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Politics and War in Ukraine (2 Viewers)

timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Riversco said:
timschochet said:
Earlier this morning I asked critics of Obama on this issue to explain what the President should be either doing or saying that he is not. I'm still waiting.
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What is wrong with you? This post is a like a monkey flinging poo at random people and then beating its chest and jumping around. No-one here wants to read 10 pages of you baiting others into a useless political debate.
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I'm not baiting anyone. This thread is filled with people ripping Obama. But no specifics are offered. What should he do?
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For one, not say there will be consequences when there won't really be any consequences that matter.
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But there will be consequences. We're not going to get involved militarily, but we could make an impact economically in many many ways. We have all sorts of trade agreements with Russia and new ones that need approval. All kinds of things we are working on could come to a halt if the aggression becomes more serious. There is also the question of our selling military hardware to Russia's neighbors, which Boeing and other companies have been urging for years and which Putin is opposed to. And then there are oil and natural gas contracts- Obama was 100% correct to say there will be consequences.
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You think Putin doesn't know that? Obviously, he took all of it under consideration and decided it doesn't matter.
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Of course he knows it. As to whether or not it matters, let's see just how far Putin goes. So far this is all show and bluster. I doubt it will go much beyond that.
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Invading a sovereign country is "show and bluster"?

 
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Riversco said:
timschochet said:
Earlier this morning I asked critics of Obama on this issue to explain what the President should be either doing or saying that he is not. I'm still waiting.
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What is wrong with you? This post is a like a monkey flinging poo at random people and then beating its chest and jumping around. No-one here wants to read 10 pages of you baiting others into a useless political debate.
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I'm not baiting anyone. This thread is filled with people ripping Obama. But no specifics are offered. What should he do?
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For one, not say there will be consequences when there won't really be any consequences that matter.
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But there will be consequences. We're not going to get involved militarily, but we could make an impact economically in many many ways. We have all sorts of trade agreements with Russia and new ones that need approval. All kinds of things we are working on could come to a halt if the aggression becomes more serious. There is also the question of our selling military hardware to Russia's neighbors, which Boeing and other companies have been urging for years and which Putin is opposed to. And then there are oil and natural gas contracts- Obama was 100% correct to say there will be consequences.
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You think Putin doesn't know that? Obviously, he took all of it under consideration and decided it doesn't matter.
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Of course he knows it. As to whether or not it matters, let's see just how far Putin goes. So far this is all show and bluster. I doubt it will go much beyond that.
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Invading a sovereign country is "show and bluster"?
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Doesn't Russia already have a military base on the Crimean peninsula?

 
Monty Burns said:
Homer J Simpson said:
Monty Burns said:
One thing I saw discussed on a few of this mornings political talk shows was to hurt Russia financially by greatly pumping up our production of oil and natural gas. This would, of course, sharply reduce their prices, greatly hurting the Russians energy income. One person said that we could use this increase in our production and sell our then excess to western Europe, which is heavily dependent on Soviet energy. The people discussing this thought it was very doubtful that Obama would do this though, because of his preferred domestic energy policies.
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How do "we" increase production? Despite what some people think, Obama hasn't yet enacted his totalitarian socialist regime.(and btw, despite snarkiness, that's a legit question)
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some options for this, per the "heads" on the talk shows, included approving the Keystone Pipeline, opening up more federal and offshore lands to exploration/drilling, and increased use of fracking....EDIT: and yes I know, these ideas are controversial...
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You need to play more poker. Does Putin want to give the elephants a reason to open the pipelines? What will that do to the bears in the long run?
 
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Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Riversco said:
timschochet said:
Earlier this morning I asked critics of Obama on this issue to explain what the President should be either doing or saying that he is not. I'm still waiting.
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What is wrong with you? This post is a like a monkey flinging poo at random people and then beating its chest and jumping around. No-one here wants to read 10 pages of you baiting others into a useless political debate.
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I'm not baiting anyone. This thread is filled with people ripping Obama. But no specifics are offered. What should he do?
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For one, not say there will be consequences when there won't really be any consequences that matter.
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But there will be consequences. We're not going to get involved militarily, but we could make an impact economically in many many ways. We have all sorts of trade agreements with Russia and new ones that need approval. All kinds of things we are working on could come to a halt if the aggression becomes more serious. There is also the question of our selling military hardware to Russia's neighbors, which Boeing and other companies have been urging for years and which Putin is opposed to. And then there are oil and natural gas contracts- Obama was 100% correct to say there will be consequences.
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You think Putin doesn't know that? Obviously, he took all of it under consideration and decided it doesn't matter.
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Of course he knows it. As to whether or not it matters, let's see just how far Putin goes. So far this is all show and bluster. I doubt it will go much beyond that.
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Invading a sovereign country is "show and bluster"?
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Doesn't Russia already have a military base on the Crimean peninsula?
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The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?

