massraider
Footballguy
No, because when I heard him speak, he sounded like a jagoff. So, I think he's a jagoff. He may not be, or may outgrow it, it's not always a permanent condition.
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QB Jameis Winston, NO (10 Viewers)
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Capella
Footballguy
massraider
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gump
Footballguy
People see what they want. I just want what's best for the Bucs...and I agree with you. His grammar isn't great...never has been...but I see leadership skills there.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Why are you so high on him exactly? Not challenging or doubting just curious.
cstu
Footballguy
He's a huge FSU fan.
gump
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
No. I hated EJ and Ponder coming out. Laughed out loud when EJ went in round 1. Good try though.
Capella
Footballguy
Throws with best anticipation I've seen out of a college QB other than Luck. Not scared of the moment. Tremendous, tremendous leader. Plenty of arm and has demonstrated every throw an NFL QB has to make, particularly in tight pockets.
Made some bad throws this year but he was playing with 3 true freshman out of the 4 main skill spots. For some reason people continue to disregard this. If he was a dork off the field, or not a black guy from Alabama with a thick southern accent people would be tripping over themselves about him.
cstu
Footballguy
Yes, I would rather have a dork off the field like Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, wait...every other successful NFL QB.
Capella
Footballguy
Manning had a sexual assault charge in college too. Pulled his #### out in front of some girl.
cstu
Footballguy
It was actually teabagging, but while stupid and a crime it was done in a locker room to a member of the staff in front of witnesses. I don't get it but it's a weird Southern thing that the people down there think is normal.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It's real puzzling to me how so many think Winston is the better bet than Mariota.
There are just as many on field concerns about Winston as there are Mariota, only one has consistently ####ed up off the field (and done some dumb things on it too) while the other is reportedly everything you want in a leader on and off the field.
I mean, if Winston didn't have holes on the field, fine, I get it. I probably disagree, but I get it. The problem is his 2014 showed a lot of bad signs of things that may come. It isn't on his teammates either. A laundry list of terrible decisions and poor execution.
There are just as many on field concerns about Winston as there are Mariota, only one has consistently ####ed up off the field (and done some dumb things on it too) while the other is reportedly everything you want in a leader on and off the field.
I mean, if Winston didn't have holes on the field, fine, I get it. I probably disagree, but I get it. The problem is his 2014 showed a lot of bad signs of things that may come. It isn't on his teammates either. A laundry list of terrible decisions and poor execution.
gump
Footballguy
We've seen him drop back in the pocket and make NFL throws...under pressure and in big moments...as a kid...maybe it's an outdated mindset, but you can't help but be more comfortable with what you've seen than MM.
jurb26
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
The more I watch the worse it is. So much worse year two. It isn't on his supporting cast either. He repeatedly makes bad decisions and is sloppy with his mechanics.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
If anything, that showed that he is coachable.
Quez
Footballguy
I thought he did great in his pc, and it sounded like the analyst on NFL Network all thought he did as well.
I particularly thought it was impressive how he said "it's not going to be about me and Marcus after the combine. Hopefully, it will be about me vs Brady & me vs Manning"
He also put emphasis on this will be his 1st full off season to just focus on only on football.
There is no doubt about it Jameis is a smooth talker. He is much more comfortable talking in public than Mariota.
I particularly thought it was impressive how he said "it's not going to be about me and Marcus after the combine. Hopefully, it will be about me vs Brady & me vs Manning"
He also put emphasis on this will be his 1st full off season to just focus on only on football.
There is no doubt about it Jameis is a smooth talker. He is much more comfortable talking in public than Mariota.
jurb26
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Dumbest smart guy fits him pretty well actually.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I was wrong about Cam Newton. I was right about J.Russel and RGIII and Vince Young.
I'm putting Jameis Winston with the latter 3 - I don't have any faith he'll ever put it together. The world is full of exceptional talent physically that just don't have what it takes to excel mentally.
I'll take my chances on Mariota although I'm not just super super excited about him either.
I'm putting Jameis Winston with the latter 3 - I don't have any faith he'll ever put it together. The world is full of exceptional talent physically that just don't have what it takes to excel mentally.
I'll take my chances on Mariota although I'm not just super super excited about him either.
massraider
Footballguy
I heard he didn't rape anyone in the interviews, which was a good move.
"Hey, Jameis, when you do the interviews, these are the things you should say....Oh, and don't force oral sex on anyone, they can't STAND that."
Capella
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
This is literally the first time I've even heard it mentioned.
massraider
Footballguy
You've brought up his race more than once. No one else has.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I have no clue if Winson is dumb, but while he came off well in that presser yesterday, actions speak louder than words, and he needs to stop doing dumb ### things off the field before some believe he has the tools, the mentality and the brains to be a franchise QB for the long haul.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
Matt Waldman @MattWaldman 49m49 minutes ago
I bet Jameis Winston is working with Whitfield is the spread of his feet during throws. Too wide in gms/reduces potential zip.
Jeff-LJ-Lloyd @Jeff_LJ_Lloyd 48m48 minutes ago
@MattWaldman and causes his ball to rise,
This stuff is why I like following the draft process. Learning about the minutia.
edit: and then: what's fixable? what's coachable?
I bet Jameis Winston is working with Whitfield is the spread of his feet during throws. Too wide in gms/reduces potential zip.
Jeff-LJ-Lloyd @Jeff_LJ_Lloyd 48m48 minutes ago
@MattWaldman and causes his ball to rise,
This stuff is why I like following the draft process. Learning about the minutia.
edit: and then: what's fixable? what's coachable?
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Capella
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Technically you weren't right about Griffin until he tore his ACL - he had one of the best rookie seasons by a QB in history.
I had concerns about Cam as a passer but that was negated somewhat by his ability to put up 1500/20 on the ground. I have Mariota in the same boat but think he's ahead of where Cam was as a passer when he came into the league.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Jameis is not an exceptional physical talent, so you completely lost me.
MAC_32
Footballguy
The immaturity is evident on the field too. That's a bigger problem imho
jurb26
Footballguy
Somebody said every throw has been perfect so far... Which prompted that comment by Mayock.
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