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Austin Seferian-Jenkins - What do you think?

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3 minutes ago, mr roboto said:

If I remember correctly his yards per reception we’re pretty low in New York too.

Ack, good call.  7.1 ypc last year and 11 in '16.  I will set the o/u at 12 in JAX.

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3 hours ago, zeeshan2 said:

it appears that Seferian-Jenkins could be in for a career year.”

51 catches for 358 yards and 4 TDs would be a career year for ASJ - so not such a bold statement.

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McCown kept leading him into defenders on super short routes. I was impressed he was able to hold onto the ball, frankly.  I expect his YPR to go up quite a bit. 

Otherwise I hated the landing spot as I am a believer. But I'm coming around a bit. I can see him feasting on play action. I'm thinking something like 55 for 600 and 6 TDs. 

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9 hours ago, mr roboto said:

He could catch 100 balls and only have 500 yds. 

So long as 12 of those receptions are for TDs I'm good with that.

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19 hours ago, mr roboto said:

If I remember correctly his yards per reception we’re pretty low in New York too.

His average per catch is very low, but it doesnt make all that much sense why.  He ran a 4.56 at 262 lbs at the combine.  Thats pretty freakish, and should by metrics alone lead to a high yards per reception.  Must be something else to his game that limits him from breaking big plays.  Maybe it has been coaching so far - who knows.  Seems like he has all the physical characteristics to be a solid contributor thought.  Here are his measurables - https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/austin-seferianjenkins

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I kinda like ASJ this year.  JAC appears to have a ton of WR's but none of them really blow the doors off or are target hogs.  Bortles will probably be encouraged to just "not make a ton of mistakes" so he may defer to a bigger, closer target pretty often.  ASJ has shown the physical tools and I like the red zone ability here.  If Fournette gets stuffed in the red zone, ASJ might be the next option. Moncrief seems to be the next biggest guy and ASJ has very little competition at TE.  He should be on the field every down...I'd roll the dice.....as my TE1?....maybe....if I pass on TE early....I see him in the conversation at around TE12-13 with the guys in that mix....I might gamble on him over guys like Doyle, Reed, Howard, Brate, Clay, Eifert.....

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56 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

I kinda like ASJ this year.  JAC appears to have a ton of WR's but none of them really blow the doors off or are target hogs.  Bortles will probably be encouraged to just "not make a ton of mistakes" so he may defer to a bigger, closer target pretty often.  ASJ has shown the physical tools and I like the red zone ability here.  If Fournette gets stuffed in the red zone, ASJ might be the next option. Moncrief seems to be the next biggest guy and ASJ has very little competition at TE.  He should be on the field every down...I'd roll the dice.....as my TE1?....maybe....if I pass on TE early....I see him in the conversation at around TE12-13 with the guys in that mix....I might gamble on him over guys like Doyle, Reed, Howard, Brate, Clay, Eifert.....

Look at the Jags targets from 2017:

RB/FB: 132.  WR: 306   TE: 79

Jacksonville hasn't had a decent receiving/blocking TE since Marcedes Lewis circa 2012, so ASJ has the potential to be a new type of weapon.

That said, unless things go horribly wrong, the Jags are not going to pass more than last year; they'll try to pass less

ASJ will not have any competition for the in-line TE position, but Hackett does like to employ the move TE in key spots, siphoning limited targets

Besides (hopefully healthy) Fournette and Bortles (who is actually lining up to have a strong year), there's not a lot of guaranteed offensive fantasy goodness to be found on the 2018 Jacksonville Jaguars

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

 

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Jaguars.com expects Austin Seferian-Jenkins to be an "integral" part of the team's offense.

ASJ has apparently drawn praise for his "work ethic and approach," as well as "appeared in sync with Blake Bortles." ASJ averaged a sluggish 7.1 yards per catch in last year's comeback season, but his $4 million guaranteed is an indication the Jags do indeed have big plans. Although he will be competing for targets with a crowded receiver corps, ASJ should be a strong TE2 in 2018.

