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3 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

I wonder if we can get more than 50 different posters in here speculating that Gurley is injured.  

 

Pure talent, rank your top 5 RBs.

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4 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

How many posters do you think we can get saying Gurley is a system back?

:crazy: 

Did he stink under Fisher?

Did Gurley's backups have really good success in McVay's system?

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7 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

I doubt anyone who watches football will have 5 guys over Gurley in terms of pure talent.

What do you think happened to him in 2016?  Don't you think pure talent that incredible should be able to offset a terrible line and terrible coaching?  He wasn't average that year.  He was literally one of the worst RBs ever for that type of volume.

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9 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

How many posters do you think we can get saying Gurley is a system back?

:crazy: 

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1 minute ago, tjnc09 said:

What do you think happened to him in 2016?  Don't you think pure talent that incredible should be able to offset a terrible line and terrible coaching?  He wasn't average that year.  He was literally one of the worst RBs ever for that type of volume.

Please answer my question at the top of this page, TIA.

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39 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

World of reality - where the Rams, McVay, Gurley all SPECIFICALLY deny he is hurt.

If that's reality, what world is your unsubstantiated speculation from?

No clue why you would believe them.  They had a vested interest in lying before the game.  Now that they lied on the injury report, they have to keep lying so that they don't get punished for lying initially.

This isn't a complex concept.

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19 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

No clue why you would believe them.  They had a vested interest in lying before the game.  Now that they lied on the injury report, they have to keep lying so that they don't get punished for lying initially.

This isn't a complex concept.

He has had plenty of terrible games while healthy.  Seems like a convenient excuse to me.  

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11 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

He has had plenty of terrible games while healthy.  Seems like a convenient excuse to me.  

He's had terrible games.  So has Brady.  Both of those statements are irrelevant to what has happened the past few weeks.

But hey, you already know this.   This whole thing is just shtick that, for whatever reason, is a form of trolling that the site allows.

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6 hours ago, tjnc09 said:

I guess this is the great stuff Joe wants in the Shark Pool.

One last time. Dial the whining WAY back. If you don't think you're whining / agitating / trolling, find a new board. 

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43 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

He has had plenty of terrible games while healthy.  Seems like a convenient excuse to me.  

I know you think he's trash but his overall statistics the past 2 years would disagree.     :shrug: 

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Todd’s interviews the past month have been all about the team and how he only wants team success. This is all well and good, but it definitely sounds like a guy who got paid and all else equal, wouldn’t be opposed to somebody else cutting into his carries. If he gets the rock, great! If not, great!

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7 hours ago, Edgar said:

Todd’s interviews the past month have been all about the team and how he only wants team success. This is all well and good, but it definitely sounds like a guy who got paid and all else equal, wouldn’t be opposed to somebody else cutting into his carries. If he gets the rock, great! If not, great!

Yeah, I read that the same way.

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3 hours ago, lod001 said:
11 hours ago, Edgar said:

Todd’s interviews the past month have been all about the team and how he only wants team success. This is all well and good, but it definitely sounds like a guy who got paid and all else equal, wouldn’t be opposed to somebody else cutting into his carries. If he gets the rock, great! If not, great!

Yeah, I read that the same way.

It’s a lose lose situation.  If he speaks out he’s a selfish diva bad teammate.  If he doesn’t then he doesn’t care because he got paid.  

I think he’s handled himself with class though this (whatever “this” is).

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1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

It’s a lose lose situation.  If he speaks out he’s a selfish diva bad teammate.  If he doesn’t then he doesn’t care because he got paid.  

I think he’s handled himself with class though this (whatever “this” is).

Pretty much. No idea what his normal interviews are like because I don't have him on dynasty so this could just be his normal attitude. He's never been a guy that complains. Lets his running do the talking. Still believe there is an injury since it's the only logical reason for the lack of use over the past month plus.

I should have said, 'that's the way it came off but not the way I think he is'.

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That whole Rams O hasn't looked the same since Kupp got injured....they just look out of sync right now.....credit the Pats D, they smelled blood in the water and went in for the kill.

