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I got on the Gurley train.  I'm looking out the window, but in no way ready to jump off.  This is roughly what I was expecting, but with some additional goal line looks.  If he's pulled from the red zone deliberately in week 2, we could be crashing.

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16 hours ago, -jb- said:

I got on the Gurley train.  I'm looking out the window, but in no way ready to jump off.  This is roughly what I was expecting, but with some additional goal line looks.  If he's pulled from the red zone deliberately in week 2, we could be crashing.

Seems like the only question is the arthritic knee / losing a step / decreased share (80% < 60%) vs shaking off the rust and he'll be fine. Nice to have M Brown be very capable. I think it would be time to offer a owner a lil nugget for Gurley in hopes he gets back in the swing and takes over 70%? I may offer Kerryon Johnson for him? It's close, but didn't like what I saw out of Johnson to open. I like that TE in Detroit. Gurley has got to be at least a high end RB #2, right? Or slip to Flex material at worst?

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Hopefully no news about the knees is good news following the game.

But Gurley seemed a bit abrupt with his comments. Not sure what to make of that? Sick of being asked maybe or waiting to see how they feel?

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10 minutes ago, Jacksonke1 said:

Hopefully no news about the knees is good news following the game.

But Gurley seemed a bit abrupt with his comments. Not sure what to make of that? Sick of being asked maybe or waiting to see how they feel?

He has been WAY over the knee talk for quite some time.  

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1 hour ago, Team Smokin' said:

Seems like the only question is the arthritic knee / losing a step / decreased share (80% < 60%) vs shaking off the rust and he'll be fine. Nice to have M Brown be very capable. I think it would be time to offer a owner a lil nugget for Gurley in hopes he gets back in the swing and takes over 70%? I may offer Kerryon Johnson for him? It's close, but didn't like what I saw out of Johnson to open. I like that TE in Detroit. Gurley has got to be at least a high end RB #2, right? Or slip to Flex material at worst?

I'm holding him.  At this point, I would only look at a WR/RB trade offer to improve at WR...but obviously everyone's roster looks different.

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A 120 yard 2 TD performance thrown in with 4 receptions for 40 yards will quiet this place down soon enough. Gurely looked fine to me. The amount of week one panic in the Shark Pool is an annual rite of passage. 

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5 minutes ago, Todem said:

A 120 yard 2 TD performance thrown in with 4 receptions for 40 yards will quiet this place down soon enough. Gurely looked fine to me. The amount of week one panic in the Shark Pool is an annual rite of passage. 

Week 1 overreaction and week 1 underreaction are both major banes on fantasy owners.

The top 50, even top 10 has so much turnover from year to year.  People that wait until the season is well under way before adjusting have already missed the boat.

We have to look at each individual situation, try and read between the lines and figure out whether panic selling Gurley at 2nd/3rd round startup value will be like getting out from a young Christian McCaffrey for another top 25 player, or getting out from a young Jay Ajayi for another top 25 player.

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35 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Week 1 overreaction and week 1 underreaction are both major banes on fantasy owners.

The top 50, even top 10 has so much turnover from year to year.  People that wait until the season is well under way before adjusting have already missed the boat.

We have to look at each individual situation, try and read between the lines and figure out whether panic selling Gurley at 2nd/3rd round startup value will be like getting out from a young Christian McCaffrey for another top 25 player, or getting out from a young Jay Ajayi for another top 25 player.

Very true. But when I watched him play in the second half and also look at the situation.....after week 1. I am not going to react to that. The fact was he looked very fresh, and ran with authority. He is not a RB1 bell cow per se. But a strong RB2 with RB1 like numbers some weeks. 

 

If you are depending on him to be a Kamara, McCaffery or Barkley...then yes concern is very much warranted. So it all depends on where he is in your lineup. For me he is firmly a RB2 in my lineup. Hence my lack of concern. And I feel like there will be plenty of weeks he will be a top 3 back. I see upside...not downside with Gurley this year in redraft.

