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WR Sammy Watkins, BAL (2 Viewers)
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dipandglide
Footballguy
I was looking at wr ppr stats and saw that Sammy has scored 113.6 to Alshon Jeffery's 115.5 despite getting 22 less targets. Hell, Martavis has only 3.5 more points than Sammy and had 9 more targets. Sammy sure gets a lot of criticism compared to others. Its nice for the buyer's(believers)!
georg013
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Irrelevant. He simply isn't good in real life. Haven't you been reading this thread?
dipandglide
Footballguy
Jack White
Footballguy
dipandglide
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I won week 5. Championship!
dipandglide
Footballguy
Jack White
Footballguy
The post I quoted made no reference to dynasty. The stats in the post are obviously for this season.dipandglide said:
As for Watkins this week, I'm not bullish on him as Houston has been playing stellar defense all around and especially against #1 WRs.
dipandglide
Footballguy
You said the stat(s) were irrelevant. A lot of people on these boards play dynasty(by far the better ffb format). So while you didn't mention dynasty, the stats are very relevant to those who care more about long term than short term.
I agree. Houston's defense is coming on.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Dynasty or not, PPG is still a more valuable and telling stat than a season long total. It has nothing to do with the format, when a guy doesn't play you can start someone else...so who cares what their totals are? You want to know who scores what, when they actually play.
NREC34
Footballguy
georg013
Footballguy
Dont know what you are getting excited about. He only has 3 catches and 1 touchdown. Mike Evans would have twice that. Plus Houston really isnt that good if Sammy has 100 yards. Easy matchup. Sammy looks average and small today.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Still amazingly the Bills only have thrown at Watkins 4 times today. Inexcusable really.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yet somehow he out produced E Decker today.
NREC34
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It's baffling that they don't manufacture ways to get him the ball more. The fact that they don't throw screen passes to him is criminal.
At the same time, teams are doubling him with a safety over the top and the Bills just don' throw the ball a lot anyway. When you only throw 21 passes in a game, you're not typically going to see a receiver have 10+ targets very often.
At the same time, teams are doubling him with a safety over the top and the Bills just don' throw the ball a lot anyway. When you only throw 21 passes in a game, you're not typically going to see a receiver have 10+ targets very often.
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The General
Footballguy
Next week at Eagles, have to like this.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya as good as Philly played on D this week, have to think Bills will have a bit more success vs the pass D. Don't think it'll be a shootout though, but Sammy will get his. 7 for 110 and 1.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Its insane this guy is only getting 6 targets per game. Why did they trade up for this guy.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
dipandglide
Footballguy
I didn't know Doug Marrone made personnel and player decisions. Did management change?
Adam Harstad
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Since returning from injury in week 9, Sammy Watkins has 45.4% of Buffalo’s receiving yards. He has just 26.3% of Buffalo’s targets.
Over that span, Tyrod Taylor averages 13.94 yards per attempt on passes to Sammy Watkins, and 5.99 yards per attempt on passes to everyone else.
Over that span, Tyrod Taylor averages 13.94 yards per attempt on passes to Sammy Watkins, and 5.99 yards per attempt on passes to everyone else.
georg013
Footballguy
So basically he sucks. As some might have it. Those are pedestrian numbers that Mike Evans would easily double with half the targets. Those crack heads over at PFF have fallen victim to fanboyism:11h11 hours ago
Pro Football Focus @PFF
Sammy Watkins (+8.1) has the 4th highest grade among WRs since Week 9. Starting to really cook on gas.
Dont they realize that the guys in this forum know better and Sammy sucks? If they didnt make an effort to get Sammy the ball four times per game he wouldnt have a +8.1 rating. Milkman and Handman say so...so Eric Decker is better.
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shader
Footballguy
Watkins has really shown a lot the last two weeks. I benched him this past week for Amendola (which worked out). Sammy is the type of talent that I HATE to bench, but this just isn't his year. I know everyone is mad at the Bills for only targeting him 6 times in the last game, but that's silly. They only threw it 21 times, and by the way, they won the game.
This is a running team with a coach that isn't known for prolific passing games. I think Sammy continues to grow into the gameplan as long as he stays healthy. He has the talent to be a top 5 WR, but that won't happen this year, and unless some changes are made at QB or HC, it won't happen next year either.
But he's a special talent, that's obvious.
This is a running team with a coach that isn't known for prolific passing games. I think Sammy continues to grow into the gameplan as long as he stays healthy. He has the talent to be a top 5 WR, but that won't happen this year, and unless some changes are made at QB or HC, it won't happen next year either.
