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[Dynasty] Todd Gurley (5 Viewers)
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Footballguy
$5 million seems cheap, it's the same Howard got. But it's still top 10 for running backs.
How pitiful is that? I mean, I realized they're undervalued but your kicker makes almost that much.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I'd argue that is about what Gurley is worth. Probably more than Howard is worth, but Miami has made a slew of poor moves in my eyes.
I think the argument is that kickers should be paid less. Other than kicker and punter, every other position is probably more valuable than RB.
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Footballguy
That's certainly where the NFL seems to be today. Unless you're Derrick Henry, Zeke, or a few others. I do wonder if we're going to see more of a drop-off in players actually wanting to play RB. If they can play receiver instead, that seems to be the better play for the individual.
While nobody here is turning down million dollar contracts, it just doesn't seem really worth it to take the beating running backs do, and make amongst the least of any position in major pro sports.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
The problem with RBs is they get beat up in high school and college. So they spend 7 years getting hammered by opponents. They've essentially put 7 years on their body while WR have put about 1 equivalent year.
RBs more than anyone should be trying to get the rules changed so they can skip college. Then they can get paid before getting hit 2000+ times while making the NCAA richer.
RBs more than anyone should be trying to get the rules changed so they can skip college. Then they can get paid before getting hit 2000+ times while making the NCAA richer.
Honestly, Henry and Zeke aren't that valuable either. The real question will be McCaffrey, because he's an elite RB, and a top receiver.
I kinda think the bolded has already happened. We've seen several WR's that would have been RB's 20+ years ago. I certainly think Deebo Samuel would have been, probably Laviska Shenault too. Conversely, I wonder if he were coming out now instead of 1994, if Marshall Faulk would have been a WR?
One issue to this idea fully taking hold, is that the lower you get on the level of play, the more valuable RB becomes. Its probably your best or 2nd best player on HS teams.
I know if I had a really athletic kid who wanted to play football, and wasn't going to be a QB, I'd be trying to get them to play CB. The money is there, and the demand seems to be far greater than the supply. Which is how guy like Trey Waynes get 12 million a year, despite being a pretty below average starter.
That is a really bad idea. Most 18 year olds, even the most athletically gifted, are still going to be physically unable to handle playing with NFL players. All skipping college does is leave them with no education. Coming into the league sooner doesn't change the value of the position, if anything it would make it even lower, as the supply of RB's would get even bigger.
The best answer is that the truly elite athletes should play other positions. RB should be to WR, what G is to T, where its often the place guys get moved when they can't cut it at the more important spot.
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Footballguy
Woah now.
one guy just literally carried his team to the conference championship game.At least zeke is getting paid like it.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
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Footballguy
It wouldn't work for all of them, but some RBs can play wr, other RBs might have been able to play linebacker. Size-wise anyway, obviously there are other skills they'd have to learn.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I think you could say the same thing about WRs. Tyrell Williams is getting 12 million a year too.
Quick look and it looks like most of the warnings for you where when you said stuff like
Be cooler. And stop the
back and forth. If you've got a point, make it and back up why you think it. Thanks. 
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I’m still surprised how terrified teams seem of him. He’s still 25 and I get he has arthritis in his knee but you would think given his age he could manage it for a few more years. He was ok last year. His YPC was down but it was still best of the 3 backs on the team. The Rams couldn’t run block last year.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
True, but he hasn't looked the same since taking that bump in the Chiefs game in 2018. He went from being all-world to JAG. And not coincidentally, the Rams offense hasn't been the same on a consistent level since.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Rams also saw their o-line fall apart between the SB and 2019 season. I’m just surprised at his total lack of value for how young he is and how not far removed we are from him being Offensive Player of the Year.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
It's been brought up in a number of threads before (I specifically recall the debate back when Bell was holding out) that very few of the best prospects/athletic kids at the high school and college level are playing RB anymore. They all see the career longevity and the earnings potential at the other positions. I mean WR2 & WR3's get paid better than many RB's and have much longer careers on average to say nothing of how they don't take the wear and tear on their body ending up like Earl Campbell and barely able to walk.