 

Dynasty is another story. 

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Benching him in a PPR league for Barkley, Chubb, Ekeler, and Kittle. Not off the bandwagon, per se, just have a lot of strong options.

I will say that there was a time when the idea of starting Ekeler or Kittle ahead of Gurley would have been viewed as :crazy: .

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1 hour ago, Just Win Baby said:

Benching him in a PPR league for Barkley, Chubb, Ekeler, and Kittle. Not off the bandwagon, per se, just have a lot of strong options.

I will say that there was a time when the idea of starting Ekeler or Kittle ahead of Gurley would have been viewed as :crazy: .

1) How did you achieve that roster?

2) Kittle over Gurley is a call I wouldn't make.

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27 minutes ago, matuski said:

1) How did you achieve that roster?

2) Kittle over Gurley is a call I wouldn't make.

Dynasty team built over time. Also have QBs Watson and Wilson and TE Kelce, but WRs are weak. Team has been a top 3 contender every season for several years, but no titles. :sadbanana:

Agree Kittle vs. Gurley is a tough call, but Kittle just missed 2 TDs last week. FWIW, all 3 FBG projectors (Dodds, Bloom, Tremblay) have Kittle over Gurley.

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Josina Anderson field reporting from the Rams game today said that McVay told her the plan this year is for Gurley to get 65% of the work (Brown getting the other 35) and whomever is on the field to start the drive will get the GL carries for that drive.  

This lines up with exactly what we saw in week 1.  If this ends up being true all year Gurley will have a strong year (RB10-15).  

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1 minute ago, dkp993 said:

Josina Anderson field reporting from the Rams game today said that McVay told her the plan this year is for Gurley to get 65% of the work (Brown getting the other 35) and whomever is on the field to start the drive will get the GL carries for that drive.  

This lines up with exactly what we saw in week 1.  If this ends up being true all year Gurley will have a strong year (RB10-15).  

If true that's relatively good news for Gurley owners. What about Henderson though, he's going to get 0 carries all year...

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If we've learned anything by now, it's that we should always take Sean McVay at his word.

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21 hours ago, dkp993 said:

Josina Anderson field reporting from the Rams game today said that McVay told her the plan this year is for Gurley to get 65% of the work (Brown getting the other 35) and whomever is on the field to start the drive will get the GL carries for that drive.  

This lines up with exactly what we saw in week 1.  If this ends up being true all year Gurley will have a strong year (RB10-15).  

held true week 2 too... their giving brown entire drives.

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20 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

If we've learned anything by now, it's that we should always take Sean McVay at his word.

Let’s direct our rage where it belongs - toward Jeff Fisher, who ran an historically awful offense that involved blindly running Gurley into 8-man fronts repeatedly for 2 seasons.  That couldn’t have helped his knee health.

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Gurley's arthritis is so bad they decided to give him five carries up 27-9 with only 5:43 left in the game against a team playing their backup QB. :lmao:

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7 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

Gurley's arthritis is so bad they decided to give him five carries up 27-9 with only 5:43 left in the game against a team playing their backup QB. :lmao:

Best time to play him... 22 guys just trying to run the clock out.

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20 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

Gurley's arthritis is so bad they decided to give him five carries up 27-9 with only 5:43 left in the game against a team playing their backup QB. :lmao:

They did? I thought Brown was in and Gurley was shown riding a bike and walking the sideline. 

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47 minutes ago, Payne said:

They did? I thought Brown was in and Gurley was shown riding a bike and walking the sideline. 