 
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Riversco said:
timschochet said:
Earlier this morning I asked critics of Obama on this issue to explain what the President should be either doing or saying that he is not. I'm still waiting.
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What is wrong with you? This post is a like a monkey flinging poo at random people and then beating its chest and jumping around. No-one here wants to read 10 pages of you baiting others into a useless political debate.
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I'm not baiting anyone. This thread is filled with people ripping Obama. But no specifics are offered. What should he do?
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For one, not say there will be consequences when there won't really be any consequences that matter.
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But there will be consequences. We're not going to get involved militarily, but we could make an impact economically in many many ways. We have all sorts of trade agreements with Russia and new ones that need approval. All kinds of things we are working on could come to a halt if the aggression becomes more serious. There is also the question of our selling military hardware to Russia's neighbors, which Boeing and other companies have been urging for years and which Putin is opposed to. And then there are oil and natural gas contracts- Obama was 100% correct to say there will be consequences.
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You think Putin doesn't know that? Obviously, he took all of it under consideration and decided it doesn't matter.
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Of course he knows it. As to whether or not it matters, let's see just how far Putin goes. So far this is all show and bluster. I doubt it will go much beyond that.
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Invading a sovereign country is "show and bluster"?
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Doesn't Russia already have a military base on the Crimean peninsula?
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The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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oooh. That's a really, really good poing, Christo.

 
"You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext," Mr Kerry told the CBS program Face the Nation.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

*breathes*

:lmao:

 
Offa said:
"You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext," Mr Kerry told the CBS program Face the Nation.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

*breathes*

:lmao:
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When you are a strong leader, top people will want to work for you.Kerry: "It took President Obama to make America lead like America again."

 
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Riversco said:
timschochet said:
Earlier this morning I asked critics of Obama on this issue to explain what the President should be either doing or saying that he is not. I'm still waiting.
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What is wrong with you? This post is a like a monkey flinging poo at random people and then beating its chest and jumping around. No-one here wants to read 10 pages of you baiting others into a useless political debate.
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I'm not baiting anyone. This thread is filled with people ripping Obama. But no specifics are offered. What should he do?
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For one, not say there will be consequences when there won't really be any consequences that matter.
Click to expand...
But there will be consequences. We're not going to get involved militarily, but we could make an impact economically in many many ways. We have all sorts of trade agreements with Russia and new ones that need approval. All kinds of things we are working on could come to a halt if the aggression becomes more serious. There is also the question of our selling military hardware to Russia's neighbors, which Boeing and other companies have been urging for years and which Putin is opposed to. And then there are oil and natural gas contracts- Obama was 100% correct to say there will be consequences.
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You think Putin doesn't know that? Obviously, he took all of it under consideration and decided it doesn't matter.
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Of course he knows it. As to whether or not it matters, let's see just how far Putin goes. So far this is all show and bluster. I doubt it will go much beyond that.
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Invading a sovereign country is "show and bluster"?
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Doesn't Russia already have a military base on the Crimean peninsula?
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The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..

If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.

 
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Riversco said:
What is wrong with you? This post is a like a monkey flinging poo at random people and then beating its chest and jumping around. No-one here wants to read 10 pages of you baiting others into a useless political debate.
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I'm not baiting anyone. This thread is filled with people ripping Obama. But no specifics are offered. What should he do?
Click to expand...
For one, not say there will be consequences when there won't really be any consequences that matter.
Click to expand...
But there will be consequences. We're not going to get involved militarily, but we could make an impact economically in many many ways. We have all sorts of trade agreements with Russia and new ones that need approval. All kinds of things we are working on could come to a halt if the aggression becomes more serious. There is also the question of our selling military hardware to Russia's neighbors, which Boeing and other companies have been urging for years and which Putin is opposed to. And then there are oil and natural gas contracts- Obama was 100% correct to say there will be consequences.
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You think Putin doesn't know that? Obviously, he took all of it under consideration and decided it doesn't matter.
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Of course he knows it. As to whether or not it matters, let's see just how far Putin goes. So far this is all show and bluster. I doubt it will go much beyond that.
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Invading a sovereign country is "show and bluster"?
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Doesn't Russia already have a military base on the Crimean peninsula?
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The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
 