 

That said, Gurley and the rest of the Rams O will be back....there is a lot talent there, but sometimes things just kind of snowball in a bad way......You could see it in the whole Rams offense's body language.....they were beat, and they couldn't respond.

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17 minutes ago, Manster said:

That whole Rams O hasn't looked the same since Kupp got injured....they just look out of sync right now.....credit the Pats D, they smelled blood in the water and went in for the kill.

 

That said, Gurley and the rest of the Rams O will be back....there is a lot talent there, but sometimes things just kind of snowball in a bad way......You could see it in the whole Rams offense's body language.....they were beat, and they couldn't respond.

People have really been overlooking some of the struggles of the Rams' offense.  Look at Goff's last 8 games...

57% completion, 6.5ypa, 1853 yds, 7 TD, 8 INT

Is it possible that the league is starting to figure out McVay's scheme a little bit?

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1 minute ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Is it possible that the league is starting to figure out McVay's scheme a little bit?

Possible and I think Bellichick/Flores for sure had it figured out but consider two other angles:

1. Loss of Cooper Kupp

2. I've not looked at stats to back this up but I would swear you could draw a line in the sand this year when defenses turned the table. The Saints vs Dallas game. I'm hoping someone will do a film review on what defenses might have started doing differently from that point going forward all the way through the SB. It felt to me like we went from Big 12 football to 1980's looking NFL football across much of the league after that game.

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Gurley certainly didn't look like a guy dying to get out there in the NFCC or SB.  I question where his head is at.

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Where was the flare pass, the dump off?  Where was the pitch out,. where were the plays trying to get a speed RB out in space?  Let Anderson bang the line,  you put your race horse where he can run.

According to Eric Dickerson who tallked to Gurley the night before the game he was 100% ready to go, so...???

 

 

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4 hours ago, ZenoRazon said:

Where was the flare pass, the dump off?  Where was the pitch out,. where were the plays trying to get a speed RB out in space?  Let Anderson bang the line,  you put your race horse where he can run.

According to Eric Dickerson who tallked to Gurley the night before the game he was 100% ready to go, so...???

 

 

injury is the only reason that makes any sense for the lack of usage and all parties swear injury is not the issue.... you give the guy who scored 20 td's 20+ touches in the superbowl if he's 100% i dont care how well CJA played leading up to it.

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2 minutes ago, iamkoza said:

injury is the only reason that makes any sense for the lack of usage and all parties swear injury is not the issue.... you give the guy who scored 20 td's 20+ touches in the superbowl if he's 100% i dont care how well CJA played leading up to it.

I'm with you so what happened?

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17 minutes ago, ZenoRazon said:

I'm with you so what happened?

It's easy IMO.  If he says he's not 100% then the Rams face penalties for not saying so the previous 3 weeks.

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

It's easy IMO.  If he says he's not 100% then the Rams face penalties for not saying so the previous 3 weeks.

Why would they try to hide anything?

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1 hour ago, ZenoRazon said:

Why would they try to hide anything?

My feeling is 2 reasons.

-Todd not wanting to make excuses.  He never has before even when injured. See the first week of the year when it's reported he hurt himself....

-McVay wanting to be Belichick like and not give any competitive advantages.   Same reason pre Super Bowl he said Todd would get a heavy workload but then after said the plan all along was to split the workload with CJA.

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17 hours ago, Faust said:

So I just read this article, this quote is amazing:

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We had gone in knowing that we wanted to be able to almost have kind of a shared load between he and C.J. (Anderson)

Why didn't any reporter ask the most elementary question here... Why is that Sean, why would you want to reduce Gurley for CJA? 

So Sean, do you feel Gurley and Anderson are equivalent when it comes to talent? Feels like your GM just wasted $60mm if you do. 

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Opinion from a LICENSED MEDICAL DOCTOR.  I would love to know how many of the posters speculating about an alleged injury are also licensed medical doctors.