Yup Gurley closed it out:

Los Angeles Rams at 5:43 1-10-LA 11 (5:43) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 11 for no gain (T.Hendrickson). 2-10-LA 11 (4:57) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 20 for 9 yards (E.Apple). 3-1-LA 20 (4:15) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 26 for 6 yards (C.Gardner-Johnson). R20 1-10-LA 26 (3:30) T.Gurley right end to LA 27 for 1 yard (V.Bell, A.Klein). Timeout #1 by NO at 03:24. 2-9-LA 27 (3:24) J.Goff sacked at LA 19 for -8 yards (M.Davenport). 3-17-LA 19 (2:39) T.Gurley left guard to LA 21 for 2 yards (D.Onyemata; M.Davenport). Timeout #2 by NO at 02:35. 4-15-LA 21 (2:35) J.Hekker punts 66 yards to NO 13, Center-J.McQuaide. D.Harris to NO 22 f

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1 hour ago, tjnc09 said:

Gurley's arthritis is so bad they decided to give him five carries up 27-9 with only 5:43 left in the game against a team playing their backup QB. :lmao:

Do you want the SP to collectively say “you were right” just so you can stop litigating it in every single board conversation?  I mean, maybe everyone would just agree to do that as a public service.

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4 hours ago, tjnc09 said:

Gurley's arthritis is so bad they decided to give him five carries up 27-9 with only 5:43 left in the game against a team playing their backup QB. :lmao:

I wish I was like you
Easily amused

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Depends on your scoring system I suppose, but Gurley is in the RB 15-20 bracket right now. Right around Devin Singletary (just behind actually in my league).

Is this what was expected? No shares, just curious.

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Column: Todd Gurley’s new normal is a reduced workload. Should Rams fans be concerned?

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The sense of surprise could be heard in the crescendo of cheers that rained upon the Coliseum floor during a stunning moment in the third quarter on a sweltering late Sunday afternoon.

Todd Gurley was actually given the ball at the goal line!

Todd Gurley actually scored a touchdown!

As Gurley sat on the grass after diving into the corner of the end zone, he was given the sort of heartfelt reception usually reserved for a garbage-time basket by the last kid on the bench.

The Rams have transformed their consummate superstar into a serviceable cog, and the locals now know it after watching him only flash sporadically in the home opening 27-9 victory over the New Orleans Saints.

The last time anyone around here saw Gurley, he was completing a two-season run in which he led the league in touchdowns and yards from scrimmage and touches.

That was last winter. This was not that.

This was a game that was essentially decided the moment Saints’ quarterback Drew Brees injured his thumb in the first quarter. It was an opportune moment for Gurley to redeem himself after his disappearing act in last season’s NFC championship game in New Orleans. If the Rams were ever going to end the mystery of last season and let him pound the ball again and again, it was going to be now.

Yet of his 16 carries Sunday, five of those came in the fourth quarter after the game had been clinched. He gave the Rams a lead they never lost with a four-yard scoring burst in the third quarter, but then he was replaced by Malcom Brown for the next two series.

He did not consistently see the ball around the goal line. He was only targeted for four screen passes even though that used to be a staple of the Rams’ offense.

On a day when he was set up to once again be The Man, he was just another guy, 63 yards rushing, four yards on the screen passes. He still runs like Todd Gurley when he gets a chance, he just doesn’t get as many big chances.

“I’m good,” Gurley said when asked about his situation, but for how long?

He is essentially platooning at various moments with Brown. It’s worked out well with the Rams winning their first two games, and nobody should be calling for a change. But it’s a bold move, and only time will tell if keeping a guy who was recently the NFL’s best running back on the bench for long stretches of time is ultimately a sustainable strategy.

Gurley is not visibly injured. When he comes out of the game he doesn’t retire to a trainers table to receive attention for those battered knees. He doesn’t ride a stationary bike to stay loose. He simply stands on the sideline waiting to get back in.

It’s apparently not about healing him, but conserving him. It appears coach Sean McVay’s NBA-style offense is also employing the newest NBA strategy. Welcome to the football version of load management.

