US Men's National Team

[El Floppo 21,871]

1 hour ago, zoobird said:

Currently at 6% yes, 90% no with 5,000+ votes in.

4% hell yes

[encaitar 1,369]

Really wish there was a "#### NO!" option.

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

Of the top 40ish ranked countries in the world, how many teams have their manager make it through the next day still employed after this string of results?

I think less than 10, maybe even less than 5.

I bet 15 or more countries fire the manager last night and not even wait until the day after.

Edited October 16 by NewlyRetired

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

Does anyone else hate the term "flu like symptoms" ?

In his interview after the game Pulisic basically said he was fighting a minor cold the last two days and was feeling fine during the game.

I sometimes wish anyone who uses the term flu in any way should actually experience it for just a day and they would never again use that term for a cold.

[encaitar 1,369]

19 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

Does anyone else hate the term "flu like symptoms" ?

In his interview after the game Pulisic basically said he was fighting a minor cold the last two days and was feeling fine during the game.

I sometimes wish anyone who uses the term flu in any way should actually experience it for just a day and they would never again use that term for a cold.

It was Berhalter covering his ### is all.  Pulisic said he was fine and didn't want to come out.  Pulisic clearly wasn't happy about being taken out and Gregg realized he was gonna get flak for it.  Flu-like symptoms is an easy cop out.

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

Nodding my head furiously at this.  I know it was a "lower" technical brand of soccer but I miss the US teams that played hard and tight defense and then said "catch Landon if you can" a few times a game

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@_jameshill

The ball-playing DMs are a classic "too clever by half" move. Ball-playing ability is great, but you need the DM to provide the D. We've also made tiny increases in our ability to build through possession in exchange for a 75% decrease in our danger on the counterattack.

[El Floppo 21,871]

30 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

Does anyone else hate the term "flu like symptoms" ?

In his interview after the game Pulisic basically said he was fighting a minor cold the last two days and was feeling fine during the game.

I sometimes wish anyone who uses the term flu in any way should actually experience it for just a day and they would never again use that term for a cold.

Imo, "flu-like symptoms" means: fever, stomach/gi issues, weakness/aches. Any one or combo of those is enough to debilitate. If CP said a cold, that's none of that.

7 minutes ago, encaitar said:

It was Berhalter covering his ### is all.  Pulisic said he was fine and didn't want to come out.  Pulisic clearly wasn't happy about being taken out and Gregg realized he was gonna get flak for it.  Flu-like symptoms is an easy cop out.

I got the sense he was trying to give CP an out, but mainly himself for benching CP.

[McBokonon 411]

1 hour ago, NewlyRetired said:

 

I sometimes wish anyone who uses the term flu in any way should actually experience it for just a day and they would never again use that term for a cold.

I feel this way about food poisoning. People throw this around like crazy. "I missed work yesterday because I think I might have had food poisoning."

No, if you actually had food poisoning, you'd know it, not think it, and you would have spent at least the entire day hoping for the sweet release of death.

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

Is it ever going to end?

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@tutulismyname

With the loss against Canada, the USMNT Elo ranking dropped below 1700, ranking us #43 in the world. The last time our ranking was below 1700, was in Jan 1999. This is literally the worst our team has been this century

[El Floppo 21,871]

We demand a higher electric light orchestra number, dammit.

[CletiusMaximus 6,864]

2 hours ago, El Floppo said:

I got the sense he was trying to give CP an out, but mainly himself for benching CP.

I suppose this is so, but we all saw what happened on the telly with our own eyeballs.

 

 

[Charlie Steiner 1,439]

34 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

We demand a higher electric light orchestra number, dammit.

Gonna take some strange magic for that to happen.

[Eephus 16,286]

12 hours ago, El Floppo said:

I'd take Rudy at this point.

Giuliani?

[Eephus 16,286]

22 hours ago, Steve Tasker said:

 

 

Germany Jones references are a dying breed

[TripItUp 2,689]

Is there any serious talk of getting rid of Berhalter?