Actually, the latter was in another thread when another guy kept derailing it because I said "positive TD regression". Common vernacular in the fantasy football world. You know - a type of phrase even your staff uses:Quick look and it looks like most of the warnings for you where when you said stuff like
Be cooler. And stop the
https://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2019-regression-alert-week-15
"In Week 8, I discussed how yard-to-touchdown ratios can be applied to tight ends but the players most likely to regress positively were already the top performers at the position. I made a novel prediction to try to overcome this quandary."
Next time I'll make sure to report him first for not being cool so I'm not the one who gets in trouble.
I've already backed up my opinion of Gurley with plenty of articles, stats, quotes, etc. I put 1000x more effort into my argument than the people reporting me because my opinion was different than theirs.
Faust
MVP
The PFF linked article above has him as a top-15 running back for next year while Fantasy Pros is projecting him with numbers that would have had him at RB9 last year:
Fantasy Impact: Todd Gurley to the Falcons
Gurley is a rapidly declining dynasty asset right now, so if you are going for a championship and the acquisition price is reasonable then you can pull the trigger on a trade to acquire him. If you are in a rebuild mode then selling him is what I’d be looking to do.
I traded Gurley away last year at our trade deadline and the package was Gurley and Preston Williams for a 2020 first round rookie pick and a 2020 second round rookie pick. I used a third round 2019 rookie pick on Williams, and while I am bullish on his talent, I don’t expect the Dolphins offence to be consistent top producer of fantasy stats for the next few seasons.
Be cooler. And stop the back and forth. If you've got a point, make it and back up why you think it. Thanks.
And please drop this now. Little patience today for people that just want to argue.
I know two other people that subscribed to Establish the Run last season instead of FBG specifically because of how these forums are moderated. I'm curious if you are okay with losing business on top of providing a service (forums) that costs you money?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Some kids just ASK for detention.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I traded David Johnson for him last year. Seems about right still.Had talks with a guy today, offered him Gurly and my 1.10 for his 1.3 and 2.3. Firm no. :(
kutta
Footballguy
Just FYI, there are a lot of us who really like the way these forums are moderated, and that's why we stay.
dkp993
Footballguy
We moderate these forums where we ask people to be cool to each other and not troll. I believe that's what we do.
If asking people to be cool to each other and not troll causes us to lose money, I'm absolutely okay with that.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Kevrunner
Footballguy
It will be interesting, even Malcolm Brown’s YPC were way lower, similar to Gurley’s when comparing 2018 to 2019. I’m putting most of the blame on the Rams horrible offensive line. And with Gurley agreeing to a 1 year contract, that tells me Gurley is willing to bet on himself. Darrell Henderson really couldn’t do much with that offensive line also, while other rookie RBs were shining on their teams.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
It was down mostly because of how horrible the OL played, they were one of the worst in the league.
Tex
Kevrunner
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tombonneau
Footballguy
I see about .00000001% of the posts made on the forum. I see a lot of yours as so many of yours are reported by people.
Now please drop this now. Please be cool to other posters and post good content. I know you can do that. Last time I'm asking. Thanks.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
(thehuddle) Atlanta Falcons RB Todd Gurley was charged with the dropped pass on a league-high 14.3 percent of his targets in 2019 as a member of the Los Angeles Rams. Denver Broncos RB Phillip Lindsay (12.5) and Minnesota Vikings RB Dalvin Cook (11.1) were the only other qualified running backs with a drop rate of higher than nine percent.
The Frankman
Footballguy
If he gets featured like he was in 2017 his knee will fall apart. There's enough of a body of evidence to never trust Sean McVay and that staff in regards to Todd Gurley. Degenerative knee issues don't improve with more work. He needs to be a timeshare back and managed for the rest of his career.