Rams' Todd Gurley seemed underutilized, not unhealthy

However, I think Gurley was healthy and that the Rams were not being deceitful by removing him from the injury report.

In-game stats had him as the fastest player on the field at 19.8 miles per hour. Yes, this is straight-line speed, and one could theorize that his cutting ability was hampered. But in my experience, you simply can’t be that fast and be injured.

After resting in weeks 16 and 17 and in the bye week to start the playoffs, Gurley had 16 carries for 115 yards (7.2-yard average) and a touchdown in the Rams’ playoff victory over the Cowboys. That is not the production of an injured player.

[@NextGenStats  Todd Gurley didn't seem bothered by his knee injury today. @TG3II averaged 12.08 MPH at the line of scrimmage on his rushes, his fastest in a game this season. He had 6 carries reaching 15+ MPH, a season high.]

The Rams have been relatively forthcoming regarding injuries under head coach Sean McVay. “Coachspeak” is commonplace, but McVay in his two seasons has been among the league leaders in telling it like it is. He has said Gurley was healthy.

But with the available information and evidence, it seems he was more limited by scheme and circumstances than by injury.

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2 hours ago, fantasycurse42 said:

So I just read this article, this quote is amazing:

Why didn't any reporter ask the most elementary question here... Why is that Sean, why would you want to reduce Gurley for CJA? 

So Sean, do you feel Gurley and Anderson are equivalent when it comes to talent? Feels like your GM just wasted $60mm if you do. 

One of the brightest offensive minds in football and actual head coach of the two RBs being discussed agrees with me.  👍

They did waste $60mm on Gurley.  No RB in the history of the NFL will ever be worth that type of money.  

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3 hours ago, dkp993 said:

My feeling is 2 reasons.

-Todd not wanting to make excuses.  He never has before even when injured. See the first week of the year when it's reported he hurt himself....

-McVay wanting to be Belichick like and not give any competitive advantages.   Same reason pre Super Bowl he said Todd would get a heavy workload but then after said the plan all along was to split the workload with CJA.

That's the way I see it. They wanted the Pats to spend time game planning for Gurley but Belichick is way too smart for that. It was a high school coaching move vs the greatest ever. It had no chance to succeed.

Now they can't come out and say he was hurt for reasons already stated. Sso they really come off looking like chumps to a lot of people that don't believe he was hurt and thing mcVay just lost his mind because Gurley didn't get 25 touches. McVay should have spent time figuring out some tricky plays that they had never run instead. Pederson did that for the win.

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31 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

One of the brightest offensive minds in football and actual head coach of the two RBs being discussed agrees with me.  👍

They did waste $60mm on Gurley.  No RB in the history of the NFL will ever be worth that type of money.  

I'll agree that $60 mil is way too much to give a RB but then giving a bum like Matt Stafford 135 million with 92 mill guaranteed is a waste at QB. it happens. No QB is worth that because it means you can't build a competitive team.

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2 hours ago, tjnc09 said:

Opinion from a LICENSED MEDICAL DOCTOR.  I would love to know how many of the posters speculating about an alleged injury are also licensed medical doctors.

Rams' Todd Gurley seemed underutilized, not unhealthy

However, I think Gurley was healthy and that the Rams were not being deceitful by removing him from the injury report.

In-game stats had him as the fastest player on the field at 19.8 miles per hour. Yes, this is straight-line speed, and one could theorize that his cutting ability was hampered. But in my experience, you simply can’t be that fast and be injured.

After resting in weeks 16 and 17 and in the bye week to start the playoffs, Gurley had 16 carries for 115 yards (7.2-yard average) and a touchdown in the Rams’ playoff victory over the Cowboys. That is not the production of an injured player.

[@NextGenStats  Todd Gurley didn't seem bothered by his knee injury today. @TG3II averaged 12.08 MPH at the line of scrimmage on his rushes, his fastest in a game this season. He had 6 carries reaching 15+ MPH, a season high.]