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

8 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

Is there any serious talk of getting rid of Berhalter?

you mean from US Soccer?  I don't think we will hear anything one way or another until it happens.

The fans and and media are unusually united that something has to change soon to give a new coach any hope of getting things sorted before the hex.

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

Looks like JK is finally getting back in the game.  Super interesting spot as well

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@JuanG_Arango

Being confirmed to me by multiples sources...

@J_klinsmann is going to be announced as new coach of @FEFecuador

Yes, it was reported before that talks fell through, but they were back on track and he would be “announced in the next couple of days”.

Edited October 17 by NewlyRetired

[Eephus 16,286]

1 hour ago, NewlyRetired said:

Looks like JK is finally getting back in the game.  Super interesting spot as well

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@JuanG_Arango

Being confirmed to me by multiples sources...

@J_klinsmann is going to be announced as new coach of @FEFecuador

Yes, it was reported before that talks fell through, but they were back on track and he would be “announced in the next couple of days”.

His team beat Ecuador in Copa America 100.

[Sammy3469 9,331]

10 hours ago, TripItUp said:

Is there any serious talk of getting rid of Berhalter?

They wouldn’t do it until after the MLS playoffs and even that list is fairly short.  You have a US list of Ramos, Bradley, Vanney, and I guess Vermes.  Then there are internationals like Torrent, Almeyda, and maybe Heath.  Point being is it’s a fairly short list.  

[Ned 9,814]

20 minutes ago, Sammy3469 said:

They wouldn’t do it until after the MLS playoffs and even that list is fairly short.  You have a US list of Ramos, Bradley, Vanney, and I guess Vermes.  Then there are internationals like Torrent, Almeyda, and maybe Heath.  Point being is it’s a fairly short list.  

Poch might be available soon.

[El Floppo 21,871]

51 minutes ago, Ned said:

Poch might be available soon.

Nice. And he's used to making a go of things without any talent.

 

I kid, good spurs friends...I kid. 

[El Floppo 21,871]

Btw...I'm at a point where I'm finding myself dreading opening this thread. What new level of decline and mishap am I going to find?...

[blend 308]

1 hour ago, Sammy3469 said:

They wouldn’t do it until after the MLS playoffs and even that list is fairly short.  You have a US list of Ramos, Bradley, Vanney, and I guess Vermes.  Then there are internationals like Torrent, Almeyda, and maybe Heath.  Point being is it’s a fairly short list.  

I thought Berhalter was going to work out well.  Maybe it was just wishful thinking, but he's had what 15-18 games at the helm and they are awful. 

I have a good friend who came up the scouting ranks at KC.  He loves Vermes and his attention to detail (any detail).   My friend has always thought he'd be an ideal US coach b/c of his control issues/attention to detail; but that he'd never be hired b/c US Soccer wouldn't want to do the things that Vermes would demand they do to "do it right".    During this last hiring cycle, I thought I read someplace that Vermes put together quite a detailed proposal for how he'd run US Soccer if given the job.   I have no idea if he'd be good for the job. 

I've wanted Ramos. I love the way his teams play.  I know folks complained/questioned him about some of his selections and at times his tactics/decisions.  But, I don't think anyone knows our upcoming players better and besides what coach isn't questioned on some items.  I think, Tab, for the most part, relates to the players well and they respect him.  I think he'd be the perfect fit.  

[Ned 9,814]

51 minutes ago, blend said:

I thought Berhalter was going to work out well.  Maybe it was just wishful thinking, but he's had what 15-18 games at the helm and they are awful. 

I have a good friend who came up the scouting ranks at KC.  He loves Vermes and his attention to detail (any detail).   My friend has always thought he'd be an ideal US coach b/c of his control issues/attention to detail; but that he'd never be hired b/c US Soccer wouldn't want to do the things that Vermes would demand they do to "do it right".    During this last hiring cycle, I thought I read someplace that Vermes put together quite a detailed proposal for how he'd run US Soccer if given the job.   I have no idea if he'd be good for the job. 

