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7 minutes ago, ATB said:

This feels like the exact scenario that Freeman has been holding out for. Didn't he get some offers and turn them down? We all thought he was overvaluing himself and apparently his agent did too, but I imagine the guy knew a spot would open up by means of injury and then he'd have a lot of power in negotiations. 

I went ahead and dropped Bryan Edwards today to pickup Freeman just to wait and see. 

Really feels like he'll be a Giant by week's end. 

ok, let's assume that Freeman does sign with the gmen...what realistic numbers can you expect from him?  The Giants look like a train wreck again and the numbers Barkley put up this year were based on his talent and ability which Freeman doesn't have at this point in his career.  Don't get me wrong, he's on my ww add list but I just don't expect much of anything from him in this dead end offense.  I'm thinking Adrian Peterson numbers in the best case scenario.

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29 minutes ago, Banger said:

ok, let's assume that Freeman does sign with the gmen...what realistic numbers can you expect from him?  The Giants look like a train wreck again and the numbers Barkley put up this year were based on his talent and ability which Freeman doesn't have at this point in his career.  Don't get me wrong, he's on my ww add list but I just don't expect much of anything from him in this dead end offense.  I'm thinking Adrian Peterson numbers in the best case scenario.

I wouldn't expect much at all. If I pick up Freeman it's probably to try and move him to a RB needy team. He could catch some passes through which could give him ppr value. 

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They did just play two pretty tough defenses.  This is a perfect scenario for DF and I think he signs by EOW and can be serviceable as a RB3 in all format moving forward as long as he stays healthy.  

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4 hours ago, Banger said:

ok, let's assume that Freeman does sign with the gmen...what realistic numbers can you expect from him?  The Giants look like a train wreck again and the numbers Barkley put up this year were based on his talent and ability which Freeman doesn't have at this point in his career.  Don't get me wrong, he's on my ww add list but I just don't expect much of anything from him in this dead end offense.  I'm thinking Adrian Peterson numbers in the best case scenario.

I feel like we heard the same thing last year in regards to Gallman and he did alright, didn't he? I didn't have him in any leagues so I don't recall his exact numbers but I know he surprised most people. 

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I left this in the other thread. I can pick him up before the game tonight if I drop a player. It would have to be Ruggs. 

If I do, I would try to get Ruggs back or the best available WR when waivers run next week. I'm not playing HR as a starter. 

This would keep me out of the bidding process Freeman, but may lose Ruggs in the process.

Thoughts?

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39 minutes ago, Goooals said:

I left this in the other thread. I can pick him up before the game tonight if I drop a player. It would have to be Ruggs. 

If I do, I would try to get Ruggs back or the best available WR when waivers run next week. I'm not playing HR as a starter. 

This would keep me out of the bidding process Freeman, but may lose Ruggs in the process.

Thoughts?

Pass, even in redraft

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You guys are underestimating him if he joins the NYG.  He shouldn't have a lot of problems getting double digit yards per game behind that o-line.  Sure, there will be some single digit yards games, but probably not more than 4 or 5 games.

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3 hours ago, RC94 said:

You guys are underestimating him if he joins the NYG.  He shouldn't have a lot of problems getting double digit yards per game behind that o-line.  Sure, there will be some single digit yards games, but probably not more than 4 or 5 games.

Do you mean yards or points? lol

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3 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Do you mean yards or points? lol

:lmao: 

shouldn’t be too hard for Evan Engram to get double digit yards

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Just now, Deamon said:

Do you mean yards or points? lol

Yards.  It's already been a problem.  Barkley had 15 carries for 6 yards in week 1.  He had a few stinkers last year too.  As much as they have invested in the o-line, it's not working too well.

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2 minutes ago, RC94 said:

Yards.  It's already been a problem.  Barkley had 15 carries for 6 yards in week 1.  He had a few stinkers last year too.  As much as they have invested in the o-line, it's not working too well.

Ah ok, figured it was a joke haha.  It's not pretty there but if he's the clear lead back then he's most definitely worth a roster spot.

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4 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Ah ok, figured it was a joke haha.  It's not pretty there but if he's the clear lead back then he's most definitely worth a roster spot.

I was mostly joking and I agree - he would be worth a roster spot and should have some good games if he become the lead RB.  That shouldn't be hard for him since they have pretty poor quality depth.