The Rams have been relatively forthcoming regarding injuries under head coach Sean McVay. “Coachspeak” is commonplace, but McVay in his two seasons has been among the league leaders in telling it like it is. He has said Gurley was healthy.

But with the available information and evidence, it seems he was more limited by scheme and circumstances than by injury.

We’re debating whether Gurley’s playing time was limited by health factors or other factors right?

Gurley’s speed metrics rule out many injuries but are we sure they rule out inflammation or tendinitis? In my experience those are injuries that athletes experience differently day to day and even play to play. When they flare up they’re much worse so there’s incentive to manage the athlete and limit workload. It’s possible that Gurley was feeling good and that his carries were limited, at least in the first half, to keep him feeling that way. I saw Gurley visibly limping in the SB but if Gurley has knee inflammation he does not have to be impaired or slowed down for his role to change, the reduction in snaps can be precautionary.

This knee inflammation theory doesn’t exactly come out of thin air. Gurley missed week 16 and 17 because of knee inflammation. For the remainder of the playoffs Gurley never again got a full workload. This doesn’t prove that the injury lingered but it pushes the probability needle further in that direction.

The opposing arguments to Gurley having knee issues seem to center around player values and scheme. To me any argument that supposes Anderson and a healthy Gurley have similar tactical value is very shaky. And what is the magic scheme that suddenly renders CJ Anderson an equally effective or more effective football player than Gurley? As far as I could tell the Pats were putting 6 defenders on the line and daring the Rams to throw and Gurley is the better of the two RBs in the passing game. I don’t think any of those arguments make sense.

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1 hour ago, tjnc09 said:

One of the brightest offensive minds in football and actual head coach of the two RBs being discussed agrees with me.  👍

They did waste $60mm on Gurley.  No RB in the history of the NFL will ever be worth that type of money.  

Why won’t you answer my question? 

Top 5 RBs in the NFL by talent, just list 5 names please.

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43 minutes ago, lod001 said:

I'll agree that $60 mil is way too much to give a RB but then giving a bum like Matt Stafford 135 million with 92 mill guaranteed is a waste at QB. it happens. No QB is worth that because it means you can't build a competitive team.

I can't speak about Stafford's contract, but Derek Carr was similar.  They were 12-4 in the year they made the playoffs.  They went an unsustainable 9-2 in one score games and played the easiest schedule in the NFL.  They weren't convincingly beating bad teams that year and were one of the luckiest teams I can remember.  Worked out for Carr, but it's obvious since then that contract was a huge mistake.  That's why I also don't buy the "well the GM paid them $X so they must be amazing" because there are so many exceptions to the rule.

People I pay:  

Coaches - no cap hit.  I would offer Belichick $30m annually tbh

QBs - while there are big mistakes like Stafford and Carr, the rules today are meant for a passing league.  Have no chance to compete in SB with 90% of QBs.  

offensive line - would be one of my top priorities.  

defense - both DL and secondary

don't pay:

RBs - success is too dependent on OL.  Patriots cap hit for White, Burkhead AND Michael is less than one year for Gurley.  

WRs - success is too dependent on QB.  maybe an athletic freak but only if $ is left over.  

 

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6 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

Why won’t you answer my question? 

Top 5 RBs in the NFL by talent, just list 5 names please.

I got in trouble and took some time off.

Barkley and Elliot are the only ones I know that are valuable enough to move Vegas lines with substantial limits.  I don't put any value in things I can't quantify, so it's really those two and then everyone else.

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12 minutes ago, electric Ape said:

We’re debating whether Gurley’s playing time was limited by health factors or other factors right?

Gurley’s speed metrics rule out many injuries but are we sure they rule out inflammation or tendinitis? In my experience those are injuries that athletes experience differently day to day and even play to play. When they flare up they’re much worse so there’s incentive to manage the athlete and limit workload. It’s possible that Gurley was feeling good and that his carries were limited, at least in the first half, to keep him feeling that way. I saw Gurley visibly limping in the SB but if Gurley has knee inflammation he does not have to be impaired or slowed down for his role to change, the reduction in snaps can be precautionary.

