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9 minutes ago, Weebs210 said:

Wouldn't it be Brown with Henderson as the 3rd down back?

I believe they drafted henderson to ultimately replace Gurley. He ran the same zone blocking scheme in college and he has good hands. Brown just knows the offense better and I believe is a better pass blocker which is why I see him in on 3rd downs. You don't want to get Goff killed because a blown blitz pickup by a rookie Rb.

 

Edit: Just to be more clear this is going off of Mcvay saying he might ride the rookie. If thats true I would put money on it he's the early down back. But this is a big game like I stated before. So it could be smoke and mirrors as I believe it will be brown in 85% of the snaps and maybe a breather or 2 to henderson

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41 minutes ago, RealReactions said:

I believe they drafted henderson to ultimately replace Gurley. He ran the same zone blocking scheme in college and he has good hands. Brown just knows the offense better and I believe is a better pass blocker which is why I see him in on 3rd downs. You don't want to get Goff killed because a blown blitz pickup by a rookie Rb

Why I don't think Henderson will see significant PT despite Gurley being (likely) out Week 6. Obviously he'll likely see more offensive snaps because I think he's seen 2 (?) all year. Brown is a better inside runner right now IMO. Brown knows the protections. He's been playing whole drives when he's been out there.

Unlike Henderson, he'll take what's there. I'll go as far and say the Rams don't lose anything going from 2019 Gurley to Brown running the football. Remains to be seen what Henderson can give as a blocker, taking what's there as a runner, patience and ball security when running to his right at this level. Gurley has done a ton of pass blocking and it's going to be a large requirement of whomever is back there.

Malcolm Brown IMO is a lot better than people think. I think Henderson can add some explosive element sprinkled in. More likely IMO, Everett and Higbee asked to block more. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or both of them flank Goff on some snaps.

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First, the 9ers have a tough, physical D. The Rams may not be able to run, period.

As far as the split if Gurley is out, Brown is likely to get the vast majority of PT. I'd guess Henderson gets sprinkled in & if he can make something happen, who knows. 

There's a big swing as far as how Brown/Henderson could play out. Brown is underrated & Henderson is overrated, IMO, but it's really going to come down to production. And sometimes, it just depends on the play calls (or chance) as to who does best.

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4 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

Makes sense to me.  It always comes back to the knee

Plus Daenerys would roast you if you didn't bend the need so that's added logic

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13 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Plus Daenerys would roast you if you didn't bend the need so that's added logic

Especially if there are bells going off during the game.

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At least he got his $45 Million.  Told everyone he was an AVOID this year in FF.

They need to dramatically scale back his workload and turn this into a 3-headed committee.

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1 hour ago, leftcoastheel said:

At least he got his $45 Million.  Told everyone he was an AVOID this year in FF.

They need to dramatically scale back his workload and turn this into a 3-headed committee.

If this wasn't his knee, your prediction is about as valid as any other prediction of injury.

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52 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

The guy lies through his teeth constantly

Yup. Gurley wasn't part of your game plan in the SB?

God, he'd be a terrible stripper. You at least decide to believe them for good or ill. No way can you believe McVay. 

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I'm leaning towards McVay being full of ####. 

Once I got to thinking about it, how could this injury "take them by surprise". A contusion with enough magnitude to miss a game would be treated by the training staff right away. Bad bruises can be pretty narly. All of a sudden it becomes an issue out of the blue?

I don't buy the company line, but I could be wrong. Maybe Gurley initially hid the injury, who knows. Something stinks, though.

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8 minutes ago, Football Jones said:

I'm leaning towards McVay being full of ####. 

Once I got to thinking about it, how could it "take them by surprise". A contusion with enough magnitude to miss a game would be treated by the training staff right away. Bad bruises can be pretty narly. All of a sudden it becomes an issue out of the blue?

I don't buy the company line, but I could be wrong. Maybe Gurley initially hid the injury, who knows. Something stinks, though.

His knee hurts.

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44 minutes ago, Football Jones said:

I'm leaning towards McVay being full of ####. 

Once I got to thinking about it, how could this injury "take them by surprise". A contusion with enough magnitude to miss a game would be treated by the training staff right away. Bad bruises can be pretty narly. All of a sudden it becomes an issue out of the blue?

I don't buy the company line, but I could be wrong. Maybe Gurley initially hid the injury, who knows. Something stinks, though.

Gurley does have a history of this.  He’s a gamer and plays through #### he shouldn’t.   I found this quote below that I haven’t see anywhere else yet it’s the most telling info to come out of this current injury, not sure why others aren’t reporting it.  
 