His arthritic knees are clearly at risk after flaring up at the end of last season. The Rams obviously do not want to lose him like they did in last season’s NFC championship game and Super Bowl. So they are cutting his time and holding their breath and perhaps planning on increasing his workload when the games get bigger.

It makes sense for now. It’s worked so far. Maybe this will turn him into another Kawhi Leonard come playoff time. McVay tried a similarly innovative method last year when they benched virtually every star during all of preseason, and now everyone is doing it.

The Rams have earned the benefit of the doubt here, but it’s still weird, watching the game’s best back just standing there healthy while his offense churns without him. It’s still strange that through two games, he has scored one fewer touchdown and has two fewer receiving yards than Brown. It’s even stranger when you listen to one of Gurley’s notable teammates celebrate his Sunday score.

“It was great, it was great,” said Aqib Talib excitedly. “It’s super important, he’s the engine, we go as far as T.G. takes us, you know what I’m saying?”

He added, “He’s our workhorse, we all know that.”

Maybe later, but not now. When I asked McVay if this job share with Brown was Gurley’s new normal, he didn’t rule it out.

“It’s hard to say right now just through two games,” McVay said. “I think they both have done a nice job…as the season continues to progress, I think we’ll really find out.”

As odd as it all seems, if it keeps working, here’s guessing McVay is going to stick with it, and who can blame him?

“Each game kind of represents a different approach, but I thought both those guys did a nice job making some timely runs at times we had to have it,” said McVay.

The coach did acknowledge that Gurley’s first touchdown of the year was big, and that things could eventually change.

I think it was important for our team,” he said of the score. “He’s a special player, he’s been outstanding for us, I think he’s going to continue to be more and more important, as important really as he’s always been for us.”

The biggest risk here is that Gurley remains as engaged as he was when he was truly the engine that ran this team. He’s a hard guy for outsiders to read, he says little, reveals less, and it’s tough for the media to tell whether he’s upset or not. But he’s remained consistent in saying his usage is strictly the coaches decision.

When I asked if he was aware that his role has changed, he said, “Ask Sean. I’m not the head coach.’’

That’s the most he’ll give away, his teammates marveling at how he’s handling being in the weekly center of the storm.

“Todd is a strong-minded dude, so many people pulling at him, media, fans,” said safety John Johnson III. “Todd is a true professional, a competitor, we know he’s going to do the right thing.”

What the Rams are doing to him seems like the right thing, at least for now. Here’s guessing that one way or another, Todd Gurley will have the last word.

 

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23 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

Depends on your scoring system I suppose, but Gurley is in the RB 15-20 bracket right now. Right around Devin Singletary (just behind actually in my league).

Is this what was expected? No shares, just curious.

He’s RB 15 in non PPR with 100 yard bonuses. Right smack between Kamara at 14 and.... Malcolm Brown at 16. 

My RB2 and RB3 are currently way over performing and I own Malcom Brown as a handcuff so I’m not complaining too much about my second round pick of Gurley. He seems to have a safe floor currently which is not exactly what you want out of your RB1. But I drafted him with the thought that he’d be a stud RB1 again even though I knew all the signs. He’s put up a bit over 11 points a game and I hope will continue to get better.

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based on the established usage the first two games (65% of snaps, taking series off etc.) i dont see how you can project TG3 to be any higher than a low end RB1 or high end RB2. just looking last year at the top 10 RB's in my scoring format, the only part time RBs (i.e. a RB who has to share significant snaps) on that list was Kamara (who is historically efficient with his touches) and james white and he was RB8. every other RB was a full time or near full time RB..

pre-draft i let his past dominance (greed blinded me) get in the way of common sense (medicals) when i drafted him with the hopes of snagging a top 3 RB at the end of the 1st round. ideally, TG3 has a 2 td game this week and I can trade him for a player with a path to top 5 production. if you have elite RB production from another draft pick, then you can be thrilled with Gurley as a rock solid RB2 with upside each week.

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I have him teamed up with Bell. Not unhappy about that.