Source: jaguars.com 

Jun 14 - 3:47 PM

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On 6/13/2018 at 6:21 AM, ChuckLiddell said:

His average per catch is very low, but it doesnt make all that much sense why.  He ran a 4.56 at 262 lbs at the combine.  Thats pretty freakish, and should by metrics alone lead to a high yards per reception.  Must be something else to his game that limits him from breaking big plays.  Maybe it has been coaching so far - who knows.  Seems like he has all the physical characteristics to be a solid contributor thought.  Here are his measurables - https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/austin-seferianjenkins

Looks like he averaged 13.4 ypc with Tampa (and that was when he was, seemingly at the light of his being a head case), then things went South with a combo of a mid-season trade to the Jets in 2016, being a Jet, having Bryce Petty start multiple games as your QB and the saving grace being Josh McCown.

I'm not reading too much into his YPC with the Jets. In fact I have him as a strong buy in both redraft and dynasty.

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On 6/13/2018 at 6:21 AM, ChuckLiddell said:

His average per catch is very low, but it doesnt make all that much sense why.  He ran a 4.56 at 262 lbs at the combine.  Thats pretty freakish, and should by metrics alone lead to a high yards per reception.  Must be something else to his game that limits him from breaking big plays.  Maybe it has been coaching so far - who knows.  Seems like he has all the physical characteristics to be a solid contributor thought.  Here are his measurables - https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/austin-seferianjenkins

ASJ didn't run at the combine. Or at a pro day. He had a private workout with the Jets, and one scout that was there claimed that he timed ASJ at 4.56. I would not put much stock in that number.

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Jaguars Position Preview: Seferian-Jenkins brings new dynamic to offense

http://www.jacksonville.com/sports/20180712/jaguars-position-preview-seferian-jenkins-brings-new-dynamic-to-offense

If Seferian-Jenkins is the ascending player the Jaguars believe him to be, he should be much more trouble for opposing defenses. So far, he appears to have all the tools. Bortles consistently looked his way during the offseason program and regularly found him open in different spots on the field.

“Since the first day he showed up, we immediately started working together and doing things,” Bortles said. ”... I think it is pretty easy, when you come watch a practice, you can see how big of an impact he has made and how much he is going to help us out.”

There is some risk, however. Prior to last year, Seferian-Jenkins never caught more than 21 passes in a season. And in five games (out for another due to injury) after the Jets’ Week 11 bye last year, he caught just 11 passes for 69 yards, finishing with an alarmingly low 7.1 yards per catch.

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48 minutes ago, doeseatplace said:

And in five games (out for another due to injury) after the Jets’ Week 11 bye last year, he caught just 11 passes for 69 yards, finishing with an alarmingly low 7.1 yards per catch.

 

Alarming?  More like astounding when Bryce Petty and his subterranean 4.86 ypa was delivering to football to him.

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He might be their only RZ option not named Fournette.  ASJ *could* dominate down there this year.  And if he gets work between the 20s, as they say, then he has strong upside.  Even in a run first offense that will likely be ahead a lot, though that obviously caps it a bit.

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39 minutes ago, Bronco Billy said:
1 hour ago, doeseatplace said:

And in five games (out for another due to injury) after the Jets’ Week 11 bye last year, he caught just 11 passes for 69 yards, finishing with an alarmingly low 7.1 yards per catch.

 

Alarming?  More like astounding when Bryce Petty and his subterranean 4.86 ypa was delivering to football to him.

7.1 yards per reception (and 4.8 yards per target) is what he had for the whole season, including 7.3 YPR (and 5.2 YPT) while McCown was his QB.

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Anything changed now that Lee is done for the year? Or will the WR depth absorb the targets?

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25 minutes ago, Weebs210 said:

Anything changed now that Lee is done for the year? Or will the WR depth absorb the targets?

Doesn't move the needle for me. I didn't think Lee was that much better than the guys behind him, so his loss combined with their depth at the position is just about a wash.

I feel like I'm on the fence about ASJ, but I keep landing him in best ball leagues, so either I like him or everyone else hates him. I don't expect much from him, but he should have a few unpredictable but fantasy relevant games. Would not want him in a normal setup where I have to pick the weeks to start him.

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Austin Seferian-Jenkins (core-muscle injury) is not expected to practice Wednesday.