I've wanted Ramos. I love the way his teams play.  I know folks complained/questioned him about some of his selections and at times his tactics/decisions.  But, I don't think anyone knows our upcoming players better and besides what coach isn't questioned on some items.  I think, Tab, for the most part, relates to the players well and they respect him.  I think he'd be the perfect fit.  

This is a big part why they look so bad right now, no?  GGG is so detail oriented that guys look robotic and overthinking instead of free flowing/creative.  

[blend 308]

I think in reference to the 'attention to detail' meant more about the entire program details moreso than the play on the field.   I doubt with a guy like Vermes we'd ever have to wonder if someone is calling the dual-nats.  I think it was probably in his plan about who would be doing that and how often and probably dictate what would be said to them on the 1st contact and what is said to them on the 9th....

I'm not sure how Vermes would differ with his on-field stuff.   

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

2 hours ago, blend said:

I thought Berhalter was going to work out well.  Maybe it was just wishful thinking, but he's had what 15-18 games at the helm and they are awful. 

I have a good friend who came up the scouting ranks at KC.  He loves Vermes and his attention to detail (any detail).   My friend has always thought he'd be an ideal US coach b/c of his control issues/attention to detail; but that he'd never be hired b/c US Soccer wouldn't want to do the things that Vermes would demand they do to "do it right".    During this last hiring cycle, I thought I read someplace that Vermes put together quite a detailed proposal for how he'd run US Soccer if given the job.   I have no idea if he'd be good for the job. 

I've wanted Ramos. I love the way his teams play.  I know folks complained/questioned him about some of his selections and at times his tactics/decisions.  But, I don't think anyone knows our upcoming players better and besides what coach isn't questioned on some items.  I think, Tab, for the most part, relates to the players well and they respect him.  I think he'd be the perfect fit.  

Vermes was very critical of US Soccer after talking to them.  You don't need to read between the lines much to believe he thinks the organization is directionless.

 

Here is a snippet from an interview he did:

SOCCER AMERICA: You recently discussed with U.S. Soccer its openings for a general manager and head coach, and decided instead to extend your contract with SKC until 2023. During those discussions with USSF what did you learn or glean regarding what it intends to do in the future?
PETER VERMES: I wish I could. I don’t know. I don’t have any idea of what those steps are.
 
SA: So how can a search be conducted if the federation doesn’t seem to know what it is looking for or what it wants to do?
VERMES: Honestly, it’s hard for me to answer that question. I’m really serious. They want a coach and a GM but I don’t know what their plans are beyond that. I really don’t know.
 
SA: What do you think should be done?
VERMES: I truly want us to take advantage. We can talk about what happened but to me it’s irrelevant at this point. I want to see what the plan is going forward. If our only objective is to qualify for the World Cup, I don’t even know why we’re in this. We should be doing so much more. We need to create a complete system from the grassroots up, and I think the responsibility for the leadership should be U.S. Soccer.

We have to be much more specific about who we are and what our model of play is, what our culture is when you go to the national team. I look at it as a gift. There are moments in life when you’re given a chance to hit the reset button and this is one of those moments.
 
SA: How does that process start?
VERMES: I don’t know the answer because I’m not there. What I want to hear and you want to hear and we all want to hear is, what is the plan? What are we doing? I would agree that you don’t have to blow the whole thing up and start all over again. But you do have to realize there have been some major failures and you have to evaluate it and come up with a plan. And to come up with a plan you have to have a goal. I want to know what the goal is.

The goal has to be something more than to qualify for the World Cup. There’s different goals. I’m a big believer in that to build a team you need a model of play. In all sports, all teams want to win. Why do some teams win? They have a way to play and they use certain players and build their team in a certain way. There’s a reason they are consistently competitive.