I don’t think it’s the knee.  As others have said it was pretty clear he got banged up early in the Thursday night game.   Feel like this is what it is.  A deep bruise.  
 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001064520/article/todd-gurley-quad-doubtful-vs-49ers-aqib-talib-out

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I didn't see the hit that caused the damage; I am far from a physician, but compensation injuries are for real - who knows what the guy has given McVay's track record of providing information.  I've had them.  To the point, I was REALLY concerned watching him last year... this is not helping, and rather reinforcing my view.

I was kind of drunk watching the game.  That said, I definitely noticed him limping towards the last third or so of the game, and the the staff continuing to send him out.  I was like WTF, put Brown in.  To Todd's credit, he appeared to stay positive.  But not sure what McVay and Co. are thinking right now.

I wish they would just chill with his usage.  Brown is a good player and we have athletes all over the offense.

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36 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

More from McVay and some more info on the injury.  But this directly contradicts his “took them by surprise” statement so who knows what’s true.  
 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-mcvay-rams-taking-time-233032818.html

Yeah, that's exactly opposite of what he said earlier which further validates my opinion something is up.

Who knows, but McVay's waffling doesn't instill confidence it's something other than the knee.

Maybe it's a quad contusion, but the "took us by surprise" comment doesn't make any sense if that's the case.

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For there to be this grand conspiracy, it seems to me there would have to be a reason for a conspiracy? Why would they be making this up?  Maybe he took a penetrating knee, limped somewhat for the rest of the game, though at first it would clear up and found it got worse rather than better, decidded to tell the staff about the severity and may need to sit out over it? If it is his knee, why not just say it is his knee and he continues to have trouble with it. I don't think they care about keeping secrets to damage your fantasy prospects or team. He's hurt and can't play. When he can, he will. Why would there be some huge 'coverup' of Gurley's actual condition?  

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1 hour ago, Catbird said:

For there to be this grand conspiracy, it seems to me there would have to be a reason for a conspiracy? Why would they be making this up?  Maybe he took a penetrating knee, limped somewhat for the rest of the game, though at first it would clear up and found it got worse rather than better, decidded to tell the staff about the severity and may need to sit out over it? If it is his knee, why not just say it is his knee and he continues to have trouble with it. I don't think they care about keeping secrets to damage your fantasy prospects or team. He's hurt and can't play. When he can, he will. Why would there be some huge 'coverup' of Gurley's actual condition?  

I’m not saying I agree there’s a “grand conspiracy,” but I understand the skepticism with which people view the Rams and the info they release about Gurley.  Last year, there were reports of Gurley being fine at the end of the season/playoffs, but he continued to split carries with CJ Anderson.  I think those experiences may be causing people to doubt whether they are being completely honest about his health.

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2 hours ago, Catbird said:

For there to be this grand conspiracy, it seems to me there would have to be a reason for a conspiracy? Why would they be making this up?  Maybe he took a penetrating knee, limped somewhat for the rest of the game, though at first it would clear up and found it got worse rather than better, decidded to tell the staff about the severity and may need to sit out over it? If it is his knee, why not just say it is his knee and he continues to have trouble with it. I don't think they care about keeping secrets to damage your fantasy prospects or team. He's hurt and can't play. When he can, he will. Why would there be some huge 'coverup' of Gurley's actual condition?  

Because of last year

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2 hours ago, Catbird said:

For there to be this grand conspiracy, it seems to me there would have to be a reason for a conspiracy? Why would they be making this up?  Maybe he took a penetrating knee, limped somewhat for the rest of the game, though at first it would clear up and found it got worse rather than better, decidded to tell the staff about the severity and may need to sit out over it? If it is his knee, why not just say it is his knee and he continues to have trouble with it. I don't think they care about keeping secrets to damage your fantasy prospects or team. He's hurt and can't play. When he can, he will. Why would there be some huge 'coverup' of Gurley's actual condition?  

Because quad contusion sounds a hell of a lot better than “you know that arthritic knee that he’s been having trouble with?  Yeah, it’s already a definite issue after five games averaging 13 carries per game.  Not looking good for this season.  Any other questions?”

As I said upthread, if it were a quad contusion, I would think video of the hit where it occurred would be circulating by now.  No?  Not saying it didn’t happen and they’re running interference with what they’re saying, but a quick video clip of the hit that caused it would significantly quell concerns.

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18 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Because quad contusion sounds a hell of a lot better than “you know that arthritic knee that he’s been having trouble with?  Yeah, it’s already a definite issue after five games averaging 13 carries per game.  Not looking good for this season.  Any other questions?”

As I said upthread, if it were a quad contusion, I would think video of the hit where it occurred would be circulating by now.  No?  Not saying it didn’t happen and they’re running interference with what they’re saying, but a quick video clip of the hit that caused it would significantly quell concerns.