It's the first we've heard of the injury after ASJ appeared in the regular-season tuneup third preseason game. He caught 1-of-2 targets for 14 yards this summer. ASJ would be on the streaming radar against a Giants team that was flattened by tight ends last year, but he may not be healthy.

Source: Tad Dickman on Twitter 

Sep 5 - 10:36 AM

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I think the guy has talent, but the Jags are going to rely on Fournette and not the arm of Bortles to ASJ to win games so his fantasy value will be mediocre at best. I even think Cole is a better receiving option than ASJ here.

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1 hour ago, Survivor7700 said:

I think the guy has talent, but the Jags are going to rely on Fournette and not the arm of Bortles to ASJ to win games so his fantasy value will be mediocre at best. I even think Cole is a better receiving option than ASJ here.

Well everyone knows Cole is the better receiving option, but I do think ASJ has value here.  The injury scares me but if he's healthy, I see him used quite a bit.  Jags don't have much of a slot receiver role and Bortles is likely gonna play a bit safer this year down the middle of the field to limit turnovers.  Could see him with 5-8 targets a game.

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This Sunday is a tough call for ASJ owners...the matchup is tasty but I would have liked to seen more run from the two of them in the preseason.  ASJ left the 3rd game early

I'm very much in a wait-and-see mode if the production matches the potential.  Average 5 targets/game seems about right

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I feel like they will be high quality targets, off play action on a good run first team, and targets in the RZ. I'd like to know what the injury is, though. I have him in a glutton of daily week 1 lineups.

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23 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I feel like they will be high quality targets, off play action on a good run first team, and targets in the RZ. I'd like to know what the injury is, though. I have him in a glutton of daily week 1 lineups.

If you are fluent in coachspeak, this might be helpful. Otherwise, probably not

Marrone “uncomfortable,” ASJ not expected to practice

https://www.jaguars.com/news/wednesday-marrone-uncomfortable-asj-not-expected-to-practice

Regarding Seferian-Jenkins’ injury:

Marrone said he has been practicing recently with a “nagging” core muscle issue and was sore after attempting to catch a pass earlier this week.

“We’re just going to be smart about it,” he said, adding of Seferian-Jenkins’ status for Sunday, “I feel like he’ll play, but you never know. That’s me saying it; not him or the doctors.”

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22 minutes ago, doeseatplace said:

If you are fluent in coachspeak, this might be helpful. Otherwise, probably not

Marrone “uncomfortable,” ASJ not expected to practice

https://www.jaguars.com/news/wednesday-marrone-uncomfortable-asj-not-expected-to-practice

Regarding Seferian-Jenkins’ injury:

Marrone said he has been practicing recently with a “nagging” core muscle issue and was sore after attempting to catch a pass earlier this week.

“We’re just going to be smart about it,” he said, adding of Seferian-Jenkins’ status for Sunday, “I feel like he’ll play, but you never know. That’s me saying it; not him or the doctors.”

yuk

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Core-muscle injuries are what the sports world used to call sports hernia because they didn’t have a grasp on what it actually was. It’s not a good injury but there are various degrees that can be played through. I know he’s a popular streamer with a lot of DFS guys and what not but I would avoid on the season because of this issue. I also wouldn’t stream him even though he’s against the Giants. I don’t think we’ll see the real ASJ this year which is unfortunate.

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8 minutes ago, doeseatplace said:

And ASJ loses another TD....different team, same result

Guy is the king of almost TDs. That would have been a pretty spectacular one. 

 

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3 minutes ago, tombonneau said:

Guy is the king of almost TDs. That would have been a pretty spectacular one. 

 

It's got to come together one of these times. 

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42 minutes ago, doeseatplace said:

And ASJ loses another TD....different team, same result

What happened? Didn't see it.

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Illegal hands to the face penalty on Jags LG Norwell negated it

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2 games in he's 6-48-1 on 10 targets.

He is who we thought he was.  Hard to square the fact that such an athletic man in just a catch-and-fall guy on the field.

Not sure it gets any better from here--jags obviously have plenty of pass catchers who can make things happen in space, and the loss of LT Cam Robinson for the year may mean fewer routes and more help on pass protection.

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