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13 hours ago, [scooter] said:

The psychic show was alright, but a lot of it was done before (and done better) by South Park.

And before that, the Simpsons did it.

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8 hours ago, Nick Vermeil said:

Great show tonight. Love the drive by on Leno.  

That segment & interview on public shaming was terrific.

Best thing I saw this weekend

She's in a great place now. Came across as articulate, funny & a strong woman.

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30 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

That segment & interview on public shaming was terrific.

Best thing I saw this weekend

She's in a great place now. Came across as articulate, funny & a strong woman.

Yep. Apparently that which doesn't kill you does indeed make you stronger

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34 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

That segment & interview on public shaming was terrific.

Best thing I saw this weekend

She's in a great place now. Came across as articulate, funny & a strong woman.

Heard this was great; will check it out.

It's amazing how every single tabloid scandal from the '90s, from Monica to Tanya Harding to the OJ trial to Lorena Bobbit, was, in retrospect, a tale of blatant misogyny.

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3 hours ago, Mario Kart said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8UQ4O7UiDs

Pretty good spot. Too bad he didn't mention anything about Linda McMahon and what she might have accomplished the last couple of years... or unaccomplished.

Jim Cornette called it "the most truthful piece on the business by outside media."

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1-800-824-1223

Not sure if you get a mobile phone company or not but I'm surprised they didn't block the number out.

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This is really good.

This drug crisis we have, we should treat it like the tobacco crisis. Go hard, and go after the makers of these drugs, the promoters of the drugs, and so on. Quit #####footing around this issue and go right for the brains of the operation.

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Just now, Mario Kart said:

This is really good.

This drug crisis we have, we should treat it like the tobacco crisis. Go hard, and go after the makers of these drugs, the promoters of the drugs, and so on. Quit #####footing around this issue and go right for the brains of the operation.

They should be in jail. Town of 400 got several million pills prescribed? Yeah nothing to see here.

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25 minutes ago, Mario Kart said:

This is really good.

This drug crisis we have, we should treat it like the tobacco crisis. Go hard, and go after the makers of these drugs, the promoters of the drugs, and so on. Quit #####footing around this issue and go right for the brains of the operation.

They should be in jail and we need a stronger estate tax.

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8 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

My god our country is a freaking mess. 

I can't stop thinking about this.

One of the people i counsel is someone whose life has forced him into a situation where toil & trouble has been almost his entire day these last few months, with no relief and little appreciation. An analogy i've been using to help him get perspective on his difficulties is Jean Valjean of Les Miserables (PBS's Masterpiece Theater has been serializing it the last couple months, w a remarkable performance by The Wire's Dominic West), who struggled impossibly for decades with naught but his concept of himself to drive him but, in the end, defeated judgement with virtue.

But I myself am near crisis because it is getting harder & harder to recommend life to others with all the venality around me. Having been brought up in the Kennedy Era with the belief that the American Miracle was a step on the path to humankind's inevitable perfectibility, it has not been easy realizing that it is much more likely to have been an anomaly, a blinding flash of glare interrupting an endless parade of human corruption, cruelty, vanity, delusion & jealous greed. Not only am i beginning to feel utterly surrounded by it, but i seldom see any realization from the horde that the ways of selfishness are something that does not recommend us and should even be adjusted.

So how was your day?

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2 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

But I myself am near crisis because it is getting harder & harder to recommend life to others with all the venality around me. Having been brought up in the Kennedy Era with the belief that the American Miracle was a step on the path to humankind's inevitable perfectibility, it has not been easy realizing that it is much more likely to have been an anomaly, a blinding flash of glare interrupting an endless parade of human corruption, cruelty, vanity, delusion & jealous greed. Not only am i beginning to feel utterly surrounded by it, but i seldom see any realization from the horde that the ways of selfishness are something that does not recommend us and should even be adjusted.

Progress, like pizza, does not come in a straight line.

I'm currently doing a re-read of Bruce Catton's Civil War books (the guy was a master). It's disturbingly striking how many parallels there are between the social/political environment then and what we have now. You had a lot of people committed to doing the wrong thing, for the wrong reasons while convincing themselves and any who would listen that they were right - they bought into their own delusions so much that reason based compromise became impossible. You had a lot of people who did the right thing for the wrong reasons as well, similarly talking themselves into positions via irrational emotion that they also would not compromise. You had a lot of people who did the right thing for the right reasons, sometimes  just as irrationally committed, but you had a critical mass of folks who somehow married reason with the will to push on.

