG, particularly in PPR leagues.  That said, I can see him getting more yards per reception since things will be more open for him in CLE with so many other talented players to draw attention.  IMO it was a big mistake for Gettleman to trade him away.  Barkley is now the only playmaker in NY.  That offense is going to be ugly.

I think he will make up for it with more big games than what we he was able to produce in NYG. Would not be surprised if he flirted with a 300 yard game this season.

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3 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

I think he will make up for it with more big games than what we he was able to produce in NYG. Would not be surprised if he flirted with a 300 yard game this season.

So a Chad Johnson like season with 8 games 4/45 and 5 games 11/250/3...

Good luck

 

ETA: FTR Cleveland WRs have the worst/hardest SOS weeks 14-16 per FBG

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15 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

So a Chad Johnson like season with 8 games 4/45 and 5 games 11/250/3...

Good luck

 

ETA: FTR Cleveland WRs have the worst/hardest SOS weeks 14-16 per FBG

Talk to me again in Week 8 or 10 and tell me what their SOS looks like.  The idea that you can accurately predict defensive performance based on the previous year's finish has been blown out of the water repeatedly.

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1 hour ago, tangfoot said:

Talk to me again in Week 8 or 10 and tell me what their SOS looks like.  The idea that you can accurately predict defensive performance based on the previous year's finish has been blown out of the water repeatedly.

Clayton Gray is the one who should talk to you, not me. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Dan said:

Clayton Gray is the one who should talk to you, not me. 

Who is more fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool?

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2 hours ago, tangfoot said:

Who is more fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool?

Depends on your point of view.

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3 hours ago, tangfoot said:

Who is more fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool?

All I did was repeat what he said. I missed the part where I said he's right. just delivering information and people can do whatever they want with it

 

I think it does raise a good question: 

Do people think CIN, AZ, BAL scream high scoring affairs?

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41 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

All I did was repeat what he said. I missed the part where I said he's right. just delivering information and people can do whatever they want with it

 

I think it does raise a good question: 

Do people think CIN, AZ, BAL scream high scoring affairs?

Cincy and Arizona I imagine will give up a lot of yards and points. Bmore no.

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33 minutes ago, Cobbler1 said:

Cincy and Arizona I imagine will give up a lot of yards and points. Bmore no.

What I'm asking is do you think the opposing offenses will cause the Browns to have to keep up with them and score a lot of points? 

Sure, the Browns could pile it on and win 42-6, but I'm more interested in the 42-38 game where both teams are forced to throw the ball a lot, and hopefully to my wrs. 

So SOS grades arent just how good an opposing teams DBs or Defense is, it's the offense and how many fantasy points thelat team gave up to wrs last year, and using that information to make an educated decision on if you think either that teams defense got better or offense got better causing your wrs offense to have to throw a lot more. 

42-6 does you no good when Chubb has 200/3 because all they did was run the ball not having a need to pass

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15 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

What I'm asking is do you think the opposing offenses will cause the Browns to have to keep up with them and score a lot of points? 

Sure, the Browns could pile it on and win 42-6, but I'm more interested in the 42-38 game where both teams are forced to throw the ball a lot, and hopefully to my wrs. 

So SOS grades arent just how good an opposing teams DBs or Defense is, ita how many fantasy points they gave up to wrs last year, and using that information to make an educated decision on if you think either that teams defense got better or offense got better causing your wrs offense to have to throw a lot more. 

42-6 does you no good when Chubb has 200/3 because all they did was run the ball not having a need to pass

Yeah I dunno man I think you’re really limiting yourself if your criteria for wrs is limited to wrs who play on teams with good passing offenses but with a defense that isn’t good enough to keep the opposition in a low scoring game all while playing teams with good offenses but not good passing defenses weeks 14-16. 42-38 is rare. 42-6 is rare. Guessing the score/game flow in June of games in December is kind of wild. If I had to do it I’d guess a 23-20 kind of game vs Bmore, a 30-16 kind of game vs Cincy and a 38-17 kind of game vs Arizona. All of which means very little as we won’t know the injuries, weather, etc.

