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RB Devonta Freeman, BAL (2 Viewers)
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Ito Smith
In the circumstance where Freeman is injured and misses games I would expect more of a time share between Smith and Hill than there will be with Freeman healthy.
Thanks. I hear a lot of people talking up Hill in the last month, but all of the concrete evidence points to Smith.
I agree that if Freeman goes down, Smith's share of carries will be lower than Freeman's by a significant amt.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I think the timeshare was more due to Atlanta playing terribly and Ryan never getting going, but Ito's workload is a concern. It should be noted in the 2nd half they were mixing in constantly... Ito got a play or two, then Freeman got a few, and vice versa.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Brutal.
The Frankman
Footballguy
update to my last post:
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Bounceback game at home? I'm already panicking.
djmich
Footballguy
Hard for me to see this solely as a positive. Is the implication that they were behind so much that they gave up and put in Ito?
Maybe.
Or, Freemans performance was bad and they wanted to see if Ito could provide a spark.
Will see how it plays out.
against Philly's front? Probably not, but I expect it to be a little better than this past Sunday, lol...
The Frankman
Footballguy
I think if it's a non-blowout you see more Freeman. It should be noted the bulk of Ito's actual runs seemed to come in the 2nd half, but Freeman and Smith shared drives the whole half. They were trying to get back and find some combo of plays/protections that would help. In a typical situation with Atlanta ahead I dunno if Ito gets that type of run and clock-killing duties.
rockaction
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And just as much running in quicksand. Holy heck, that looked really bad. Maybe MN's defense deserves credit, but he went nowhere. That was worse than Sony.The Frankman said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
This was my observation as well.The Frankman said:
Surprisingly they asked Ito Smith to block a lot. The protection was such that they were just trying to find a way to get enough time for Ryan to make a play.
Being down by that much already, they had pretty much given up on the run by then.
The Vikings stopped pressuring as much and laid back in a zone. That's when most of their offensive success happened
skol asylum
Footballguy
Pretty disappointed after trading for him in the off-season. Thought he might make a big comeback as he's still pretty young, has done it before, and Coleman being gone. Hopefully he gets it going a bit.
rockaction
Footballguy
I've never been sold on him, but at least he was productive. Injuries have sapped him, unfortunately. He helped me win a title once from the third round at RB2 the year I drafted AP and went RB-RB-RB-RB off the bat. I wish him well and hope he turns it around.
Nucker101
Footballguy
Would love to see his splits between getting 15+ carries and getting less than 15. I feel like he's one of those dudes that needs to get into a rhythm to be effective, similar to Derrick Henry for example(I haven't looked at his splits either, but I'm guessing he gets stronger as he gets more carries as well).
Either that or the injuries have ruined him. I've never been super high on him as a talent, but he was a solid NFL starter and is still relatively young so this state is pretty surprising. I'm tempted to buy low on him.
Either that or the injuries have ruined him. I've never been super high on him as a talent, but he was a solid NFL starter and is still relatively young so this state is pretty surprising. I'm tempted to buy low on him.
dipandglide
Footballguy
The Atlanta Falcons select, D'Andre Swift, RB, Georgia
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I looked into this once and as best I can tell it's just a useless cliche. My research was by no means comprehensive but I looked up a handful of the guys I could think of that people would say "got stronger as the game went on" and every one I looked up had a LOWER ypc in the 4th quarter, LOWER ypc on carries 20+, etc. Adrian Peterson, Emmitt Smith, Derrick Henry, etc.
Logically, I can see a defense getting tired against a split backfield and the RBs being fresher at the end of the game, but outside of the cliche it makes no sense that a RB would get stronger as he gets more tired, nor that he would "wear down" a defense of 11 guys all by his lonesome.
Regarding the 2nd paragraph, honestly I think that's what it is. The Devonta Freeman in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago was explosive and dynamic. This guy looks nothing like that. As I mentioned above, It's "explosiveness" looks refreshing when he comes into the game comparatively, and I don't think he's actually very explosive at all.
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The Frankman
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The big problem was Eagles literally selling out every time he was in the game. In the game thread I was screaming for play action off Freeman because the Eagles seemed to only sell out when he was in the game (weren't doing it for Ito probably since he's a better pass-catcher). They actually started doing it the 2nd half as well as passing to Freeman to get the Eagles out of that look. From watching him in the passing game he still has the juice, he just needs some rhythm and help from the line. He's definitely not the Freeman from 2017, but he still can be productive; he's still the lead back + goal line back and once they face easier competition I think he will have better days.
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Ministry of Pain
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Big Freeman fan or let's say that the RB position for Atlanta in general should be a pretty explosive position because how can defenses key in on Freeman?
2015-1634/14 TD
2016-1541/13 TD
2017-1,182/8TD...missed two games or this might have been 3 seasons double digit TDs.
2018-Injury cost him almost entire season...
2019-Not a good start and I do partly blame the OL.
Last night he was off to a decent start on the first drive and then he was off the field after 3 runs...Then Freeman would get stuffed badly on his next couple runs being tackled 4-5 yards behind the LOS. Then it was one drive Freeman, one drive Smith...Ito was not blazing a trail until he broke free in the 2nd half. There was never a moment where I felt the Falcons were better off handing it to Smith...that has not happened in either game I've watched where I felt like Freeman needed to be replaced. I also think Freeman is a weapon in the passing game. He avg 8 ypc over his career and had 73 in 2015...but now they have other weapons and they don't utilize Freeman as often in the short passing game which is a big mistake in my book.
Atlanta was having success underneath with Hooper and Freeman early on but went away from that in favor of JJ and WRs which is understandable however on like 6 targets to JJ early only yielded 1 catch and that's why they were locked up 3-3 until about midway into the 2nd if I recall last night.