But he's a special talent, that's obvious.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Based on the way this season has gone, I would not expect changes to the QB or coaching. The only change I could see is if someone were to give Greg Roman a head coaching job. Tyrod is a near-lock to be the starting QB next season - though the Bills may draft one to compete with him - and there's zero chance Rex is gone after 1 year. I think most Bills fans would agree that the offense has far exceeded expectations and has not been the problem this season. The offense is 10th in total points, 17th in yards, 11th in yards/play, and tied for 8th in least-turnovers. Not exactly a high-powered offense by any means but miles ahead of last year. Tyrod hasn't been asked to do a ton but his numbers, on the whole, are actually remarkably good.
It's just not an offense built around the passing game right now. I think the Bills are giving him a little more each week as he gets comfortable but it's just not a high-powered passing offense and probably won't be next year either. It's not an optimal situation for Sammy, unfortunately.
The General
Footballguy
Has to get more looks against Philly, right?
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Probably depends on how the Bills are doing.
Bills 5 wins - average 4.8 targets (3, 2, 8, 7, 4)
Bills 4 losses - average 7.25 targets (8, 5, 6, 10)
(he missed 3 games due to injury)
Tyrod's pass attempts:
Bills 6 wins - 20.84 attempts (19, 29, 17, 12, 27, 21)
Bills 4 losses - 36.5 attempts (30, 42, 36, 38)
(he missed 2 games due to injury)
Vegas odds have the game close to a pick-em, most lines I have seen are in the EVEN to PHI -1.5 range. In Tyrod's 4 losses, the Bills have been chasing for much of the game. If the game is close, I have to imagine the Bills will be trying to run the ball as much as possible. If the Eagles get up early, expect Watkins to see more targets. If the Bills get up early or the game remains close throughout, I wouldn't expect anything out of the ordinary.
The General
Footballguy
I want to start him for the big game factor. Philly is still allowing a crazy number of snaps to opposing offenses so at least there is more potential chances.
It's either him, Amendola, or Rawls for me this week in a .5 PPR.
shader
Footballguy
When you are only getting 5-6 targets a game, you may bench him if you have better options. The last two weeks, he took those targets and dominated. But the odds are heavily stacked against a receiver that only gets 5-6 targets a game. Weeks 10 and 11 he had 14 yards and 39 yards.
During weeks 10 and 11 he had a total of 13 targets. During weeks 12 and 13 he had a total of 14 targets. So the usage hasn't changed but the efficiency has.
The point is, they aren't forcing him the ball and he isn't the focus of the gameplan. He's the occasional deep threat option.
So there are plenty of reasons to bench him, especially if you want consistent production.
Not sure why you took a slam at ppr or how that has any relevance to this conversation.
If you don't start him against the Philly secondary you may as well drop him.
Juicy matchup.
His floor is low every game, but in the playoffs, when you need upside, well...here it is.
shader
Footballguy
I agree its a great matchup. My point though, is that until he gets more targets, he's going to be inconsistent. Yeah, the boom or bust might be perfect for some people's fantasy teams, especially those who need explosion to have a chance in the playoffs. But along with his potential for explosion comes his potential for 1 or 2 catches.
matuski
Footballguy
Yes.. if he continues this 2 game streak he might break 1000 yards for the first time.
He still has a ways to go to catch Decker.
Good news though.. Sammy has broken into the top 35/40 WR this year.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Watkins is 0.5 ppg behind Decker in my league this year. He's also WR29 in my league despite missing 3 games due to injury.Also, LOL at the "might break 1000 yards." He had 982 yards last year. Really like your arbitrary cut off's for success.
matttyl
Footballguy
For better or worse I've missed a lot of the back and forth in this thread about Sammy - but what do you mean "for the first time"? He's a second year player. So if he had 20 more yards receiving last year, would you now say "if he has a few more good games he might actually break 1,000 yards for only the second time in his career"?
matttyl
Footballguy
I know different league settings likely (our rewards long TDs and such, and isn't PPR) but Sammy is the overall #29 WR, but is actually 15th in PPG (ahead of Calvin, Decker, Maclin....). I mean, it's not like you'd have started him the weeks he wasn't on the field.
ratbast
Footballguy
If you are benching him for your WR 4+ and that player is more consistant, then you have great WR depth. His lack of consistency is more obvious in PPR hence why I mentioned it. However I will take him over anyone most have as their WR4. The play calling is flawed but what fantasy wr 4 doesnt have flaws in their prognostics for next week? Are you really going to bench a healthy Watkins for Boldin, Diggs, VJax, Parker or MJones? Shorts? Coleman? You tell me who you are going to bench him for? People forget how banged up he has been all year. I cant see how anyone can rate him lower than a must start WR3 and in my book he is an obvious WR2. I own Dez and Edelman, he is my WR1.
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Catch Decker? What are you talking about? He can never catch Decker. Decker is super awesome and Sammy's not on his level and never will be.