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Freeman was a big PPR value when in Atlanta (59 rec on 71 targets in 2019 on 14 games).  With the Gmen lacking a solid Def, playing catch up and PPR value could make him Flex startable in some leagues.   I carried him all summer with the expectation he would sign after the season started.... I think this is about as good as any possible outcome I could hope for regarding his landing spot! 

If he signs NYG -->  he does not have an easy schedule and won't do much in rush yards.  His only value is PPR

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20 minutes ago, Deamon said:

And he's signing with The Giants.

Rotoworld take:

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Giants agreed to terms with RB Devonta Freeman, formerly of the Falcons. 

NFL Network's Mike Garafolo reports that, provided Freeman passes his COVID-19 test and physical, he will be a Giant. Playing tough to get all offseason after being released by the Falcons, 28-year-old Freeman has finally found the right opportunity. Conditioning will be an issue early on, but he should immediately jump to the front of the line in the Giants' committee. Dion Lewis will be the No. 2, with Wayne Gallman being an afterthought. Lewis is probably still the preferred Week 3 play, with Freeman taking over afterward. A three-down player, Freeman provided consistently diminishing returns as injuries seemed to take their toll in Atlanta. It would not be surprising if he maxed out as more of a FLEX than RB2 in New York, especially considering how bad most Giants game scripts will be. 

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8 minutes ago, richn said:

Beware Giants O line stinks

How did Gallman do after Barkley went down last year? I seem to recall it was better than expected at least. 

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3 minutes ago, ATB said:

How did Gallman do after Barkley went down last year? I seem to recall it was better than expected at least. 

That was a different O-Line.

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Once settled in, I would expect a committee, with Lewis capping Freeman's receptions, and who knows what happens at the  GL. 

if he has Singletary-type value the rest of the year, owners should consider themselves fortunate. I wouldn't be too excited about owning any RB on that team. Y'all saw how a healthy Barkley did. And that was god awful. 

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

To paraphrase a video game idiom - he's a tackle sponge. 

linebacker magnet?

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2 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

Where is Freeman in the waiver wire pecking order?

Jump M. Davis and D. Henderson?

No and no, but closer. 

Short term, Davis is in a much better situation. CMC is obviously coming back, which caps Davis' value. So if you want a high ceiling, short-term, Davis > Freeman. if you want a low ceiling long-term, Freeman is your pony.  Henderson should have value season-long. 

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12 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

No and no, but closer. 

Short term, Davis is in a much better situation. CMC is obviously coming back, which caps Davis' value. So if you want a high ceiling, short-term, Davis > Freeman. if you want a low ceiling long-term, Freeman is your pony.  Henderson should have value season-long. 

Davis could easily be 6 weeks, that's not short term IMHO...I understand what you're saying or thinking...like a champion/playoffs but for many it's survival right now and I'll take Davis on a team that IMO isn't as loaded at WR as some would have you believe. He was a target magnet and Carolina is going to continue to play from behind. 

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12 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

Where is Freeman in the waiver wire pecking order?

Jump M. Davis and D. Henderson?

(Kelley)>Henderson>(McKinnon)>Davis>Freeman is what I currently have. McKinnon vs Davis is tight though. I'm an upside chaser, which is why I bumped Davis down but if I ever play McKinnon I fully expect Shanahan to only call his # a handful of times.

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12 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Davis could easily be 6 weeks, that's not short term IMHO...I understand what you're saying or thinking...like a champion/playoffs but for many it's survival right now and I'll take David on a team that IMO isn't as loaded at WR as some would have you believe. He was a target magnet and Carolina is going to continue to play from behind. 

Still - a 6-week rental, as opposed to a season long gig.

otherwise, I agree. That’s why I think Davis is a better investment regardless. just acknowledging that it is shorter term.

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35 minutes ago, apalmer said:

That was a different O-Line.

Point is, Gallman filled the role of Barkley in his absence and put up similar numbers to my recollection. Barkley didn't do great in his first two games (1.5?) this year but his O-line was new and there was no preseason. I don't think anyone was bailing on Barkley before his injury so idk why you would bail on Freeman. 

That O-line is going to gel sometime over the next few weeks and Freeman is much better than Wayne Gallman. 

Whatever we could have expected from Barkley in the coming weeks, I think we can expect just a tad less from Freeman.

Which is a f#cking gold mine if he's available on waivers. 

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37 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

(Kelley)>Henderson>(McKinnon)>Davis>Freeman is what I currently have. McKinnon vs Davis is tight though. I'm an upside chaser, which is why I bumped Davis down but if I ever play McKinnon I fully expect Shanahan to only call his # a handful of times.