If you don’t have a way to play, I’m gonna tell you the only way you’ll get results is because you were lucky that day everybody was on form. But when you know how to play, results are a byproduct of knowing what you’re doing, what your model of play is. We need to get to place where we have a plan on the field, a plan off the field, a plan for recruiting players, a plan for identifying players.

I just want to hear what the goals are and what’s the plan to reach those goals.

[El Floppo 21,871]

Well, you can't argue that gggg doesn't have a way to play. 

[Sammy3469 9,331]

9 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

Well, you can't argue that gggg doesn't have a way to play. 

Key word there is “a”

[El Floppo 21,871]

Just now, Sammy3469 said:

Key word there is “a”

Yes. That was a very intentional bit o' word choice

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

Sometimes it is just best to laugh at the situation   I posted this last year but it is making the rounds again today.  Listen when watching but with headphones on if in work.  I some how feel better after realizing how true this was right down to Pulisic crying...

https://twitter.com/FutureUsmnt/status/1184885201215901696?s=20

Edited October 17 by NewlyRetired

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

5 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

Sometimes it is just best to laugh at the situation   I posted this last year but it is making the rounds again today.  Listen when watching but with headphones on if in work.  I some how feel better after realizing how true this was right down to Pulisic crying...

https://twitter.com/FutureUsmnt/status/1184885201215901696?s=20

"toilet brush"

[Moe. 1,777]

Good post re: Vermes. From what I understand he is pretty much in charge of every aspect of everything at SKC, and you can tell how unimpressed he was after he met with USSoccer. I doubt he'd take a call from them unless the plan is to let him do whatever he wants. 

Edited October 17 by Moe.

[Charlie Steiner 1,439]

14 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

Sometimes it is just best to laugh at the situation   I posted this last year but it is making the rounds again today.  Listen when watching but with headphones on if in work.  I some how feel better after realizing how true this was right down to Pulisic crying...

https://twitter.com/FutureUsmnt/status/1184885201215901696?s=20

As a Miazga fan,

As a McKennie fan,

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

6 hours ago, Sammy3469 said:

They wouldn’t do it until after the MLS playoffs and even that list is fairly short.  You have a US list of Ramos, Bradley, Vanney, and I guess Vermes.  Then there are internationals like Torrent, Almeyda, and maybe Heath.  Point being is it’s a fairly short list.  

It is a super short list for sure.  It would take some imagination to look outside the box though and US Soccer has far too little of that.

Marsch is a big name who is on record saying that he wants the job, but I honestly see him leaving Red Bull as less likely than Bradley leaving LA.

Some other very long shots might be Wagner and Cherundolo.   There are likely to be a cadre of coaches fired this winter, but so many if not all of those would have a long learning curve to get ready for the hex.

[encaitar 1,369]

35 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

It is a super short list for sure.  It would take some imagination to look outside the box though and US Soccer has far too little of that.

Marsch is a big name who is on record saying that he wants the job, but I honestly see him leaving Red Bull as less likely than Bradley leaving LA.

Some other very long shots might be Wagner and Cherundolo.   There are likely to be a cadre of coaches fired this winter, but so many if not all of those would have a long learning curve to get ready for the hex.

It doesn't matter anyway.  Gregg will be our head coach until at least next November, even if he loses every game from now until then.  It would take a 4 or 5 goal loss to Cuba next month for there to be any possibility of it happening then.  There is no way Jay is firing his brother unless there are a million fans with pitchforks outside his office window demanding it.  

The issue isn't really GGG being a terrible coach(although he is).   The issue is much much deeper than that within USSoccer and I can't see it being fixed anytime soon.  

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

Oh dear god, just when I think we have hit bottom

From the Lalas AMA today on reddit

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[–]giraffeman3705

Would you ever consider joining the USSF to try to help stabilize things in ways you've mentioned in the past?

[–]VerifiedAlexiLalas

Yes. Stay tuned

 

[ChiefD 13,178]

3 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

Oh dear god, just when I think we have hit bottom

From the Lalas AMA today on reddit

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[–]giraffeman3705

Would you ever consider joining the USSF to try to help stabilize things in ways you've mentioned in the past?

