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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

He insinuated the guy coached people to hurt him. Wait, he didn't insinuate. Sounds like he flat out said. There's something very wrong with what Gregg Williams did back in NO; there's also something unseemly about accusing him of doing it again.

/Jets homer

To be fair he was saying that the Browns players who played for Gregg last year, told him that. Those are primary sources! 

And he didn't accuse him of paying incentives to hurt opposes players, at least, which is what really got him in NO. Just encouraging them to do it for the money they're already making lol. 

 

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Just now, ConnSKINS26 said:

To be fair he was saying that the Browns players who played for Gregg last year, told him that. Those are primary sources! 

And he didn't accuse him of paying incentives to hurt opposes players, at least, which is what really got him in NO. Just encouraging them to do it for the money they're already making lol.

If Williams is still coaching that way and Odell has primary sources that aren't lying, then by all means talk about it. I don't want my Jets homerism to get in the way of odious stuff like that.

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5 minutes ago, rockaction said:

If Williams is still coaching that way and Odell has primary sources that aren't lying, then by all means talk about it. I don't want my Jets homerism to get in the way of odious stuff like that.

 

I think there's a thin line with stuff like this. We all as football fans recognize sayings like "you have to hit the QB, get him on the ground" and while we all acknowledge that the point of that isn't to purposely injure the guy (even though if you did your odds of winning go way up), but to shake him up and give him happy feet in the pocket...it's not a super far cry from saying "hit him so hard he needs to head to the sideline". So it is the type of thing that would probably not hold up under close inspection as being technically dirty. I'm sure it was more about hitting OBJ hard because it's easy to get into his head and throw him off his game, etc. But coming from a guy like Gregg, you can never be sure. The guy sucks when it comes to stuff like this, and the Browns players and OBJ obviously interpreted it in the worst possible way--which is what happens when you lose the benefit of the doubt in a league where everyone knows everyone and are mostly buddy buddy off the field.

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Rich Cimini‏Verified account @RichCimini 9m9 minutes ago

#Jets expect Odell Beckham to bring his A game in return to MetLife Stadium.

In his 30 games there, he scored 23 Rec TD and averaged 96.7 yards per game.

That’s the most Rec YPG at a single stadium by any player in NFL history (min. 30 games), per Elias. #Browns

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Odell Beckham caught 6-of-10 targets for 161 yards and one touchdown in the Browns' 23-3, Week 2 win over the Jets Monday night.

In his mid-week presser, former Browns interim coach-turned Jets DC Gregg Williams refused to admit OBJ is a dynamic playmaker in this league after responding "Odell who?" when asked about Beckham. OBJ went on to make a spectacular one-handed, 33-yard grab down the right sideline for his first catch of the game, nearly recreating "The Catch," before later ripping off an 89-yard touchdown where he ran untouched through the middle of Williams' defense. It was the longest touchdown of Beckham's career. OBJ's return to MetLife Stadium couldn't have gone any better. He'll do battle with Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib next Sunday night against the Rams.

Sep 16, 2019, 11:18 PM ET

 

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Odell Beckham caught 6-of-9 targets for 56 yards in Week 3 against the Rams.

Beckham and Jarvis Landry both had a team-high nine targets. This was an obvious step back after Beckham went off for 161 yards last week. Beckham couldn’t get anything going downfield, though it could have been a worse night for him in a game Baker Mayfield threw for just 195 yards. Even with the Browns offensive line struggling, Beckham will remain a WR1 for a matchup with the Ravens in Week 4.

Sep 22, 2019, 11:52 PM ET

 

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Odell Beckham caught just 2-of-7 targets for 20 yards in the Browns' Week 4 win over the Ravens.

Beckham was draped in top CB Marlon Humphrey's coverage all afternoon, and Humphrey was winning that battle much of the time. OBJ has been held to 71 scoreless yards or fewer in three of the Browns' four games this season. It's been a bit of a sluggish start to the year. With 25% of the season in the books, OBJ is on pace to catch 84 balls for 1,232 yards and four scores. We'd obviously take the over on that touchdown number. OBJ gets the Niners in Week 5.

Sep 29, 2019, 6:31 PM ET

 

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No one has shut down Odell Beckham Jr. this season better than his coach, Freddie Kitchens. He has turned Beckham Jr. from a home-run threat to a bunting specialist, if you'll allow the mixed sports metaphors.

 

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Mayfield has completed just 5 of 14 pass attempts to Beckham when Beckham is more than 10 yards downfield. Ugh.

 

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"bunting specialist" who is STILL on pace for nearly 1250yds despite a "disastrous" start?

ok.

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Baker through 4 games this year:  1147yds, 4 TD, 6 INT

Eli through 4 games last year: 1065yds, 4 TD, 1 INT

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Odell Beckham caught just 2-of-6 targets for 27 yards in the Browns' Week 5 loss to the 49ers.