While I agree that video would he available, do the Rams care if there are concerns from us?

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6 hours ago, dkp993 said:

More from McVay and some more info on the injury.  But this directly contradicts his “took them by surprise” statement so who knows what’s true.  
 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-mcvay-rams-taking-time-233032818.html

This is really frustrating as a Gurley owner who has been holding Brown all year. Dropped him Tuesday on waivers for Edmonds. Don’t need to get into arguing if that was a good or bad call, but I definitely would have held if I knew this info.

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I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop.

Probably not until 11:30 AM tmrw where the likes of Rappaport, LaCanfora, or Sheff report more ominous details. You know they are sniffing around this right now.

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Just now, kyoun1e said:

I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop.

Probably not until 11:30 AM tmrw where the likes of Rappaport, LaCanfora, or Sheff report more ominous details. You know they are sniffing around this right now.

Not to get side tracked. But with the people looking for the next big scoop how are people not staking out the practice facility to see how they are walking. No one has seen Kamara since he got hurt. Why? NFL players can just disappear? 

With the gambling edges in the world there are not people following these guys? 

Not saying its right or wrong, but I am still shocked you dont get more pics of injured players out in public or leaving the facilities. 

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2 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

Because quad contusion sounds a hell of a lot better than “you know that arthritic knee that he’s been having trouble with?  Yeah, it’s already a definite issue after five games averaging 13 carries per game.  Not looking good for this season.  Any other questions?”

As I said upthread, if it were a quad contusion, I would think video of the hit where it occurred would be circulating by now.  No?  Not saying it didn’t happen and they’re running interference with what they’re saying, but a quick video clip of the hit that caused it would significantly quell concerns.

Have you watched his games? 

People focus on the carries, and either aren’t watching or somehow don’t notice the dozens of blitz pickups and blocks Gurley has been left in to absorb - almost exclusively his to shoulder. 
 

Now, maybe there is more up than we know... but if the Rams were concerned about workload and the knee, why would Gurley be forced to take all the additional punishment rather than spread that among the backs at least to some degree?


 

 

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1 hour ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

While I agree that video would he available, do the Rams care if there are concerns from us?

I’d say they have about 45 million reasons why they might care what public perception might be.  Just one thought.  

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10 minutes ago, Koya said:

Have you watched his games? 

People focus on the carries, and either aren’t watching or somehow don’t notice the dozens of blitz pickups and blocks Gurley has been left in to absorb - almost exclusively his to shoulder. 
 

Now, maybe there is more up than we know... but if the Rams were concerned about workload and the knee, why would Gurley be forced to take all the additional punishment rather than spread that among the backs at least to some degree?


 

 

If the knee is so bad they feel he shouldn’t be absorbing pass blocking assignments, then they’d probably just shut him down.  But my assumption is that it’s not that bad.  But it’s feasible that it’s bad enough where they’d rather he pass block 10 extra times per game instead of carrying the ball  those 10 times.

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2 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

Because quad contusion sounds a hell of a lot better than “you know that arthritic knee that he’s been having trouble with?  Yeah, it’s already a definite issue after five games averaging 13 carries per game.  Not looking good for this season.  Any other questions?”

As I said upthread, if it were a quad contusion, I would think video of the hit where it occurred would be circulating by now.  No?  Not saying it didn’t happen and they’re running interference with what they’re saying, but a quick video clip of the hit that caused it would significantly quell concerns.

Maybe it occurred at the bottom of a pile & there’s not a good video of it?

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1 minute ago, Bayhawks said:

Maybe it occurred at the bottom of a pile & there’s not a good video of it?

Seems unlikely if it’s a significant enough of a trauma to force him out of a game ten days later, but certainly possible.

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I don't think this is conspiratorial in accusation. They've lied before through their teeth. They might be doing it again.

It's not like we're questioning the moon landing and Kubrick or something like that. 

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2 minutes ago, Bayhawks said:

Maybe it occurred at the bottom of a pile & there’s not a good video of it?

It sounds to me like he isn't sure exactly when it happened in the game, but he started to feel it.

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Gurley noticed the injury during last week’s game in Seattle, but the news was never made public until he popped up on the injury report for Wednesday’s practice.

“You feel something during the game and then I guess the adrenaline…” Gurley said when asked when he first felt the injury. “Most definitely, though, it’s those days off for sure – then it just kind of kept lingering on.”

The fact that the Rams had three extra days off and Gurley remains questionable is a bit of a concern. Still, Gurley remains optimistic on the situation. “It’s been getting a lot better since the day after the game – always a positive way to look at things.”

Gurley’s injury is on his left quad, so it’s completely unrelated from the notorious arthritis in his surgically-repaired right knee. Regardless, the Rams are likely to remain cautious when it comes to Gurley given his general injury concerns. McVay will have Malcolm Brown and Darrel Henderson ready to carry the load if Gurley can’t go on Sunday.