[–]VerifiedAlexiLalas

Yes. Stay tuned

 

I quit.

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

Ives is reporting that Julian Green, Bacon and Rubin are all being removed from the MLS allocation list which means their freedom of movement into MLS increases significantly should any team want them.

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

Miles Robinson recent injury is keeping him out of Atlanta's first playoff game against the Revs.

[encaitar 1,369]

1 hour ago, NewlyRetired said:

Ives is reporting that Julian Green, Bacon and Rubin are all being removed from the MLS allocation list which means their freedom of movement into MLS increases significantly should any team want them.

I think Green and Bacon in particular could both thrive in MLS.  Could be a pathway back to the USMNT for either of them.

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

34 minutes ago, encaitar said:

I think Green and Bacon in particular could both thrive in MLS.  Could be a pathway back to the USMNT for either of them.

If Bacon was ever healthy, he is an auto upgrade over Zardes at least.

I think Green would be an upgrade over Roldan as well but I could name ten players who would also be upgrades over Roldan so that may not be saying much.

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

3 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

Miles Robinson recent injury is keeping him out of Atlanta's first playoff game against the Revs.

more crap for the heap.

De Boer and the Atlanta fan base are up in arms now that it came out that Miles got hurt while running conditioning after the game on the request of Berhalter.  Miles is considered one of the most in shape players in the league and De Boer specifically asked Berhalter ahead of time to limit this stuff.

[El Floppo 21,871]

6 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

more crap for the heap.

De Boer and the Atlanta fan base are up in arms now that it came out that Miles got hurt while running conditioning after the game on the request of Berhalter.  Miles is considered one of the most in shape players in the league and De Boer specifically asked Berhalter ahead of time to limit this stuff.

If true, that's shambolic

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

6 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

If true, that's shambolic

Here is what De Boer said

https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1184866683946786816?s=20

[Poke_4_Life 1,415]

11 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

Here is what De Boer said

https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1184866683946786816?s=20

Not really a surprise, but the twitter pitchforks are out in full force in reply to FDB's comments.  To be clear the pitchforks are lighting up USSF and GGG.  

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

30 minutes ago, Poke_4_Life said:

Not really a surprise, but the twitter pitchforks are out in full force in reply to FDB's comments.  To be clear the pitchforks are lighting up USSF and GGG.  

I think they have a point to be honest.

If this was a January camp, making MLS players run conditioning makes sense since they are out of season.  But having an already in shape player do it when he has a playoff game days away and has been playing 90 minutes every game all year is really dumb imo.

[El Floppo 21,871]

45 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

I think they have a point to be honest.

If this was a January camp, making MLS players run conditioning makes sense since they are out of season.  But having an already in shape player do it when he has a playoff game days away and has been playing 90 minutes every game all year is really dumb imo.

Really really dumb.

That's why I said "if true" earlier...doesn't make any sense at all for a national team coach in a short camp for competitive games at the end of the league season to be doing this. Gggg may not be a great answer for coach, but he doesn't strike me as this oblivious...feel like there's more to the story than ggg making the kid run after the game.

[NewlyRetired 13,591]

3 hours ago, El Floppo said:

.feel like there's more to the story than ggg making the kid run after the game.

It was not just Robinson.  All players who did not play in the game did conditioning after from what I read.

[Moe. 1,777]

Is that normal when it's the middle of the club season? 

nvm, saw the post above. I was trying to figure out how much outrage to feign

Edited October 18 by Moe.

[El Floppo 21,871]

Just now, NewlyRetired said:

It was not just Robinson.  All players who did not play in the game did conditioning after from what I read.

Sure... But there's stretching the legs out to keep them fresh, and there's "conditioning". As we've all been saying, no point to the latter in this situation. But makes sense to have the no playing players shake out the legs a bit. I'm sure it's something FdB does with his team too.