Yikes. OBJ had 2-20 last week on seven targets in the win over the Ravens, but since the Browns won that game, it was okay. The Browns put three points on the board in this one and got blown out of the building. Baker Mayfield has been atrocious behind one of the worst offensive lines in football. Coaches tried to get the ball in OBJ's hands, giving him a couple rushing attempts that totaled 15 yards while also letting him throw it once. That went for a 20-yard completion to Jarvis Landry. But OBJ also fumbled a punt return away. Outside of his Week 2 against the Jets that resulted in 6-161-1, it's been a bad five weeks to start OBJ's Browns career. He'll be a WR2 next week against the Seahawks.

 

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Ugh. Wow. Brutal. Can’t bench him. Brutal schedule coming up too. 
 

trying to trade him for Mack. 

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How low is his value in dynasty sinking? I have him in one league and was thinking of acquiring in another, but not sure I want to be doubling down on the Browns at this point.

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Uh Houston, we have a problem.........

 

 

 

 

I couldnt have been more wrong about Odel and the year he is having.  Holy crap how did it get so bad?

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He’ll get fed as soon as he lashes out about his lack of targets - perhaps this week.  

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2 hours ago, tombonneau said:

How low is his value in dynasty sinking? I have him in one league and was thinking of acquiring in another, but not sure I want to be doubling down on the Browns at this point.

I think it depends on whether you're looking to acquire for the longer term and if his current owner is worried and willing to sell at a discount. For this season I don't think he'll produce well apart from a game here and there. The offense is a shambles and I think Kitchens is in over his head. Mayfield is brutal. And so on. I'll admit to being a Beckham truther (obviously - my avatar) and I have to say I'm a bit worried, but within a reasonable range -- it could be that his days as a top 4 dynasty WR are behind him, but I'm not ready to assume that just yet. He still looks special out there to me: fluid, fast, explosive. He's obviously struggling along with the rest of the offense. But Mayfield could come around, Kitchens could be replaced or could grow into the HC role more (I do think he wasn't ready and should be replaced but I wonder if the Browns pull the trigger after one year).  

Things change fast and Beckham is still young. I think he's being subjected to our tendency in dynasty to start throwing dirt over players after they reach the ripe old age of 26, and you have to add concerns about his head/personal dislike into the equation. Again, I'm not going to say I'm unconcerned. He hasn't produced elite numbers for a stretch now and that can't be ignored. But I could certainly see buying from a concerned owner as long as you're not expecting great numbers this year and can get him at a decent price. 

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Been offered gurley for him straight up in ppr and I'm seriously considering it. Gurley isn't the same but this brown offense blows. Mayfield and kitchens are in over their head. How he doesn't get double digit targets a week is just waisting him. It's also a waste to the draft picks they sent to the giants. They traded for a guy and barely use him.

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2nd time I watched CLE...first time was the NYJ game.  Even back then, something felt off.  But last night...wow.  Mayfield has regressed terribly.  They’re using OBJ as a gadget guy.  The whole thing felt so discombobulated.

Plus, you can tell OBJ is pressing...that punt return was ridiculous, both in terms of its carelessness and it’s visions of grandeur.

Kitchens should be one and done.

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anyone who was down on him prior to the season was just trying to justify trading him away.

Happy my deal for him fell through, but I got Diggs instead so that didnt turn out well either lol. 

 

To pump the brakes on this pity party, OBJ isnt scoring much less than some guys whom people are excited over. It's just the expectations were super high and he isnt getting the volume to make up for the poor offense (surprise). 

 

Funny how these trades work out; everyone thought Dallas gave up way too much for Cooper. PIT sold AB for pennies on the dollar. NYG got nothing for OBJ. 

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37 minutes ago, pantherclub said:

 Holy crap how did it get so bad?

Apparently Baker looks worse than Eli.

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2 minutes ago, TheDirtyWord said:

2nd time I watched CLE...first time was the NYJ game.  Even back then, something felt off.  But last night...wow.  Mayfield has regressed terribly.  They’re using OBJ as a gadget guy.  The whole thing felt so discombobulated.

Plus, you can tell OBJ is pressing...that punt return was ridiculous, both in terms of its carelessness and it’s visions of grandeur.

Kitchens should be one and done.

This offense is showing the tell tale signs of a coach trying to fit players into his scheme, not tailoring a scheme to fit the talent around you.  Mayfield isn't this terrible, but the playcalling sure doesn't fit his talent set.

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8 minutes ago, InDitkaWeTrust said:

This offense is showing the tell tale signs of a coach trying to fit players into his scheme, not tailoring a scheme to fit the talent around you.  Mayfield isn't this terrible, but the playcalling sure doesn't fit his talent set.

He may not be this terrible, but he certainly looks spooked right now.  This bailing out of the pocket thing with him is a concern.  I know his OL stinks, but once you start seeing/feeling ghosts...

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28 minutes ago, InDitkaWeTrust said:

This offense is showing the tell tale signs of a coach trying to fit players into his scheme, not tailoring a scheme to fit the talent around you.  Mayfield isn't this terrible, but the playcalling sure doesn't fit his talent set.

It's easy to claim every players problems on coaching. It's a lot worse than that. Mayfield should hit the bench for a week or 2 because he is completely rattled and playing brutal. And he's making the line look even worse because he's stepping right towards the pressure. Just blitz to the right side and he doesn't know what to do. This is getting into Gabbert territory it was so bad this week.

