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WR Allen Robinson, Free Agent (3 Viewers)
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King of the Jungle
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flapgreen
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Truebluey
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Not sure where you're getting you're ADPs? In snake 12-team PPR mocks Fitz is going at about ADP 24-25 (so that's a long way off 38), and I haven't seen Hoigan Or Davis last till the 6th round in 2 weeks. Hogan is going mid 4th now, and I've seen him go early 4th.
But overall I agree that Robinson scares me at his ADP.
Chaka
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flapgreen
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Chaka
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Nope.
Unknown. Never been. Rookie. Good receiving back. Bad receiving back. Big deal.
None of those guys is a #1 WR or capable of siphoning off targets from the only legitimate #1 WR on the team.
zamboni
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There doesn’t have to be proven options to siphon off targets, just credible enough to get open and catch the ball when the opposing top corner (and perhaps double team) is/are covering Robinson.
Chaka
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How Is this different from any number one receiver in the NFL?
The only concern for Robinson should be the state of his knee.
zamboni
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Some #1 guys are force fed the ball, like Brown, Julio, OBJ and Green. I don’t see Robinson being in that mix.
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Chaka
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cloppbeast
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Wise Old Owl
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Yeah this is a weird argument. If anything he's in the best possible spot. Clear #1 WR but with good enough role players to keep defenses from completely selling out to stop him. Which I don't even think would be likely due to the fact that Howard is such an effective back.
IheartGuinness
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Still not sure how confident I feel about this guy. And I think he's going to have a tough time against Peterson this week. The targets have been there, but I don't know that the production will continue. How do other people rate him?
King of the Jungle
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I thought he looked better then expected so far. Mitch has missed him on a couple of big throws that could make a big difference in perception.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
I'm starting Kupp over him this week. I dont like matchup with Peterson.
Bronco Billy
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8 team league? He’s WR46 in our league even with last week’s crap. That’s rosterable even in typical 10 team leagues.
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12 team standard scoring league. I’d rather have the upside of guys like Anthony Miller and courtland Sutton than him. Look at what he’s done through 6 games in a standard league. He’s not a must roster kind of guy. Put his numbers on Geronimo Allison and Allison would be in the waiver wire. We are all holding him on name value.
Bronco Billy
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rickyg said:
I disagree. When he’s healthy he’s his team’s WR1. I believe you are undervaluing him substantially.
Steelers4Life
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His numbers are a bit skewed because the Bears were up by like 30 in the 2nd quarter against the Bucs and they didn't have to throw and he was basically an injured decoy last week. Sounds like he's going to miss this week too.
In his other 4 games, he has 22 catches for 258 yards and a TD. He had a someone limited preseason too, I'd think he's still developing chemistry with Trubisky, and he might be a little more volatile for a while.
I don't see a format where he's droppable unless you don't think he gets healthy, because as his team's WR1, he's got way more potential than anyone you'd pick up anyways. In dynasty, he's still a strong hold.
In his other 4 games, he has 22 catches for 258 yards and a TD. He had a someone limited preseason too, I'd think he's still developing chemistry with Trubisky, and he might be a little more volatile for a while.
I don't see a format where he's droppable unless you don't think he gets healthy, because as his team's WR1, he's got way more potential than anyone you'd pick up anyways. In dynasty, he's still a strong hold.
Quite possibly. Wouldn’t be the first time I gave up on a player prematurely. He’s been buried on my bench going on 3 weeks now. Don’t feel like I can trust him with the lack of involvement and now the injury. My team is struggling and I need high upside ascending players who have league winning potential. I just don’t see him as that. If I’m wrong, so be it.
King of the Jungle
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With Gabriel/Miller ascending and Cohen/Burton involved....I just don’t really see anyone being a consistent top dog in this offense.
zamboni
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Anyone already have or planning on cutting bait on Robinson?
Beyond the injuries, I am not sure if he's just not as good as we thought (or the team thought in giving him a mega contract), the Bears offense is designed to spread the ball around, or some combination of the two.
In any event, with Miller, Gabriel, Burton and Cohen all getting targets, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of upside for AR when he gets healthy. Dynasty-wise, too, considering the guys around him are also young.
Beyond the injuries, I am not sure if he's just not as good as we thought (or the team thought in giving him a mega contract), the Bears offense is designed to spread the ball around, or some combination of the two.