Put me on the list of guys trying to sort out the same mess.  Right now I've got it:

Freeman

McKinnon

Davis

Henderson

Of those, Henderson last is the one I feel most confident about -- Akers and Brown aren't going away, and McVay isn't suddenly going to become a bell-cow guy after buying into the SF committee approach.  That has the look and feel of a classic RBBC headache.  That said, I wouldn't fault anyone for putting Freeman last.  The bust potential is very high there.

BTW my list could look completely different by the time I finalize my waiver claims later tonight.  In fact I fully expect it will.  However the wind blows the moment before I log off and go to bed will decide it.

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4 minutes ago, davearm said:

Put me on the list of guys trying to sort out the same mess.  Right now I've got it:

Freeman

McKinnon

Davis

Henderson

Of those, Henderson last is the one I feel most confident about -- Akers and Brown aren't going away, and McVay isn't suddenly going to become a bell-cow guy after buying into the SF committee approach.  That has the look and feel of a classic RBBC headache.  That said, I wouldn't fault anyone for putting Freeman last.  The bust potential is very high there.

BTW my list could look completely different by the time I finalize my waiver claims later tonight.  In fact I fully expect it will.  However the wind blows the moment before I log off and go to bed will decide it.

I'd go:

1. Davis -- Think he steps right in and has the potential to generate 15-20 PPR points immediately. Win now for me, figure things out later when CMC returns.

2. McKinnon -- Huge value in the very short term and will probably be the 1B to Mostert once he's back on a team that wants to run.

3. Freeman -- Could be starting RB on a team with lots of offensive weapons in a lousy division. Could also be a bust.

4. Henderson -- Need both Brown and Akers to falter. No guarantee of short or long term production.

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1 hour ago, kyoun1e said:

Where is Freeman in the waiver wire pecking order?

Jump M. Davis and D. Henderson?

It depends on so many things.  Is it PPR?  What's your record?  Do you own CMC? 

If you're 2-0 and think you can make the playoffs, Davis loses a lot of value.  I also think CMC is back in 3-4 weeks.  Go Freeman if this is the case. 

If you own CMC, then Davis is the top pick.

Freeman has major bust potential, but I also want to see his deal.  If they paid him good money, they're going to use him.  And they won't be afraid to absolutely run him into the ground.  I like him as a season long flex in standard leagues, while Davis is maybe an RB2 for 3-4 weeks.

Overall I only take Davis over Freeman if I own CMC, or it's a PPR league, or I'm 0-2.  Otherwise It's Freeman for me.

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4 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

I'd go:

1. Davis -- Think he steps right in and has the potential to generate 15-20 PPR points immediately. Win now for me, figure things out later when CMC returns.

2. McKinnon -- Huge value in the very short term and will probably be the 1B to Mostert once he's back on a team that wants to run.

3. Freeman -- Could be starting RB on a team with lots of offensive weapons in a lousy division. Could also be a bust.

4. Henderson -- Need both Brown and Akers to falter. No guarantee of short or long term production.

Can't really argue any of that.  Freeman 3 and Henderson 4 especially.  I think I'm going to keep McKinnon ahead of Davis though.  We could see CMC back on the field in a couple weeks instead of the 4-6 being tossed around.

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2 minutes ago, davearm said:

 We could see CMC back on the field in a couple weeks instead of the 4-6 being tossed around.

Good point. CMC seems like he's AP like in that maybe he's a robot.

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19 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

Good point. CMC seems like he's AP like in that maybe he's a robot.

Not going on IR means they're leaving the door open for a return in 3 weeks.  But if I had to guess it's going to be 4.  So out 3 weeks.

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High ankle sprains are brutal. If you've ever had one and played football, it's nearly impossible to do the things you need to do to be effective. CMC was not allowed to speak to the media after the loss to Tampa, so we really don't know the extent or severity of the injury from the player's mouth. But 4-6 weeks is standard for high ankle sprains, and even then, it's generally a longer process to regaining full capacity. See Saquon Barkley last year when he thought he could cheat time coming back from a high ankle sprain.

 

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The Giants OL does stink, but doesn't mean they can't improve enough to make Freeman viable. I'd still rather have him than Lewis, who looked poor the past few years behind a very good line in Tennessee.

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1 minute ago, zamboni said:

The Giants OL does stink, but doesn't mean they can't improve enough to make Freeman viable. I'd still rather have him than Lewis, who looked poor the past few years behind a very good line in Tennessee.