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28 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

To pump the brakes on this pity party, OBJ isnt scoring much less than some guys whom people are excited over. It's just the expectations were super high and he isnt getting the volume to make up for the poor offense (surprise).

Exactly. Beckham is in good company this year with guys like Hopkins and Evans. And I’ve seen posts in other forums (e.g. DLF) about whether Hopkins is starting to decline. It’s worth constantly evaluating guys in dynasty but sometimes you have to wait things out on young talented players, especially ones with proven track records. I’m awful about looking forward, constantly peeking over exit value ledges. So I get it. But some deep breathing is good policy here. 

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37 minutes ago, TheDirtyWord said:

2nd time I watched CLE...first time was the NYJ game.  Even back then, something felt off.  But last night...wow.  Mayfield has regressed terribly.  They’re using OBJ as a gadget guy.  The whole thing felt so discombobulated.

Plus, you can tell OBJ is pressing...that punt return was ridiculous, both in terms of its carelessness and it’s visions of grandeur.

Kitchens should be one and done.

I'm thinking they're using him as a gadget guy because Mayfield isn't targeting him much and able to get him the ball. They just want to make him happy so they will keep trying to give him the ball, but it is definitely forcing the issue.

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Who would have thought Eli Manning was so much better for OBJ than Baker? 

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14 minutes ago, TheDirtyWord said:

He may not be this terrible, but he certainly looks spooked right now.  This bailing out of the pocket thing with him is a concern.  I know his OL stinks, but once you start seeing/feeling ghosts...

They have a top 3 WR in Beckham, arguably the best slot receiver in the league with Landry, and a solid RB in Chubb who can catch the ball.  The offense needs to be quicker shots to get these guys in space.  The little I've seen from this offense has been longer reads, shots downfield and Mayfield getting clobbered.

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5 hours ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

I'm thinking they're using him as a gadget guy because Mayfield isn't targeting him much and able to get him the ball. They just want to make him happy so they will keep trying to give him the ball, but it is definitely forcing the issue.

I love these takes. Designing plays to get one of your best playmakers the ball in space is done to "make him happy". 

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14 minutes ago, Wise Old Owl said:

I love these takes. Designing plays to get one of your best playmakers the ball in space is done to "make him happy". 

Obviously there is more to it than just that, but I think it plays a role, even just a small one.

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11 minutes ago, smcindoe said:

Anyone looking to buy low?

I'm thinking you might be able to wait till after New England or Buffalo games.

I have A-Rob and I'm not even sure I want to offer him in a package for OBJ.

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5 minutes ago, Gottabesweet said:

I'm thinking you might be able to wait till after New England or Buffalo games.

I have A-Rob and I'm not even sure I want to offer him in a package for OBJ.

I just bought him & DeSean Jackson for Waller (had Kittle too) and Calvin Ridley. This was before the MNF game.

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I was offered gurley straight up for him and personally I'm not selling low at all. Can't speak for others but he's a top 5 talent. If kitchens can get his head outa the sand and just design plays such as a quick slant for him he will be fine. He should see double digit targets a game. I'm riding this train the whole year. He has too much talent to trade away for pennies on the dollar.

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18 minutes ago, smcindoe said:

Anyone looking to buy low?

The FBG Top 200 stuff gets pretty interesting sometimes.  Right now with my league settings, it says that Odell has less value than RB3 types like Ronald Jones, Royce Freeman, Miles Sanders, Shady McCoy, and that either Breida or Coleman would be a significant overpay.

I'd buy all day if that's all it takes.

FWIW, Dave Richards (CBS) has Odell in a tier with guys like Josh Jacobs, James Conner.  Sounds a lot more reasonable IMO.

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I offered up Hopkins for OBJ and either Waller or Andrews (I really need a TE and the guy also has Kelce) and was turned down. 

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34 minutes ago, smcindoe said:

Anyone looking to buy low?

v. Seattle after the recent stretch of games

BYE

@ NE

@ DEN

v. BUF

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Now's only the right time to buy if the current Odell owner is absolutely desperate for wins and values him accordingly (possible) or is the type of owner that may just shut it down and stop checking in. Otherwise, the right time would be sometime during that stretch. Just don't wait too long as eventually Browns fantasy playoff schedules will start getting in the competition's orbit.

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2 hours ago, davearm said:

The FBG Top 200 stuff gets pretty interesting sometimes.  Right now with my league settings, it says that Odell has less value than RB3 types like Ronald Jones, Royce Freeman, Miles Sanders, Shady McCoy, and that either Breida or Coleman would be a significant overpay.

I'd buy all day if that's all it takes.

FWIW, Dave Richards (CBS) has Odell in a tier with guys like Josh Jacobs, James Conner.  Sounds a lot more reasonable IMO.

The Top 200 forward really needs to be better. it's all over the place every day.  Some players bye's mess it all up.  In my setting OBJ is WR13 rest of season (behind DJ Chark)

Overall he's 35th around the DJ Chark, Mark Andrews, Chris Carson, Boyd, Conner, Brees, Dissly? range.

But FBG protects themselves WR10-22 all are like 165-155 points for rest of season.

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