In the end, one side (I like to think the "right" side) won because they had more resources to burn. I don't know that that outcome can apply today. But I do know it gives me a modicum of hope that things can still play out where doing the right thing will happen, and happen because reasonable people can figure out it's the right thing to do outside of emotional appeal to self interest. Try and find those people and let them reinforce the notion that we're not all hopeless. There's plenty of them who post on this board for starters.

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2 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

I can't stop thinking about this.

One of the people i counsel is someone whose life has forced him into a situation where toil & trouble has been almost his entire day these last few months, with no relief and little appreciation. An analogy i've been using to help him get perspective on his difficulties is Jean Valjean of Les Miserables (PBS's Masterpiece Theater has been serializing it the last couple months, w a remarkable performance by The Wire's Dominic West), who struggled impossibly for decades with naught but his concept of himself to drive him but, in the end, defeated judgement with virtue.

But I myself am near crisis because it is getting harder & harder to recommend life to others with all the venality around me. Having been brought up in the Kennedy Era with the belief that the American Miracle was a step on the path to humankind's inevitable perfectibility, it has not been easy realizing that it is much more likely to have been an anomaly, a blinding flash of glare interrupting an endless parade of human corruption, cruelty, vanity, delusion & jealous greed. Not only am i beginning to feel utterly surrounded by it, but i seldom see any realization from the horde that the ways of selfishness are something that does not recommend us and should even be adjusted.

So how was your day?

First, how was the PBS production? Worth checking out?

To the larger point, yes I grew up under Reagan who brought out (I think) a similar positive and exceptional spirit as Kennedy. Then in school I saw the rise of computers and the internet so the future seemed so bright- really the next step of Kennedy’s vision. Science and engineers, internet being the new “outer space”.

 Here we are at what is probably near the middle of my life and our country is guided by anger, rage, idiocy and incompetence. We elected not someone to bring hope or highlight exceptionalism but to articulate our rage publicly. That John Oliver story Sunday about how we can’t even handle death investigations properly is just another piece of lumber in the bonfire of our virtue. There’s no peace even in death. One might end up laying on a table in some back alley coroners office run by a bottom feeding scam artist because we are too dysfunctional to make sure there’s money provided to have doctors and medical facilities to handle autopsies. 

On the bright side, much of this is likely due to the increase in media coverage. John Oliver said doctors have been suggesting we improvise the coroner system for over 150 years. Crime rates are actually mostly lower than they were in the 60s and 70s. If we can somehow fix our economic system and pull the corporate hand from our rear hole, we might be able to get things back on track.

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7 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

Progress, like pizza, does not come in a straight line.

I'm currently doing a re-read of Bruce Catton's Civil War books (the guy was a master). It's disturbingly striking how many parallels there are between the social/political environment then and what we have now. You had a lot of people committed to doing the wrong thing, for the wrong reasons while convincing themselves and any who would listen that they were right - they bought into their own delusions so much that reason based compromise became impossible. You had a lot of people who did the right thing for the wrong reasons as well, similarly talking themselves into positions via irrational emotion that they also would not compromise. You had a lot of people who did the right thing for the right reasons, sometimes  just as irrationally committed, but you had a critical mass of folks who somehow married reason with the will to push on.

In the end, one side (I like to think the "right" side) won because they had more resources to burn. I don't know that that outcome can apply today. But I do know it gives me a modicum of hope that things can still play out where doing the right thing will happen, and happen because reasonable people can figure out it's the right thing to do outside of emotional appeal to self interest. Try and find those people and let them reinforce the notion that we're not all hopeless. There's plenty of them who post on this board for starters.

You've got a point, but how far is reason from the order of the day? I'd reckon it somewhere behind Marvel & porkbelly & ranking aps, nm where it places amid human motive

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14 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

Progress, like pizza, does not come in a straight line.

I'm currently doing a re-read of Bruce Catton's Civil War books (the guy was a master). It's disturbingly striking how many parallels there are between the social/political environment then and what we have now. You had a lot of people committed to doing the wrong thing, for the wrong reasons while convincing themselves and any who would listen that they were right - they bought into their own delusions so much that reason based compromise became impossible. You had a lot of people who did the right thing for the wrong reasons as well, similarly talking themselves into positions via irrational emotion that they also would not compromise. You had a lot of people who did the right thing for the right reasons, sometimes  just as irrationally committed, but you had a critical mass of folks who somehow married reason with the will to push on.

In the end, one side (I like to think the "right" side) won because they had more resources to burn. I don't know that that outcome can apply today. But I do know it gives me a modicum of hope that things can still play out where doing the right thing will happen, and happen because reasonable people can figure out it's the right thing to do outside of emotional appeal to self interest. Try and find those people and let them reinforce the notion that we're not all hopeless. There's plenty of them who post on this board for starters.