 

But my team stinks right now. 0-2 start. Oh well. 

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Malcolm Brown listed as questionable at today’s practice.

I think this is the first time in a long while I’ve hope for an injury to the handcuff rather than vice versa.

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On 9/17/2019 at 11:26 AM, iamkoza said:

based on the established usage the first two games (65% of snaps, taking series off etc.) i dont see how you can project TG3 to be any higher than a low end RB1 or high end RB2. just looking last year at the top 10 RB's in my scoring format, the only part time RBs (i.e. a RB who has to share significant snaps) on that list was Kamara (who is historically efficient with his touches) and james white and he was RB8. every other RB was a full time or near full time RB..

pre-draft i let his past dominance (greed blinded me) get in the way of common sense (medicals) when i drafted him with the hopes of snagging a top 3 RB at the end of the 1st round. ideally, TG3 has a 2 td game this week and I can trade him for a player with a path to top 5 production. if you have elite RB production from another draft pick, then you can be thrilled with Gurley as a rock solid RB2 with upside each week.

I hate to break it to you, but if a casual like me isn't giving anywhere but high second-round value, nobody at a high level is.

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Todd Gurley had 14 carries for 43 yards in Week 3 against the Browns.

Gurley never got going in this one, with the Rams calling 38 pass plays despite having the lead for most of the night. He lost significant snaps to Malcolm Brown, who had a few series to himself, but out-touched Brown by a wide margin. Gurley's workloads have been scaled back to start the year, but it's possible that grows as the season moves along. Gurley has a great rebound spot against the Bucs in Week 4.

Sep 22, 2019, 11:42 PM ET

 

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Well we are 3 games in and it's pretty clear that Gurley is losing far too many snaps to be an RB1 and is barely involved in the passing game. This is actually the worst possible outcome, since he's still the starter but you can't play him and you can't trade him and you can't start his handcuff. And since this pattern of usage extends back to last season, there really is no reason to think it's going to get any better now. This is the new normal and the Rams are winning with it.

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203/1 and 4/8/0 31.1 ppr points after 3 games 10.67 ppg

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1 minute ago, TwinTurbo said:

Well we are 3 games in and it's pretty clear that Gurley is losing far too many snaps to be an RB1 and is barely involved in the passing game. This is actually the worst possible outcome, since he's still the starter but you can't play him and you can't trade him and you can't start his handcuff. And since this pattern of usage extends back to last season, there really is no reason to think it's going to get any better now. This is the new normal and the Rams are winning with it. 

This is the most concerning thing to me, because of this they have absolutely no reason to go back to making him a workhorse. 

It's still mind blowing to me his lack of involvement in the passing game, he has been open quite a bit and Goff never seems to even look his way.

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1 minute ago, gotexansgo said:

This is the most concerning thing to me, because of this they have absolutely no reason to go back to making him a workhorse. 

It's still mind blowing to me his lack of involvement in the passing game, he has been open quite a bit and Goff never seems to even look his way.

From a real life perspective, it's amazing for Gurley who gets to be the 2nd highest paid RB in the league while taking half the carries. From a contract perspective, it's sort of a disaster for the Rams. And another example of why it's not smart in the current game to give huge deals to RBs. 

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3 minutes ago, Penguin said:

203/1 and 4/8/0 31.1 ppr points after 3 games 10.67 ppg

Thru 3 games last year... 255/4 and 11/121/1 78.6 ppr points and 26.2 ppg

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Gurley just seems to lost his burst that made him special. I think they gain something having Brown running the ball. Collinsworth made a comment that the Rams lose nothing with Brown running (as opposed to Gurley) and I definitely agree. And given they don't pass to Gurley anymore, him being a superior receiving option means not a whole lot.

Nick Chubb, to me, looks like the old Gurley. Hits the holes quick and finishes off runs.

And it's hard to believe that Chubb and Gurley are separated by 15 months. 