Fennis said:
Billy Bats said:
Fennis said:
Billy Bats said:
mr roboto said:
I'm reading a lot of opinions from Europe and other places that they are surprised that western countries are speaking to the new government in Ukraine. A lot of the world citizens find it strange that he a coup can take place and the US and others will begin to interact with them as though they were a legitimate government immediately. Technically, the government in place right now simply took over. It is not a legitimate government.
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After the dictator left, why wouldn't we ring the new guys to say hello and ask what they have planned? :shrug: (I'm not good with politics, in case you couldn't tell :) )
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Yanukovych wasn't a dictator. He was elected president. He was also impeached by Ukraine's parliament.
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I know he was elected so technically not a dictator, but everything I've read about him has called him one. :shrug: Are they using it too loosely or just as a way to describe his "leadership"?
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IMO, they were using it to describe his unwillingness to change policies and for not listening to the peoples demands of moving Ukraine towards the EU, instead of Russia.
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We already know what the State Department thinks of the EU. And, yes, she is good at spades too.

 
The pinnacle of Russian cooking:

Chicken Kiev

8 tablespoons (1 stick) unsalted butter, room temperature

1 teaspoon dried parsley

1 teaspoon dried tarragon

1 teaspoon kosher salt, plus extra for seasoning chicken

1/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper, plus extra for seasoning chicken

4 boneless, skinless chicken breast halves

2 large whole eggs, beaten with 1 teaspoon water

2 cups Japanese bread crumbs ( panko), plus 1/4 cup for filling

Vegetable oil, for frying

Combine butter, parsley, tarragon, 1 teaspoon salt, and 1/4 teaspoon black pepper in the bowl of a stand mixer. Place mixture on plastic wrap or waxed paper and roll into small log; place in freezer.

Place chicken breasts, 1 at a time, between 2 pieces of plastic wrap. Squirt chicken lightly with water and squirt the top of the plastic wrap as well. Pound to no less than 1/8-inch thickness. Season each piece of chicken with salt and pepper.

Lay 1 chicken breast on a new piece of plastic wrap and place 1/4 of the compound butter and 1 tablespoon bread crumbs in the center of each breast. Using the plastic wrap to assist, fold in ends of breast and roll breast into a log, completely enclosing the butter; roll very tightly. Repeat with each breast. Place chicken in refrigerator for 2 hours, or up to overnight.

Place egg and water mixture in 1 pie pan and 2 cups bread crumbs in a different pie pan.

Heat 1/2-inch of vegetable oil in a 12-inch saute pan over medium-high heat until oil reaches 375 degrees F.

Dip each breast in the egg mixture and then roll in the bread crumbs. Gently place each breast in oil, sealed-side down, and cook until golden brown, approximately 4 to 5 minutes on each side, until the internal temperature reaches 165 degrees F. Remove to a cooling rack set in sheet pan and allow to drain for 5 to 10 minutes before serving.

 
Offa said:
"You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext," Mr Kerry told the CBS program Face the Nation.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

*breathes*

:lmao:
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Most hilarious and hypocritical statement of the century so far. I can just imagine Putin's response to this. "Um yeah, where do you get off having the brass balls to criticize us with your track record?"

 
Rohn Jambo said:
The pinnacle of Russian cooking:

Chicken Kiev

8 tablespoons (1 stick) unsalted butter, room temperature

1 teaspoon dried parsley

1 teaspoon dried tarragon

1 teaspoon kosher salt, plus extra for seasoning chicken

1/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper, plus extra for seasoning chicken

4 boneless, skinless chicken breast halves

2 large whole eggs, beaten with 1 teaspoon water

2 cups Japanese bread crumbs ( panko), plus 1/4 cup for filling

Vegetable oil, for frying

Combine butter, parsley, tarragon, 1 teaspoon salt, and 1/4 teaspoon black pepper in the bowl of a stand mixer. Place mixture on plastic wrap or waxed paper and roll into small log; place in freezer.

Place chicken breasts, 1 at a time, between 2 pieces of plastic wrap. Squirt chicken lightly with water and squirt the top of the plastic wrap as well. Pound to no less than 1/8-inch thickness. Season each piece of chicken with salt and pepper.

Lay 1 chicken breast on a new piece of plastic wrap and place 1/4 of the compound butter and 1 tablespoon bread crumbs in the center of each breast. Using the plastic wrap to assist, fold in ends of breast and roll breast into a log, completely enclosing the butter; roll very tightly. Repeat with each breast. Place chicken in refrigerator for 2 hours, or up to overnight.