It's easy to look at box scores and say this guy is better than this guy but never did I watch Smith last night and think changing of the guard. Next few weeks they have road games @Indy, TEN, @Hou, @AZ...outside of Houston, those others are not thought of as strong playoff teams with deep run aspirations. I am concerned if the Falcons are committed to the run when they have JJ, Ridley and Sanu, the challenge is they need to balance with the run to sustain drives. And Matt Ryan made two poor decisions last night, each of them lead directly to Philly TDs, that's not a recipe for success.
I think Freeman is a buy low, he's a leader on the team and in no way is being relegated to spot duty any time soon. It would be nice if he would establish himself though with a solid ground performance.
2015-1634/14 TD
2016-1541/13 TD
2017-1,182/8TD...missed two games or this might have been 3 seasons double digit TDs.
2018-Injury cost him almost entire season...
2019-Not a good start and I do partly blame the OL.
Last night he was off to a decent start on the first drive and then he was off the field after 3 runs...Then Freeman would get stuffed badly on his next couple runs being tackled 4-5 yards behind the LOS. Then it was one drive Freeman, one drive Smith...Ito was not blazing a trail until he broke free in the 2nd half. There was never a moment where I felt the Falcons were better off handing it to Smith...that has not happened in either game I've watched where I felt like Freeman needed to be replaced. I also think Freeman is a weapon in the passing game. He avg 8 ypc over his career and had 73 in 2015...but now they have other weapons and they don't utilize Freeman as often in the short passing game which is a big mistake in my book.
Atlanta was having success underneath with Hooper and Freeman early on but went away from that in favor of JJ and WRs which is understandable however on like 6 targets to JJ early only yielded 1 catch and that's why they were locked up 3-3 until about midway into the 2nd if I recall last night.
It's easy to look at box scores and say this guy is better than this guy but never did I watch Smith last night and think changing of the guard. Next few weeks they have road games @Indy, TEN, @Hou, @AZ...outside of Houston, those others are not thought of as strong playoff teams with deep run aspirations. I am concerned if the Falcons are committed to the run when they have JJ, Ridley and Sanu, the challenge is they need to balance with the run to sustain drives. And Matt Ryan made two poor decisions last night, each of them lead directly to Philly TDs, that's not a recipe for success.
I think Freeman is a buy low, he's a leader on the team and in no way is being relegated to spot duty any time soon. It would be nice if he would establish himself though with a solid ground performance.
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
I wonder if I can get a 2nd round pick for him.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
He scored more points than CMC this week.
Just keeping it in perspective. They've had two very tough games starting out the season. Green Bay did run all over Minnesota though...
Just keeping it in perspective. They've had two very tough games starting out the season. Green Bay did run all over Minnesota though...
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Non existent in the passing game and his OL doesn't open enough holes for him to get a chance to make it into the second level often enough.
In non PPR he only had about 8-9 points and in PPR he scraped up 10 basically. I didn't get excited and he has nobody pushing for touches now.
I don't know that he is "Done", don't think anyone here can honestly feel qualified to make that statement, if Atlanta thought this guy was toast, I think they would have moved in another direction...they are paying the price for a below avg OL that also has sustained some injuries.
In non PPR he only had about 8-9 points and in PPR he scraped up 10 basically. I didn't get excited and he has nobody pushing for touches now.
I don't know that he is "Done", don't think anyone here can honestly feel qualified to make that statement, if Atlanta thought this guy was toast, I think they would have moved in another direction...they are paying the price for a below avg OL that also has sustained some injuries.
shadrap
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Sasgaard
Footballguy
weirdly enough, I actually feel better today after this weekend. Yeah, the stat line is not great but he did look good yesterday. I think it's a question of time until he gets involved once again on short "dump" passes and starts pilling up the points. He looked like he got most of his speed and agility back.....the O Line just plain sucks so I think leadership will find ways to get him the ball in different ways....in PPR, he might become really relevant really soon.....
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It should be noted Matt Ryan has thrown 6 interceptions in 3 games, he threw 7 all of last year.
He is throwing them when Atlanta gets inside enemy territory and that is killing Freeman getting chances to rip one to the house from say inside the 20 or 30 yd line.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Never pretty but he's getting it done on receptions.
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dcgangstas
Footballguy
Freeman's really getting it done in the passing game.
Welcome back to being relevant, Devonta.
Welcome back to being relevant, Devonta.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
12-18-18-26 PPR last 4 weeks, likely a Top12 RB over that space.
The Frankman
Footballguy
... how is this fluky Rotoworld?? The Atlanta offense likes to pass to their RBs and two years ago him and Tevin Coleman were getting like 3-4 catches a game out of the backfield regularly. Is it his running yards? Sure the O-Line is bad but if there are holes, he's shown he has enough juice to break through them and get good yardage.
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I guess the double digit receiving TDs, but Freeman caught 77 passes a few years ago, he’s a darn good receiving back.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Freeman played 72% of the offensive snaps to Smith's 26% according to FootballOutsiders. So when Freeman is cooking they'll lean heavily on him, which kinds smashes the idea of a timeshare. If the line can play not terrible, Freeman can be a Top 15 back due to his receiving volume and the Tecmo Bowl O.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I just saw the play and this was the most BS ejection. I'll post the vid but ... yikes is right.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I posted in the game thread he got tossed for punching Aaron Donald who was manhandling him, just ridiculous
PennStater77
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Entitled to your opinion but over the last 4 weeks he was Top12 at RB, in fact Top10 so that's not trash.
Atlanta coaching and offense in general might be trash but Freeman can only do so much.
Ministry of Pain
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