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The problem isn't so much the carries he's losing to Brown as it is that this just isn't the dynamic offense it was when Gurley was rolling out #1 fantasy RB stats.

The scoring opportunities aren't there, the line isn't opening up holes for big chunk plays, and I don't think any of us imagined even in our worst nightmares that Gurley would have 8 total receiving yards through 3 games.

The narrative this offseason was even 65% of Gurley's production would still be a RB1.  But the problem is it's more like he's getting 65% of 50% of the production.

If you combine Gurley/Brown's stats it is still nowhere near what Gurley was doing himself before.

That's not to mention that Gurley doesn't look all that great himself.  I mean he looks...fine.  He sure doesn't look like any kind of game changer.

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Gurley will be fine. They are slowly bringing him up to speed. Come week 10 and playoff time he’ll be the Gurley we’ve to know and ❤️ !!!

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1 hour ago, BigTex said:

Gurley will be fine. They are slowly bringing him up to speed. Come week 10 and playoff time he’ll be the Gurley we’ve to know and ❤️ !!!

Tex

I hope others think this way as well.  I'm leaning towards putting out some Dynasty offers with him.  If I can get someone like a Marlon Mack or Phillip Lindsay + a sweetener, I'd take it.

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they're definitely NOT bringing him along slowly, they've been doing the same BS since late last season, through the playoffs, the SB, preseason 2019, and now 3 reg season games.the Gurley of 0ld? well, he's toast.plain and simple.  if EVER there was a game to give him 35 carries, it was the SB. instead, he rode a bike on the sidelines.

 

at some point the Rams are going to find a RB to lean on, and they're going to do so this season.but it won't be Gurley. that ship has sailed. I''m not even sure you can sell high with him at this point. I guess you kind of take what you can get and call it a victory.

 

 

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There's a psychological aspect to this as well.  It's hard on an athlete when he's not able to play at the level if he once did.

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I think last night was the writing on the wall. I was holding out hope they were "easing him back in". But it seemed to me he was out there for the majority of the game.

The touches he did get were not very good. Like Tex said, he isn't even being looked at in the passing game.

  

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He's done as as fantasy stud. Right now he's working on improving enough to be a fantasy ham & egger but he's got a lot of work to do.

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3 hours ago, Tanner9919 said:

they're definitely NOT bringing him along slowly, they've been doing the same BS since late last season, through the playoffs, the SB, preseason 2019, and now 3 reg season games.the Gurley of 0ld? well, he's toast.plain and simple.  if EVER there was a game to give him 35 carries, it was the SB. instead, he rode a bike on the sidelines.

 

at some point the Rams are going to find a RB to lean on, and they're going to do so this season.but it won't be Gurley. that ship has sailed. I''m not even sure you can sell high with him at this point. I guess you kind of take what you can get and call it a victory.

 

 

He had 14 of the team’s 17 RB carries last night.   The Browns were missing most of their starting defensive backfield, thus the Rams passed the ball a ton.  

The real brutal moment for Gurley owners was watching Goff get stuffed on a QB sneak from the 1, only to pass to Kupp on 3rd down from the 1, with Gurley on the field spectating.

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He's not getting the touches that he used to get that made him so valuable, goal line carries and targets in the passing game

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wait until the Rams lose a game and you will see more of him in the next one.....it's that simple. If I'm a coach and my stud RB whom I will need in the playoffs is just back from injury, I would ease him back into it on a needed basis. They are winning right now so no point of overworking him. I think it's a very smart way to manage the RBs in that team. If they start losing a game or two, I feel very confident Gurley will see a lot more actions. 

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On Saturday I offered my Ingram and Olsen for Gurley to a guy that lost his starting TE (Njoku).  Guy never responded.  Feels like a bullet dodged right now. 

What a weird situation.  Guy was an absolute beast (and they paid him like one), now they've turned him into JAG.

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