This knee inflammation theory doesn’t exactly come out of thin air. Gurley missed week 16 and 17 because of knee inflammation. For the remainder of the playoffs Gurley never again got a full workload. This doesn’t prove that the injury lingered but it pushes the probability needle further in that direction.

The opposing arguments to Gurley having knee issues seem to center around player values and scheme. To me any argument that supposes Anderson and a healthy Gurley have similar tactical value is very shaky. And what is the magic scheme that suddenly renders CJ Anderson an equally effective or more effective football player than Gurley? As far as I could tell the Pats were putting 6 defenders on the line and daring the Rams to throw and Gurley is the better of the two RBs in the passing game. I don’t think any of those arguments make sense.

The same article suggested that:

My thought is his knee inflammation was related to tendonitis, which should not have had a debilitating effect on him in Sunday’s 13-3 loss to the Patriots.

I'm forming my opinion based on a medical professional.  That does not sound like a valid reason for him to struggle.  If you have a differing opinion from a doctor, by all means, post it and I have no problem admitting I am wrong.  I personally don't understand the continued speculation he was injured simply because there is no admittance or proof he actually was against NO and NE.

Anderson had tremendous success against AZ, against SF, and again against Dallas.  I understand the preconceived notions the people here have of him, but he never once gave McVay a reason to hesitate to use him in a timeshare against NO or NE based on his experience as a LA Rams player.  The majority of teams use a RB timeshare now.  If Anderson comes in, averages 7ypc+, why wouldn't a coach try to utilize both of those talents?  If Anderson averaged 2.0ypc against AZ, SF, and DAL, then yes, it's outrageous to think he deserved playing time over Gurley in the SB.

Gurley struggled against the #2 rated run DVOA Bears as a healthy RB.  The Saints were rated #3 and had already seen him once this season.  Give Belichick two weeks against a predictable offense and he will shut almost anyone down.  I don't believe Gurley was injured, I think he ran into the Saints and Patriots who did a tremendous job defending against that offense (just like the Bears previously did).

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11 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

I got in trouble and took some time off.

Barkley and Elliot are the only ones I know that are valuable enough to move Vegas lines with substantial limits.  I don't put any value in things I can't quantify, so it's really those two and then everyone else.

CMC, Kamara

both JAG?

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9 minutes ago, electric Ape said:

 

Gurley’s speed metrics rule out many injuries but are we sure they rule out inflammation or tendinitis? In my experience those are injuries that athletes experience differently day to day and even play to play. When they flare up they’re much worse so there’s incentive to manage the athlete and limit workload. It’s possible that Gurley was feeling good and that his carries were limited, at least in the first half, to keep him feeling that way. I saw Gurley visibly limping in the SB but if Gurley has knee inflammation he does not have to be impaired or slowed down for his role to change, the reduction in snaps can be precautionary.

 

Agree with everything you are saying here and let me add some stuff.

That 19.8 MPH fastest player on the field crutch to illustrate he's not hurt is one of the worst utilizations of a stat I've seen in quite some time. It's horrible, and I'm a little ashamed for people it got this far as a talking point. Why? Because it was on a freaking 5 yard run. His next fastest play was 16.06 on a 16 yard run. He basically had a strong burst on a short run and we'll going to just go with that?

And there is more.

Gronk,  the guy mulling retirement because he is a shell of himself, had the 5th  fastest non-return in the game. Let me put this another way, GRONK was the FASTEST timed NE Patriot skill player on any play that was not a punt or kickoff return, but if you must add returns feel free as that would make Gronk the second fastest timed Patriot in the SB trailing Cord Patterson 39 yard KO return.

And there is still more.

I think I just spent over 30 minutes in vain searching for this graph I read Monday. Can't find it. So for now, unless someone can dig it up and if so please post it, you'll have to take my word for this.

His average MPH in the Dallas game was fairly normal. I believe he had his slowest of the season against the Saints the following week. That improved just a tad in the SB but below his average.

