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^^^ Right on, thanks!
Hard to say, since Sark is a total nut, but it's been trending the right direction I think.^^^ Thanks for talking me in off the ledge. Your thoughts on Atlanta recommitting to the run for this home stretch?
Totally agree with the first (though, I think you're being kind), hope you're right about the second.Hard to say, since Sark is a total nut, but it's been trending the right direction I think.
They've been running the ball more frequently (in terms of the pass to rush ratio) over the past month than they did over the first six games of the season, which could mean something or absolutely nothing. In spite of last night's stinker, I trust Coleman as an RB2 (mostly on volume alone) against any defense until Freeman gets back, whereupon I think Freeman becomes an RB2 (8-10 points in my half point PPR league would be my guess. Something like 13 to 15 touches for 70 to 80 yards with a shot at a touchdown), and Coleman becomes a what the hell flex play. I think you'll be disappointed if you're still holding out for RB1 numbers for Freemen, but I think he'll be a serviceable RB2 if/when he comes back.
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40010034-4Falcons RB Devonta Freeman remains in the concussion protocol. Although he feels ready to play, according to source close to him, he still has to go through the entire process before being cleared. The Falcons will let it play all the way out, day to day, with this being Freeman's second concussion since August and third since November of 2015. Tevin Coleman rushed for just 43 yards on 20 carries but scored a TD starting in place of Freeman during Monday night's 34-31 win at Seattle
He may be ready to play, but it makes me uneasy that he's still being held out. Concussions are no joke, especially when it's two in four months. Hopefully, he's back for the following game, but I wouldn't hold my breath.http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40010034-4
Good news is he "feels ready to play," which is definitely a step in the right direction, but doesn't mean much for his prospects to play this weekend until we see him on the practice field. I'll remain doubtful until we see him get in a full practice and get that doctor's approval, but still...baby steps.
For his own long-term health, I honestly hope he sits at least a couple more games out –– if not the season. This isn't an ankle or a shoulder. This is his mind. Better safe than sorry.He may be ready to play, but it makes me uneasy that he's still being held out. Concussions are no joke, especially when it's two in four months. Hopefully, he's back for the following game, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
I think the Falcons would be wise to hold him out an extra week at least.For his own long-term health, I honestly hope he sits at least a couple more games out –– if not the season. This isn't an ankle or a shoulder. This is his mind. Better safe than sorry.
I probably sit git for L Murray this wk, not sure yetDan Quinn says Freeman has cleared the concussion protocol, will return this week.
For those Freeman owners, who has the stones to start him this week? Against MN, in an uncertain timeshare, he'll probably be on my bench for Marvin Jones or Juju (if I am certain of Juju's availability come Sunday).
Glad to have him back with a week to get back on track before the playoffs begin though.
I disagree. Freeman had a concussion, and while it's super concerning that he's had multiple incidents this year, this isn't like a high grade sprain or minor tear or a broken bone -- if Freeman is cleared, I'm not sure what bringing him back slowly does. If he's clear, he plays with his full, regular load.Unless I was in a desperate position and absolutely needed to start him, I'd pass 10/10 and go with the serviceable backup. Tevin proved he's more than capable of handling a full workload, and against Minnesota, I would imagine they bring Freeman along slowly. See how he does for one week and then make the call on rolling him out in the playoffs. Really wish there was an additional week to see him in action. He's a risky proposition in the fantasy playoffs as far as I'm concerned.
Don't disagree with you there. Davante Adams is a prime example that you can come back from a concussion and be very productive the following week. But I think Freeman is a different situation, as he's now had two concussions since August. If an independent neurologist is giving him the green light, that obviously means he's good to go, but I doubt he gets his regular load back right away. Just my opinion.I disagree. Freeman had a concussion, and while it's super concerning that he's had multiple incidents this year, this isn't like a high grade sprain or minor tear or a broken bone -- if Freeman is cleared, I'm not sure what bringing him back slowly does. If he's clear, he plays with his full, regular load.
Unfortunately, concussions are really tricky and another one for Freeman would be truly bad. But not sure babying him/lightening his load to protect him from another one makes any sense.