Devonta Freeman looked so toasted last year that it seemed somebody would put him on a S'more, not sign him up for some more. 

Oof. That was bad. Yet it stands. Carry on.

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2 hours ago, ATB said:

Point is, Gallman filled the role of Barkley in his absence and put up similar numbers to my recollection. Barkley didn't do great in his first two games (1.5?) this year but his O-line was new and there was no preseason. I don't think anyone was bailing on Barkley before his injury so idk why you would bail on Freeman. 

That O-line is going to gel sometime over the next few weeks and Freeman is much better than Wayne Gallman. 

Whatever we could have expected from Barkley in the coming weeks, I think we can expect just a tad less from Freeman.

Which is a f#cking gold mine if he's available on waivers. 

No one was bailing on Barkley because he's a generational talent.  He couldn't run a lick so far...he could do a lot with dump offs.

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With CMC, if the Panthers are 0-7, do they risk bringing him back?  Davis could have value all year....but if the Panthers tank, how much value will he hold? Also, he’s a journeyman RB that is less talented than CMC

Henderson is in RBBC regardless, but he has shown some talent...he may get more touches

McKinnon is in RBBC, but he will earn touches in a dynamic O 

Freeman is on his last legs, playing for a bad team, but will be PPR value as Jones likes targeting the RBs.  Gallman and Lewis will still some snaps

 

Josh Kelley>McKinnon>Freeman>Henderson>Davis
 

 

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41 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Devonta Freeman looked so toasted last year that it seemed somebody would put him on a S'more, not sign him up for some more. 

Oof. That was bad. Yet it stands. Carry on.

So you aren't bidding $50 on him in the FBG league? 

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2 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

So you aren't bidding $50 on him in the FBG league? 

I'm gonna say that you can safely assume that I'm putting bids in as we speak and his name hasn't crossed my mind other than to comment in the Shark Pool.

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

I'm gonna say that you can safely assume that I'm putting bids in as we speak and his name hasn't crossed my mind other than to comment in the Shark Pool.

Ditto

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2 hours ago, ATB said:

Point is, Gallman filled the role of Barkley in his absence and put up similar numbers to my recollection. Barkley didn't do great in his first two games (1.5?) this year but his O-line was new and there was no preseason. I don't think anyone was bailing on Barkley before his injury so idk why you would bail on Freeman. 

That O-line is going to gel sometime over the next few weeks and Freeman is much better than Wayne Gallman. 

Whatever we could have expected from Barkley in the coming weeks, I think we can expect just a tad less from Freeman.

Which is a f#cking gold mine if he's available on waivers. 

Not really. Gallman had a good fantasy game when he filled in, but it was against a terrible Washington team and he still only ran for 3.5 ypc and lost a fumble. When they played later in the year Barkley put up almost 300 total yards and had a 8.6 ypc.

Freeman may be better than Gallman, but he's not even in the same zip code as Barkley. I think that's the largest "tad" in history.

 

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He was RB21 last year and he missed three games. I’ve been ravaged by injuries in a couple leagues already, so I’m taking a shot. He may be pedestrian running the football, but he didn’t forget how to catch. 

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4 hours ago, Deamon said:


Freeman has major bust potential, but I also want to see his deal.  If they paid him good money, they're going to use him. 

Reportedly a 1-year deal for $3 million, which I believe is less than what the Seahawks offered him but that was to a backup, so I'm assuming there's an understanding he's the starter. 

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RB is #### show this season in FF......he's worth a shot, I mean he got a job let's see what happens

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5 hours ago, ATB said:

Reportedly a 1-year deal for $3 million, which I believe is less than what the Seahawks offered him but that was to a backup, so I'm assuming there's an understanding he's the starter. 

Or, Freeman is getting desperate.  To me, 3 Million is not starter money. It seems more like veteran depth money.  

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Fantasy owners of Freeman will have to be patient for at least a week or two.  He probably won't get a lot of carries his first week.  He's still the guy you want over Lewis.  Some will argue PPR and that has some merit, but Freeman will be their starting RB very soon, if not his first week.

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17 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Still - a 6-week rental, as opposed to a season long gig.

otherwise, I agree. That’s why I think Davis is a better investment regardless. just acknowledging that it is shorter term.

Yes in theory on the 6 weeks rental but there is some upside here for a longer period because high ankle sprains are really tricky for RBs especially for RBs that shifty. Who knows how long it's gonna take for CMC to come back full speed so Davis might have upside for longer than 6 weeks. 

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