Multiple weeks rest his average speed was fairly normal. One week rest and it dipped to what I believe was a season low, two weeks rest and it picked back up a little but still under season average. That's not enough to go on to make any kind of determination. But damn if how fast he went on a 5 yard run is the basis for saying all is good and nothing to see here then I don't think having enough to go is much of a criteria in this discussion. The multiple week rest, followed by dip with one week rest and slight resurgence with two weeks sure sounds a lot to me like a lingering issue that worsens with use and lack of rest. A lot like tendinitis.

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16 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

CMC, Kamara

both JAG?

I think the majority of RBs are JAG.  The system and OL are more important to me.  Volume and scoring opportunities distort one's view of who is the best RB in the league.  I'm absolutely not discrediting how valuable Gurley has been in fantasy.  I do think his production is going to take a noticeable cut next year especially as a very high FF draft pick if Anderson is resigned. 

You put anyone else on the Rams with one of the best OL ever, a great offensive minded coach, good defense (which means more 4th quarter leads) and strong QB/WR play for more scoring opportunities and everyone in this thread would consider them the "best" RB in the league.  And we've seen that in a similar situation with the Steelers who also used a bellcow approach - Anderson and Brown did well instead of Gurley; Conner, DeWilliams, Samuels all did well instead of Bell.

I can quantify well a RB behind a certain OL against a certain defense, but in a vacuum, one would have to pull up SPARQ scores or something like that.  If Ingram leaves the Saints and CMC continues his production, they probably can be valuable enough to move spreads and I would change my opinion then. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Agree with everything you are saying here and let me add some stuff.

That 19.8 MPH fastest player on the field crutch to illustrate he's not hurt is one of the worst utilizations of a stat I've seen in quite some time. It's horrible, and I'm a little ashamed for people it got this far as a talking point. Why? Because it was on a freaking 5 yard run. His next fastest play was 16.06 on a 16 yard run. He basically had a strong burst on a short run and we'll going to just go with that?

And there is more.

Gronk,  the guy mulling retirement because he is a shell of himself, had the 5th  fastest non-return in the game. Let me put this another way, GRONK was the FASTEST timed NE Patriot skill player on any play that was not a punt or kickoff return, but if you must add returns feel free as that would make Gronk the second fastest timed Patriot in the SB trailing Cord Patterson 39 yard KO return.

And there is still more.

I think I just spent over 30 minutes in vain searching for this graph I read Monday. Can't find it. So for now, unless someone can dig it up and if so please post it, you'll have to take my word for this.

His average MPH in the Dallas game was fairly normal. I believe he had his slowest of the season against the Saints the following week. That improved just a tad in the SB but below his average.

Multiple weeks rest his average speed was fairly normal. One week rest and it dipped to what I believe was a season low, two weeks rest and it picked back up a little but still under season average. That's not enough to go on to make any kind of determination. But damn if how fast he went on a 5 yard run is the basis for saying all is good and nothing to see here then I don't think having enough to go is much of a criteria in this discussion. The multiple week rest, followed by dip with one week rest and slight resurgence with two weeks sure sounds a lot to me like a lingering issue that worsens with use and lack of rest. A lot like tendinitis.

The guy quoting his speed is a medical doctor.  Are you a doctor?  It's wild how the same people are continuing to discredit the opinion of professionals in the medical field and Rams organization because they don't want to admit that Gurley was horrible for some really big games.  

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Todd Gurley had 658 touches in the 2017-18 regular seasons and he only exceeded that mph 11 times.  His fastest mph last year vs. Atlanta was only 19.33mph.  

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After a few days or gathering info on this I'm left with this opinion. And it's all just my opinion.

Gurley was dealing with slight knee issue. If needed he could have carried normal workload and just run risk of it flaring up on him and being less effective. He was bothered by a knee, if pushed it might not have hindered him more then a little. McVay did not run to push him.

CJ Anderson playing so well in the Dallas game  and being so fresh from lack of use in season made McVay determined to just use both of them, thinking with Gurley's minor knee issue he could maximize him without trying to push him.