If Gurley can’t practice on Friday, it seems unlikely that he’d suit up on Sunday. But the three-time Pro Bowler is just taking it one day at a time. “What’s today – Thursday? I got Friday, Saturday, but just worrying about trying to just get back right and make that decision when the time comes.”

 

 

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As a guide, D. Williams of KC just was sidelined two weeks with a contusion on his knee. 

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24 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

If the knee is so bad they feel he shouldn’t be absorbing pass blocking assignments, then they’d probably just shut him down.  But my assumption is that it’s not that bad.  But it’s feasible that it’s bad enough where they’d rather he pass block 10 extra times per game instead of carrying the ball  those 10 times.

I’ll be honest, I think the body takes as much if not more punishment from a RB blocking as running... perhaps there is less risk of getting the legs twisted which could result in a tear, so that’s fair game, but to your point, if they were really that concerned, why use up so much of what mileage he has left blocking.

Of course, none of us really know, and I don’t see why they’d lie and say it’s a contusion and not the knee but I wouldn’t be shocked if that were the case, either 

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I’m sure everyone’s exhausted talking about his knee. That would be one reason to curb the truth

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28 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Seems unlikely if it’s a significant enough of a trauma to force him out of a game ten days later, but certainly possible.

You don’t think a 300 lb D-linemen smashing into your thigh in a pile could cause an injury?

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2 minutes ago, Bayhawks said:

You don’t think a 300 lb D-linemen smashing into your thigh in a pile could cause an injury?

Guess I’m not exactly sure what your scenario is? “In the pile” typically means on the ground.  If you’re talking about him getting hit in a big mass of players while actually upright and running with the ball, but without a clear camera view of the hit, that’s absolutely plausible.  

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Reading some of these quote it may be up to Gurley to decide if he can play.


What do Gurley owners do if he plays?

Start him business as usual?

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5 minutes ago, VikingFrog said:

What do Gurley owners do if he plays?

Start him business as usual?

Depends if you think he's match-up proof, because he's got a tough one. 

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1 hour ago, simey said:

It sounds to me like he isn't sure exactly when it happened in the game, but he started to feel it.

 

It could also be that he is just slightly dinged with this, but they are looking for ways to limit his touches over the season anyways so why not take this opportunity? 

On the flip side of that, they need this game... 

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50 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Guess I’m not exactly sure what your scenario is? “In the pile” typically means on the ground.  If you’re talking about him getting hit in a big mass of players while actually upright and running with the ball, but without a clear camera view of the hit, that’s absolutely plausible.  

I was just speculating that the absence of a video isn’t proof of a conspiracy.  You’re probably right that a hit after he’s tackled wouldn’t be likely to cause this type of injury.

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4 minutes ago, Bayhawks said:

I was just speculating that the absence of a video isn’t proof of a conspiracy.  You’re probably right that a hit after he’s tackled wouldn’t be likely to cause this type of injury.

But he had no MRI, which means he's fine. ;)

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2 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

I’d say they have about 45 million reasons why they might care what public perception might be.  Just one thought.  

 

What's the thought process here? They have to pay Gurley either way, and everyone already thinks they're lying...for some reason. I can't figure out the goal. It's not gonna help them retcon that contract they gave him out of existence.

Absolute worst case seems to be that at some point in the future McVay or his GM says publically "hey we paid a talented player and he wasn't the same afterwards due to his knee. It happens". And the players respect that because those types of guys don't always get the contracts their bodies have already been damaged trying to earn, the media eats it up but it passes through the news cycle quickly, and the fans are probably pissed for a while but it's still early enough in their tenure and close enough to the SB appearance that they get over it because they have a great coaching staff and front office overall. 

I just don't see the upside to the conspiracy other than trying to avoid getting in trouble (fines, draft picks) for obviously lying about his health in the lead up to the SB for an attempt at a competitive advantage. But that's not the conspiracy people cite usually, especially when you bring up Gurley's big contract here. Bringing up the guaranteed money doesn't make the theory make any more sense to me, they have to pay him either way even if they messed up. 

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5 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

What's the thought process here?

You neatly summed up my question about that line of thinking as well. I don't get what the money has to do with the lying, other than PR with fans and the media, who are really for the most part totally on the Rams' side since their move back to LA. The local news covers them with kid gloves. They'd survive that hit.

I really think they might lie for competitive advantage reasons, just like they did before. That said, I believe this is a contusion. I also believe he's not the same back, contusion or not.

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If this conspiracy angle had legs, wouldn't they say the contusion is on the same leg as the arthritic knee?

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