Place egg and water mixture in 1 pie pan and 2 cups bread crumbs in a different pie pan.

Heat 1/2-inch of vegetable oil in a 12-inch saute pan over medium-high heat until oil reaches 375 degrees F.

Dip each breast in the egg mixture and then roll in the bread crumbs. Gently place each breast in oil, sealed-side down, and cook until golden brown, approximately 4 to 5 minutes on each side, until the internal temperature reaches 165 degrees F. Remove to a cooling rack set in sheet pan and allow to drain for 5 to 10 minutes before serving.
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I love that stuff!

 
proninja said:
I haven't caught up in this thread since yesterday, and was at work all day today. Can someone fill me in on what's going on over there without referencing how terrible Obama is or how TWP is a mindless drone who copies/pastes instead of typing his own thoughts?
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Russia is showing Serbia the right way to prtect their ethnic peoples in other lands.
 
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
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I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...

 
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proninja said:
I haven't caught up in this thread since yesterday, and was at work all day today. Can someone fill me in on what's going on over there without referencing how terrible Obama is or how TWP is a mindless drone who copies/pastes instead of typing his own thoughts?
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Ukraine ousted their pro-Russian govt through bloody protests. They want to trend toward the West, trade with EU etc. Russia is trying to get the old eastern block gang back together for trade and political control. When Ukraine govt flipped, Russia seized the opportunity to send unmarked troops into Crimea to 'secure the peninsula.' Russia gave this peninsula to Ukraine in the 50s, but it's majority ethnic and linguistic Russian. It also helped elect the former pro-Russian regime. Russia is claiming it's there to protect Russian military base and ethnic Russians b/c Ukraine and Kiev is under little leadership. Seems like the Crimeans (majority of them anyway) kind of want Russia there. Rest if the world is calling it an act of aggression, violating Ukraine's sovereignty etc. Ukraine officially calling it an act of war.

John Kerry went on the circuit today saying everything you'd expect. Willing to boycott G8, freeze Russian financial assets, sanctions etc. NATO and UN talking as usual.

Everyone except Crimea and Russia think

This is bull ####, but no one is willing to officially say that they would use force to retaliate.

 
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proninja said:
mr roboto said:
proninja said:
I haven't caught up in this thread since yesterday, and was at work all day today. Can someone fill me in on what's going on over there without referencing how terrible Obama is or how TWP is a mindless drone who copies/pastes instead of typing his own thoughts?
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Ukraine ousted their pro-Russian govt through bloody protests. They want to trend toward the West, trade with EU etc. Russia is trying to get the old eastern block gang back together for trade and political control. When Ukraine govt flipped, Russia seized the opportunity to send unmarked troops into Crimea to 'secure the peninsula.' Russia gave this peninsula to Ukraine in the 50s, but it's majority ethnic and linguistic Russian. It also helped elect the former pro-Russian regime.Russia is claiming it's there to protect Russian military base and ethnic Russians b/c Ukraine and Kiev is under little leadership. Seems like the Crimeans (majority of them anyway) kind of want Russia there. Rest if the world is calling it an act of aggression, violating Ukraine's sovereignty etc. Ukraine officially calling it an act of war.

John Kerry went on the circuit today saying everything you'd expect. Willing to boycott G8, freeze Russian financial assets, sanctions etc. NATO and UN talking as usual.

Everyone except Crimea and Russia think

This is bull ####, but no one is willing to officially say that they would use force to retaliate.
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:thumbup:

So, Russia is going to take Crimea, and everyone else is going to act all pissy about it for six months then forget it happened?
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Yes, probably. But that might get them kicked out of a few international clubs and meetings.
 
mr roboto said:
proninja said:
I haven't caught up in this thread since yesterday, and was at work all day today. Can someone fill me in on what's going on over there without referencing how terrible Obama is or how TWP is a mindless drone who copies/pastes instead of typing his own thoughts?
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Ukraine ousted their pro-Russian govt through bloody protests. They want to trend toward the West, trade with EU etc. Russia is trying to get the old eastern block gang back together for trade and political control. When Ukraine govt flipped, Russia seized the opportunity to send unmarked troops into Crimea to 'secure the peninsula.' Russia gave this peninsula to Ukraine in the 50s, but it's majority ethnic and linguistic Russian. It also helped elect the former pro-Russian regime.Russia is claiming it's there to protect Russian military base and ethnic Russians b/c Ukraine and Kiev is under little leadership. Seems like the Crimeans (majority of them anyway) kind of want Russia there. Rest if the world is calling it an act of aggression, violating Ukraine's sovereignty etc. Ukraine officially calling it an act of war.