Along this journey I believe McVay's ego got the better of him. World changes fast sometimes but late in regular season Gurley was an MVP candidate and at least realistically a top 5 MVP candidate and a lot of talk all over that the Rams offense runs through him, he's what makes it all work. Now here is that offense working a few games with a RB cut by two teams and I think McVay's ego went next level.  Part of that ego was failing to understand how hard it is to make the SB, when you get here you don't preserve players or try to run risk of not pushing them to far.

I don't think Gurley is ok with how this ended.  I'm not sure some lingering animosity won't continue. Someone said he seemed kind of mentally detached during the SB and someone not that anxious to get into the game and it sure looked like that to me. Kind of how a feature back who was dominant all season would look if he's trying to be professional but was recently told by his coach that he'd be splitting carries  in the SB, in the state he starred in college, with CJ Anderson. These things don't come around but maybe once in a lifetime, I firmly believe Gurley is in fact upset McVay felt all to comfortable not pushing him physically in the biggest game of his life. People keep saying how weird would it be for McVay to make his feature back a RBBC guy with a twice cut this season RB but it would be equally weird if this happened to any feature back in the NFL and they were not extremely upset.

So my conclusion is the injury vs non-injury debate is not so black and white. He was dealing with something,  just not something so major his role should have been reduced in the manner that it was in the Super Bowl. I think Mcvay overthought this, his ego got in the way, and I don't think Gurley is happy about this and more the thinks about it might just linger more with him.

I would slightly devalue Gurley in both redraft and dynasty due to possible future discord and with a poor SB gameplan(not just Gurley related)  by McVay I still trust him but total confidence is now lost and it's slightly possible, I would even say likely, he goes into next season with intentions to use Gurley less per game then he was getting before he got hurt in the season.  These are slight devalues, still a sure thing top 6 valued asset, but for me he probably went from dynasty overall 2 to 5-6 and pretty similar in redraft.

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49 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

The guy quoting his speed is a medical doctor.  Are you a doctor?  It's wild how the same people are continuing to discredit the opinion of professionals in the medical field and Rams organization because they don't want to admit that Gurley was horrible for some really big games.  

Correct me if I’m wrong but we’re not talking about a doctor who evaluated Gurley right, just a doctor who watched the game on tv? It’s a valid piece of evidence (with the flaws that meno pointed out) but you are acting like it settles the matter and it doesn’t. You may remember earlier in the thread another doctor theorized that Gurley has patellar tendinitis and none of us declared the conversation over. It’s only an educated guess (that conflicts with other educated guesses).

 

In a similar vein you keep repeating public comments by the Rams on Gurley’s health. This is valid evidence also. But we all know the saying actions speak louder than words. History tells us that we should place more weight on how a coach uses his players than what he says about them because there is often a tactical advantage in deception. Gurley’s usage changed sharply after week 15 and no one has put forth a more convincing explanation for why this happened than the theory that his injury lingered.

 

I think CJ is a capable and even slightly underrated player but Gurley is elite. We should all know that YPC is poor, non-sticky metric and small sample size YPC is even worse so let’s not use that as a tool to compare them. 

 

We probably can’t resolve this on a message board. I think your points on the high value of OLs and offensive schemes and on the folly of overpaying at RB are sharper than your assessments of specific RBs but I appreciate both sides of the debate. Hopefully CJ re-signs with the Rams. If that happens and next season the usage split is similar to this year’s playoffs, I will come back in here and admit you were right, tync 

 

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6 minutes ago, Elevencents said:

Not worth it. This thread has hit the event horizon. 

Yes, kind of tiring isn’t it

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11 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Yes, kind of tiring isn’t it

I bet people have speculated he was injured and insinuated the entire Rams organization is full of liars close to 40 times now.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

I bet people have speculated he was injured and insinuated the entire Rams organization is full of liars close to 40 times now.

 

 

....and you have said the same thing at least 41 times.  

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