Totally get you. You may be right. But I guess my feeling is that a lighter workload doesn't necessarily lower the risk of another concussion happening as opposed to a player perhaps operating in a limited capacity coming back from another kind of injury, and where a lower workload helps the player's healing process.Don't disagree with you there. Davante Adams is a prime example that you can come back from a concussion and be very productive the following week. But I think Freeman is a different situation, as he's now had two concussions since August. If an independent neurologist is giving him the green light, that obviously means he's good to go, but I doubt he gets his regular load back right away. Just my opinion.
It holds to reason that the less you play, the less chance for re-injury. This holds for concussions too. And in a way, it's even more important to be cautious with a guy coming back from multiple concussions.But I guess my feeling is that a lighter workload doesn't necessarily lower the risk of another concussion happening as opposed to a player perhaps operating in a limited capacity coming back from another kind of injury, and where a lower workload helps the player's healing process.
This. Sorry; missed it before making the same point.I disagree. Freeman had a concussion, and while it's super concerning that he's had multiple incidents this year, this isn't like a high grade sprain or minor tear or a broken bone -- if Freeman is cleared, I'm not sure what bringing him back slowly does. If he's clear, he plays with his full, regular load.
Unfortunately, concussions are really tricky and another one for Freeman would be truly bad. But not sure babying him/lightening his load to protect him from another one makes any sense.
No worries, my man, you may have put it a little more succinctly and clearly than I did.This. Sorry; missed it before making the same point.
Anyone with multiple recent concussions is at a higher risk of repeat concussions. That's just how concussions work. Him being out of the protocol means he's not currently concussed. But he's still at an increased risk of another one than someone who hasn't had a recent concussion.Correct me if I'm wrong:
If Freeman was at an increased risk for another concussion, he wouldn't be playing. If they're going to limit his touches this weekend, they might as well continue doing so moving forward - as he's no more likely to get one Sunday than he is a year from now. This isn't a tissue issue where he's trying to play at 90%; he's at 100%.
Right?
Are you suggesting that his brain is still healing, and that at some point he will be less susceptible to future concussions than he will be on Sunday? I don't think that is the case - and if it is, he shouldn't be playing at all.Anyone with multiple recent concussions is at a higher risk of repeat concussions. That's just how concussions work. Him being out of the protocol means he's not currently concussed. But he's still at an increased risk of another one than someone who hasn't had a recent concussion.
ATB said:Anyone with multiple recent concussions is at a higher risk of repeat concussions. That's just how concussions work. Him being out of the protocol means he's not currently concussed. But he's still at an increased risk of another one than someone who hasn't had a recent concussion.
From what I heard from a concussion specialist when my son received his second concussion is one season of football, was that after a person has a concussion, they are 90% more likely to have a second concussion in the first two weeks thereafter than they are after two weeks out. However, this statistic was based purely on historical data, and they could not conclusively state that it meant you were physically more susceptible to another concussion in the first two weeks.Concept Coop said:Are you suggesting that his brain is still healing, and that at some point he will be less susceptible to future concussions than he will be on Sunday? I don't think that is the case - and if it is, he shouldn't be playing at all.
Excellent postI'm probably more concerned about him going up against a stout run defense than I am of ATL limiting his playing time for a risk of future concussions. He's had time off and he's cleared the concussion protocols. The doctors said he could play, and now his coaches are going to use him. It's a business, and if Freeman says he can play, and the doctors say he can play, then he's going to play. The coaches are still trying to get into the playoffs, which I don't see them doing if they are going to start limiting some of their best athletes due to fear of future concussions/injuries.
Freeman knows the risks of obtaining future concussions, yet he's opting to go back out and play. I don't think the coaches will limit him, unless he simply isn't performing on the field.
That's a good example of what I'm getting at, here (and sorry your son had to experience that).From what I heard from a concussion specialist when my son received his second concussion is one season of football, was that after a person has a concussion, they are 90% more likely to have a second concussion in the first two weeks thereafter than they are after two weeks out. However, this statistic was based purely on historical data, and they could not conclusively state that it meant you were physically more susceptible to another concussion in the first two weeks.