John Kerry went on the circuit today saying everything you'd expect. Willing to boycott G8, freeze Russian financial assets, sanctions etc. NATO and UN talking as usual.

Everyone except Crimea and Russia think

This is bull ####, but no one is willing to officially say that they would use force to retaliate.
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Good Summary

 
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
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I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...
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First, it's an analogy not an anecdote. Second, no one is denying that Russia sent troops into Crimea without Ukraine's permission. Not even the Russians.

 
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
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I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...
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First, it's an analogy not an anecdote. Second, no one is denying that Russia sent troops into Crimea without Ukraine's permission. Not even the Russians.
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And? "complete operational control" and "sent troops into Crimea" are not the same thing... As far as we know the unmarked troops in Crimea are there to protect the Military base and the inhabitants who are mostly ethnic Russian.

 
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
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I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...
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:lmao: Hack high school teachers are a much better source of info!

 
mad sweeney said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
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I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...
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:lmao: Hack high school teachers are a much better source of info!
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Ok so you trust the media... Noted

 
I think Russia is orchestrating the entire thing. Let Ukraine get bailed out by the West. Brilliant! I'm not sure what is going on with Crimea though. Maybe Russia will try and keep them separate, and split the country in 2??

Do the gas pipelines from Russia go through Ukraine? I wonder if this will effect Russia selling gas to the EU.

 
Quez said:
I think Russia is orchestrating the entire thing. Let Ukraine get bailed out by the West. Brilliant! I'm not sure what is going on with Crimea though. Maybe Russia will try and keep them separate, and split the country in 2??

Do the gas pipelines from Russia go through Ukraine? I wonder if this will effect Russia selling gas to the EU.
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Here is a map

 
Carolina Hustler said:
Quez said:
I think Russia is orchestrating the entire thing. Let Ukraine get bailed out by the West. Brilliant! I'm not sure what is going on with Crimea though. Maybe Russia will try and keep them separate, and split the country in 2??

Do the gas pipelines from Russia go through Ukraine? I wonder if this will effect Russia selling gas to the EU.
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Here is a map
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I like this onehttp://burycoal.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/russian-oil-gas-pipeline.png

 
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
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I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...
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First, it's an analogy not an anecdote. Second, no one is denying that Russia sent troops into Crimea without Ukraine's permission. Not even the Russians.
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And? "complete operational control" and "sent troops into Crimea" are not the same thing... As far as we know the unmarked troops in Crimea are there to protect the Military base and the inhabitants who are mostly ethnic Russian.
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As far as we know? It was a direct quote from a senior administration official.

 
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
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I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...
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First, it's an analogy not an anecdote. Second, no one is denying that Russia sent troops into Crimea without Ukraine's permission. Not even the Russians.
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And? "complete operational control" and "sent troops into Crimea" are not the same thing... As far as we know the unmarked troops in Crimea are there to protect the Military base and the inhabitants who are mostly ethnic Russian.
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As far as we know? It was a direct quote from a senior administration official.
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The same un-named official that said Russia is in operational control if Crimea?

right?

 
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
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This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
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I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...
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First, it's an analogy not an anecdote. Second, no one is denying that Russia sent troops into Crimea without Ukraine's permission. Not even the Russians.
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And? "complete operational control" and "sent troops into Crimea" are not the same thing... As far as we know the unmarked troops in Crimea are there to protect the Military base and the inhabitants who are mostly ethnic Russian.
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As far as we know? It was a direct quote from a senior administration official.
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The same un-named official that said Russia is in operational control if Crimea?

right?
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WTF are you talking about?

 
timschochet said:
The Ukraine girls really knock me out.
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"Well the Ukraine girls really knock me outThey leave the West behind "

http://www.lyrics007.com/The%20Beatles%20Lyrics/Back%20In%20The%20USSR%20Lyrics.html

You have no credibility on this subject you ####### hack shill piece of ####. I hope the crushing weight of your inaccuracy compresses your spine so much the overwhelming chiropractic bills drive you to financial ruin, madness and eventually some kind of fresh fish based crowd assault.

Schlzm

#######.