I don’t think that looking ahead to playoff schedules is completely worthless in some contexts. But being afraid of a blowout holding down my wrs passing game seems a little over the top to me. I do think that Arizona and Cincy will be in some high scoring games because they both should have weak defenses and Arizona’s coach seems to want to run a ton of plays per game and Cincy has the offensive skill players to score some points.

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Just now, Cobbler1 said:

Yeah I dunno man I think you’re really limiting yourself if your criteria for wrs is limited to wrs who play on teams with good passing offenses but with a defense that isn’t good enough to keep the opposition in a low scoring game all while playing teams with good offenses but not good passing defenses weeks 14-16. 42-38 is rare. 42-6 is rare. Guessing the score/game flow in June of games in December is kind of wild. If I had to do it I’d guess a 23-20 kind of game vs Bmore, a 30-16 kind of game vs Cincy and a 38-17 kind of game vs Arizona. All of which means very little as we won’t know the injuries, weather, etc.

I don’t think that looking ahead to playoff schedules is completely worthless in some contexts. But being afraid of a blowout holding down my wrs passing game seems a little over the top to me. I do think that Arizona and Cincy will be in some high scoring games because they both should have weak defenses and Arizona’s coach seems to want to run a ton of plays per game and Cincy has the offensive skill players to score some points.

It shouldnt shift anyone away from beckham by itself. it's just one thing, and as tangfoot noted, the teams could be totally different come week 14 

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

It shouldnt shift anyone away from beckham by itself. it's just one thing, and as tangfoot noted, the teams could be totally different come week 14 

Agreed.

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On 6/25/2019 at 11:13 AM, RC94 said:

There are so many mouths to feed in CLE now, I don't think he gets the amount of targets he got in NY.  He's still a WR1, but I don't think he's going to put up the amount of points he did with the NYG, particularly in PPR leagues.  That said, I can see him getting more yards per reception since things will be more open for him in CLE with so many other talented players to draw attention.  IMO it was a big mistake for Gettleman to trade him away.  Barkley is now the only playmaker in NY.  That offense is going to be ugly.

Why does this narrative exist?  The other mouths to feed in NYG are at least as good as in Cleveland if not better.

Chubb+Duke combined is basically just a crappier version of Barkley that demands fewer targets (Saquon had a whopping 121 last year).  Landry will be lucky to see Shepard's 107 targets from last year, and Njoku's upside is that he may get the kind of target share that Evan Engram does.

Shepard/Engram/Barkley got 292 targets last year versus 328 for Chubb/Duke/Landry/Njoku and that was with Engram missing 5 games and with OBJ on the Giants.  Those targets are obviously going to go way up for the NYG crew and way down for the Cleveland crew.  Rushing attempts were roughly the same.

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1 hour ago, Bracie Smathers said:

OBJ just threw it the whole length of the field

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OBJ just threw it the whole length of the field (via jpqz/IG)

5:14 PM - 10 Jul 2019

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Joe Haden is impressed.

I still say OBJ was the best QB on the Giants roster last year.

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Posted (edited)

... this dude is ####### nuts.

 

Look, I'm a Giants fan and among Giants fans I probably explained away most of his quirks more than others. But "felt disrespected" and "mulled retirement"? After the money the Giants paid for him? After all the pampering and coddling they did? All the snide remarks and stuff he talked about other players when you are supposed to "keep it in house"? Get the fukkety #### outta here with that ####.

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1 minute ago, The Frankman said:

... this dude is ####### nuts.

Yeah, you actually wonder if it's not Terrell Owens-type of behavior at this point.  

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3 hours ago, rockaction said:

Yeah, you actually wonder if it's not Terrell Owens-type of behavior at this point.  

Seems like a good comparison but I wonder if that’s the worst thing though.  As in, both divas who work really hard and produce consistently. 

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Just now, DAG said:

Maybe so. I wonder if that’s the worst comparison though? Both divas who work really hard and produce consistently. 

That's an absolutely fair point, and I always merely winced over Terrell. I couldn't believe his Super Bowl. At some point, though, it seemed like he (TO) had a deleterious effect on his team.   

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