Again, not trying to claim it as absolute truth, only what was conveyed to me by one specialist.
To be fair, this third concussion was never confirmed. We can suspect, but this came from one player in the league and everyone in the organization denied it, so it's hardly something we know.That's a good example of what I'm getting at, here (and sorry your son had to experience that).
If we all do just a little bit of research, we'll come to understand that multiple concussions increase your risk for further concussions. It's just a known effect of, essentially, the weakening of the brain.
Here's just one of many links that back this up: https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20031118/one-concussion-increases-risk-of-more#1
"Players with a history of three or more previous concussions were three times more likely to have a concussion within the season than those without a history of a concussion."
We know Freeman has had 2 concussions this season and a 3rd that went unreported. That's 3 concussions in the same season. He is at HIGH risk of receiving another in the same season.
His coaching staff knows this. Any doctor they've spoken with about Freeman has told them this. My bet is we see that knowledge affect his playing time and the kinda situations they put him in on the field (i.e., not goal-line or short yardage and possibly a snap count).
All this directed @Concept Coop as well.
Coach Quinn said their won't be a limit on Devonta Freeman on Sunday, he's fresh and ready to go. Quinn is really excited to have both of his top RBs back healthy
https://twitter.com/FalconsKelsey/status/936285558338400256Dan Quinn says Devonta Freeman is "so excited to get going. Football fuels him." #Falcons
If the coach speak is true, then I expect back end RB2 numbers this week against MIN. I've been flip flopping between flexing Freeman or Marvin Jones all week (because Marvin Jones also has a nasty match-up), but Freeman would get the start over my Dez, Alfred Morris, and Juju (assuming Juju returns to full health), if that helps at all.I don't know if I can start either hm or Coleman this week. Against this defense, this is literally worst case scenario.
Coach speak, IMO. Falcons' team doctors have no doubt spoken with Coach Quinn at length about Freeman's increased risk for further concussions. He has no reason to force Freeman into the fold when Coleman is producing sufficiently.
The more I think about it, the more I agree with this prediction.Coach speak, IMO. Falcons' team doctors have no doubt spoken with Coach Quinn at length about Freeman's increased risk for further concussions. He has no reason to force Freeman into the fold when Coleman is producing sufficiently.
My prediction: Coleman gets more carries this week while Falcons maintain a cautious approach with Freeman. 60/40 split in Coleman's favor.
FWIW, I'm starting both Freeman and Coleman at this moment. I might change that but I'm hoping for about 10 points from each and if, god forbid, Freeman is pulled from the game for whatever reason then Coleman makes up for his lack of production (hopefully).The more I think about it, the more I agree with this prediction.
Yep. I'll still (probably) be rolling out Freeman in my flex, regardless of the expected split mentioned above and tough defense. At some point, the other players I'd be plugging into that spot come with their own share of sizeable risks, so I might as well bet on the most talented option to win out.FWIW, I'm starting both Freeman and Coleman at this moment. I might change that but I'm hoping for about 10 points from each and if, god forbid, Freeman is pulled from the game for whatever reason then Coleman makes up for his lack of production (hopefully).
if the games stays close he should have close to 100 yards rushing with a good chance at a TD. It sucks that Levitre is out but ATL's offensive line matches up real well with NO's porous run DWhat are thoughts on Freeman's productivity against the Saints and his involvement in the game script?
Freeman scares me. In general I just don't believe in Atlanta this year and the idea of hinging my playoffs on any asset on that team is just not sitting well with me at all. Probably going to start him, but don't love it.What are thoughts on Freeman's productivity against the Saints and his involvement in the game script?
Will you know that by Thursday when freeman plays?If Mixon is out, I will bench him for Bernard and Dion Lewis in full PPR. It pains me to do it, but too much can go wrong for him.
Freeman will get his 12 carries, maybe a catch or two, average a healthy 6 ypc and end up with 8-10 fantasy points just like he's done ever since I traded for him 2 months agoWhat are thoughts on Freeman's productivity against the Saints and his involvement in the game script?