 
Schlzm said:
timschochet said:
The Ukraine girls really knock me out.
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"Well the Ukraine girls really knock me outThey leave the West behind "

http://www.lyrics007.com/The%20Beatles%20Lyrics/Back%20In%20The%20USSR%20Lyrics.html

You have no credibility on this subject you ####### hack shill piece of ####. I hope the crushing weight of your inaccuracy compresses your spine so much the overwhelming chiropractic bills drive you to financial ruin, madness and eventually some kind of fresh fish based crowd assault.

Schlzm

#######.
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Damn. All because I forgot the "well"?
 
timschochet said:
Schlzm said:
timschochet said:
The Ukraine girls really knock me out.
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"Well the Ukraine girls really knock me outThey leave the West behind "

http://www.lyrics007.com/The%20Beatles%20Lyrics/Back%20In%20The%20USSR%20Lyrics.html

You have no credibility on this subject you ####### hack shill piece of ####. I hope the crushing weight of your inaccuracy compresses your spine so much the overwhelming chiropractic bills drive you to financial ruin, madness and eventually some kind of fresh fish based crowd assault.

Schlzm

#######.
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Damn. All because I forgot the "well"?
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Words matter.
 
StrikeS2k said:
Monty Burns said:
Homer J Simpson said:
Monty Burns said:
One thing I saw discussed on a few of this mornings political talk shows was to hurt Russia financially by greatly pumping up our production of oil and natural gas. This would, of course, sharply reduce their prices, greatly hurting the Russians energy income. One person said that we could use this increase in our production and sell our then excess to western Europe, which is heavily dependent on Soviet energy. The people discussing this thought it was very doubtful that Obama would do this though, because of his preferred domestic energy policies.
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How do "we" increase production? Despite what some people think, Obama hasn't yet enacted his totalitarian socialist regime.

(and btw, despite snarkiness, that's a legit question)
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some options for this, per the "heads" on the talk shows, included approving the Keystone Pipeline, opening up more federal lands to exploration/drilling, and increased use of fracking....

EDIT: and yes I know, these ideas are controversial...
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Uh, won't those ideas take years to implement? I think this might be over sooner than that.
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Yes, this would be a longer term "punishment" so to speak, and likely have minimal immediate effect on the current situation. But energy markets (and all markets) respond to future supply/demand so there might be some current impact if, say, Obama announced that he is immediately approving Keystone, relaxing offshore oil drilling restrictions, going to open up more Federal lands for energy development, etc, with a goal of making the US a net energy exporter in the next 3(?) years, etc......but I guess its likely trivial as this is very unlikely to happen.

 
Carolina Hustler said:
mad sweeney said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
Click to expand...
This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
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I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...
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:lmao: Hack high school teachers are a much better source of info!
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Ok so you trust the media... Noted
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Hmmm. Once again you've gleaned a meaning that is not supported by the text. I'm beginning to wonder if your English skills are as poor as your physics.

 
mad sweeney said:
Carolina Hustler said:
mad sweeney said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
The US has a military base in Cuba. Does that mean we wouldn't be invading if we took "complete operational control" of the entire island?
Click to expand...
This is propaganda... It's an obscure quote from an unidentified "US administration official"..If the Cuban people were unsatisfied with a new 'appointed' leader, that leader favored anti-US influence, there was threat of civil war, and they asked for the US to step in, bet your bank we'd be getting involved.
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You sure are one good goal post mover :thumbup:
Click to expand...
I didn't move the goal posts... I was addressing your Cuba anecdote.. You assume Russia invaded and took over, I don't believe everything I see on TV...
Click to expand...
:lmao: Hack high school teachers are a much better source of info!
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Ok so you trust the media... Noted
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Hmmm. Once again you've gleaned a meaning that is not supported by the text. I'm beginning to wonder if your English skills are as poor as your physics.
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Oh, now my English is bad too? Damnit! :-(

 
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otello said:
timschochet said:
Schlzm said:
timschochet said:
The Ukraine girls really knock me out.
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"Well the Ukraine girls really knock me outThey leave the West behind "

http://www.lyrics007.com/The%20Beatles%20Lyrics/Back%20In%20The%20USSR%20Lyrics.html

You have no credibility on this subject you ####### hack shill piece of ####. I hope the crushing weight of your inaccuracy compresses your spine so much the overwhelming chiropractic bills drive you to financial ruin, madness and eventually some kind of fresh fish based crowd assault.

Schlzm

#######.
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Damn. All because I forgot the "well"?
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Words matter.
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This is that one David Lee Roth song right?

 
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