In any event, with Miller, Gabriel, Burton and Cohen all getting targets, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of upside for AR when he gets healthy. Dynasty-wise, too, considering the guys around him are also young.
flapgreen
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Robinson, and likely Mack, only missed last week and this coming Sunday's games because they were easier opponents and the Bears could likely win without them. If they were tough teams, both guys would've likely played IMO. Robinson is still a great WR, but as someone mentioned further up the page, the Bears scheme may keep him from being a top guy every week when he comes back. I definitely wouldn't just drop the guy. Hell, k may try to trade for him if people are this down on him.
Steelers4Life
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Tough to say. They may be getting all those targets because of circumstances around Robinson. He's in his first year off a major injury, playing on a new team, with a first year starting QB who he didn't get to develop any chemistry with in the offseason and he missed the preseason games, too.
He wasn't off to a terrible start before hurting his groin, and given the circumstances, expectations for this year - or at least the early part of it - shouldn't have been that high to start with. His 2018 may not amount to much, but I still see him as a top 20ish dynasty WR.
Another owner in my league dropped both Robinson and Gabriel this week. Must've figured out what you just said.
thecardiackid
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He's on my WW and I'm looking to replace Mostert after IR.
Anyone optimistic, even w/ the upcoming schedule? His playoff schedule is not bad w 2 home games and @ SF And da berrrs are certainly in the playoff hunt.
It's him or another lotto ticket like Ware KC or Malcom Brown.
Anyone optimistic, even w/ the upcoming schedule? His playoff schedule is not bad w 2 home games and @ SF And da berrrs are certainly in the playoff hunt.
It's him or another lotto ticket like Ware KC or Malcom Brown.
SaintsInDome2006
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zamboni
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I can’t see that dynasty-wise when you have young and capable guys in Miller/Gabriel/Burton/Cohen around to get targets.
The Bears seemed to overpay for AR, but to be fair, had Miller fall into their laps at the draft and Gabriel has likely given the team much more than expected.
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Steelers4Life
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Double post - disregard
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Steelers4Life
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It's fair to see it that way, but none of those guys are talented enough that I'd expect them to be a huge issue for him in the future. Lots of top WRs have other pass catching threats around them.
Having Burton is a nice thing for the offense as a whole, and neither Miller or Gabriel are guys who'd threaten his #1 WR status.
Cohen has been around this year to pick up the slack left behind by Robinson. But Cohen caught 7 total passes in the first 3 games when Robinson was healthy. He was used a lot in the 4th game they routed the Bucs, but the Bears didn't really need to do much that day. Then after the bye Robinson put up 5-64-1 before hurting his groin, and in those weeks since Cohen has blown up.
All of those guys can have a role, but none of them are concerns to me regarding Robinson's future. Having other threats may actually benefit him in the long run. Given his offseason it was kind of foolish to expect a big 2018, but I'd try to buy him for 2019 if an owner has soured on him.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair points, but I think you might be underestimating Miller. The guy has a lot of skill and may eventually emerge as the #1 option - if there is one - in the passing game.
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
I added him in a trade as WR4. I think you may have the chance to start him in the flex and have WR1 upside if he gets healthy. Weeks 14/15/16 are LAR/GB/SF so not horrible.
jm192
Footballguy
Curious what the shark pool predicts from him next season.
He has broken 900 yards once in his career. I've seen him projected in the teens of WR rankings up to the early 20's. He missed 3 games this season. Missed virtually all of the season before. He'll be the #1 WR on the Bears. I feel like Trusbisky is already pretty good and going to keep getting better. That said, I feel like he'll always be 800 and 6. Is the upside for more there, sure. But I feel like he's low on my totem pole of upside until you get into the mid-late 20's of WR rankings. I've currently got him at WR28 or WR29.
He has broken 900 yards once in his career. I've seen him projected in the teens of WR rankings up to the early 20's. He missed 3 games this season. Missed virtually all of the season before. He'll be the #1 WR on the Bears. I feel like Trusbisky is already pretty good and going to keep getting better. That said, I feel like he'll always be 800 and 6. Is the upside for more there, sure. But I feel like he's low on my totem pole of upside until you get into the mid-late 20's of WR rankings. I've currently got him at WR28 or WR29.