Then the right side sold out the cause a few years later for political power. You are right though that often through history we see periods of change followed by periods of backlash. 

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2 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

You've got a point, but how far is reason from the order of the day? I'd reckon it somewhere behind Marvel & porkbelly & ranking aps, nm where it places amid human motive

I agree with you to an extent - our society is beset with adults who are operating as adolescents (fully admitting I have my moments too). When I see grown men and women walking around in their Target bought Millennium Falcon T-Shirts unironically, it makes me a bit sad. But not all of us are stuck there. Someone cleverer than I will figure out how to distract those into doing the right thing, instead of the wrong thing - I hope. If we keep talking about it, and demanding some reason from each other at least, that will keep hope alive.

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55 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

First, how was the PBS production? Worth checking out?

To the larger point, yes I grew up under Reagan who brought out (I think) a similar positive and exceptional spirit as Kennedy. Then in school I saw the rise of computers and the internet so the future seemed so bright- really the next step of Kennedy’s vision. Science and engineers, internet being the new “outer space”.

 Here we are at what is probably near the middle of my life and our country is guided by anger, rage, idiocy and incompetence. We elected not someone to bring hope or highlight exceptionalism but to articulate our rage publicly. That John Oliver story Sunday about how we can’t even handle death investigations properly is just another piece of lumber in the bonfire of our virtue. There’s no peace even in death. One might end up laying on a table in some back alley coroners office run by a bottom feeding scam artist because we are too dysfunctional to make sure there’s money provided to have doctors and medical facilities to handle autopsies. 

On the bright side, much of this is likely due to the increase in media coverage. John Oliver said doctors have been suggesting we improvise the coroner system for over 150 years. Crime rates are actually mostly lower than they were in the 60s and 70s. If we can somehow fix our economic system and pull the corporate hand from our rear hole, we might be able to get things back on track.

Magnificent production, screenplay by the immense Andrew Davies (who's written 90% of the great novel adaptations ever) with an all-time performance by West and some great supporting roles (inc our reigning Best Actress Olivia Colman). Never seen a Les Mis adaptation that doesnt bog down at the blockade and this is no exception, but still the best TV i've seen this season (gave up on GoT after S2).

I applaud Oliver for hitting some 60 Minute-type areas instead of pounding the politix this season, but it abets the view that selfishness & corruption abides and that its path may be our inextricable course for the foreseeable future.

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He barely scratched the surface with shoddy medical examiners. Whole segment could be done on just one or two of them.

I would really like to see him hit the state of forensic science. Much of it is junk science yet it's still allowed in court. For instance matching a bullet to a box of bullets is meaningless. The bullet will match any other bullet made in that batch, 1000s, and will be close enough to likely match most bullets made in the same factory, millions, and yet people are serving long sentences based on this one piece of physical evidence. Forensic bite marks are proven to be extremely unreliable to the point they are useless and yet they are used to place people directly involved in a crime. Again often the only direct evidence and people are doing time because of junk science. The list goes on. 

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3 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

He barely scratched the surface with shoddy medical examiners. Whole segment could be done on just one or two of them.

I would really like to see him hit the state of forensic science. Much of it is junk science yet it's still allowed in court. For instance matching a bullet to a box of bullets is meaningless. The bullet will match any other bullet made in that batch, 1000s, and will be close enough to likely match most bullets made in the same factory, millions, and yet people are serving long sentences based on this one piece of physical evidence. Forensic bite marks are proven to be extremely unreliable to the point they are useless and yet they are used to place people directly involved in a crime. Again often the only direct evidence and people are doing time because of junk science. The list goes on. 

Sadly it’s the just about the best news program in the country and it only gets 30 minutes a week. 

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11 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

He barely scratched the surface with shoddy medical examiners. Whole segment could be done on just one or two of them.

I would really like to see him hit the state of forensic science. Much of it is junk science yet it's still allowed in court. For instance matching a bullet to a box of bullets is meaningless. The bullet will match any other bullet made in that batch, 1000s, and will be close enough to likely match most bullets made in the same factory, millions, and yet people are serving long sentences based on this one piece of physical evidence. Forensic bite marks are proven to be extremely unreliable to the point they are useless and yet they are used to place people directly involved in a crime. Again often the only direct evidence and people are doing time because of junk science. The list goes on. 

Oliver did an episode on forensic science in 2017

Obviously it just scratches the surface but that's to be expected of a segment that's just 19 minutes long.

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