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Ben Roethlisberger - initially didn't want Steelers QB Kenny Pickett to succeed (2 Viewers)

BigSteelThrill said:
I think his chance of falling off is way way way less... then Brady, Tyrod or Cousins (though I do like Cousins).  Or even some of the non-QBs you listed.

Brees though, is very close. And they will go almost back-to-back in most drafts.
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Ben is definitely safer than Tyrod, Cousins, etc. The difference is I can throw away Tyrod if he sucks and get new QBs on the WW. Most of the guys getting drafted late get cut as the year goes on. Its a matter of preference, but I think the difference in value of the WRs/RBs from round 5 to round 10 is massive. The slope from QBs in the 5th to QBs in the 10th is a much more gentle descent.

 
Ilov80s said:
Ben is definitely safer than Tyrod, Cousins, etc. The difference is I can throw away Tyrod if he sucks and get new QBs on the WW. Most of the guys getting drafted late get cut as the year goes on. Its a matter of preference, but I think the difference in value of the WRs/RBs from round 5 to round 10 is massive. The slope from QBs in the 5th to QBs in the 10th is a much more gentle descent.
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But you aren't trying to throw away and end-up with an also ran or chasing at the #1 scoring position. You want a shot tip-top performance, which you have in spades with Ben or Brees.

And neither is at the price that ARod or Cam are at.  You have already gotten your 4 (or 5) horses at RB and WR.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
But you aren't trying to throw away and end-up with an also ran or chasing at the #1 scoring position. You want a shot tip-top performance, which you have in spades with Ben or Brees.

And neither is at the price that ARod or Cam are at.  You have already gotten your 4 (or 5) horses at RB and WR.
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You absolutely can play late picks and WW to get top 6 QB scoring. Over 40 different QBs had a QB1 performance last year. The % for which the top QBs are having a QB1 week are down from where it used to be. 

 
Ilov80s said:
You absolutely can play late picks and WW to get top 6 QB scoring. Over 40 different QBs had a QB1 performance last year. The % for which the top QBs are having a QB1 week are down from where it used to be. 
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Yes, but so can the guy with Ben and Brees. And snipe ya.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Let's be serious. 

Top 4 for the last 7-8 years (until last year) has pretty much been Rodgers, Brady, Manning and Brees.  With Manning now retired and Brees having dropped a tad, I think most would argue that Rodgers and Brady are 1a and 1b, with Cam and Wilson right behind. Roethlisberger would be in the next mix with Brees and Palmer (although I think Palmer is a bit of a product of the system).  That is how I see things currently.  At no point has Roethlisberger been a consensus top 3 NFL QB. 
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42 NFL coaches and evaluators to rank 33 QBs into five different tiers.

Three QBs are in Tier 1...

Rodgers

Roethlisberger

Brady

Tier 1: Can carry his team each week. Team wins because of him.
Tier 2: Can carry team sometimes but not as consistently.
Tier 3: Legit starter but needs heavy run game/defense to win.
Tier 4: Might not want this guy starting all 16 games.
Tier 5: Do not think this guy should be starting.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/17235940/2016-nfl-qb-tier-rankings-new-england-patriots-tom-brady-green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger .

 
Just proves that this is not an exact science. 

The people in that story think he is top 3.

Players think he is the 6th best (as shown in this year's top 100). 

Last year he was 2nd in QBR, but 11th in passer rating. 

I just cannot imagine anyone thinking he is as good or better than Brady or Rodgers, and Cam is the defending MVP, so top 3...nope. 

 
Huge diff between NFL coaches and scouts... and everyone else. Those are the people who do this for a living and a matter of winning and losing actual NFL games.

 
Sure, but that doesn't mean they are always right. 

What's interesting is that Roethlisberger had never won a playoff game following a season in which he didn't have a top 5 defense until last year, and that took an epic meltdown by the Bengals, yet they put him in the "teams win because of him" tier?  Bizarre.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Ghost Rider said:
Sure, but that doesn't mean they are always right. 

What's interesting is that Roethlisberger had never won a playoff game following a season in which he didn't have a top 5 defense until last year, and that took an epic meltdown by the Bengals, yet they put him in the "teams win because of him" tier?  Bizarre.
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Regardless of that, his game winning drive from SB XLIII was a thing of beauty and was as much evidence as I would ever need that he has top 3 moxie. 
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pghrob said:
Regardless of that, his game winning drive from SB XLIII was a thing of beauty and was as much evidence as I would ever need that he has top 3 moxie. 
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A drive from eight years ago proves that he is a top 3 QB, or has top 3 moxie, right now?  Interesting. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
and Cam

A drive from eight years ago proves that he is a top 3 QB, or has top 3 moxie, right now?  Interesting. 
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He got as far as Carolina did... the Broncos.

Played a closer game (in Den with no AB, no Bell, no DWill, no Pouncey, no starting LT) and put up more points. Was winning into the 4th.

:yes:

 
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Yep, because losing in the 2nd round is the same as losing in the Super Bowl. 

Oh, and remind me who was the MVP last year...

 
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I will say this, though: no way would Roethlisberger have cowered away from that fumble in the Super Bowl like Newton did. 

 
From Web MD -


Meniscus Repair


A meniscus tear is a common injury to the cartilage that stabilizes and cushions the knee joint. The type of the tear http://www.m.webmd.com/pain-management/meniscus-tearscan determine whether your tear can be repaired. Radial tears sometimes can be repaired, depending on where they are located. Horizontal, flap, long-standing, and degenerative tears-those caused by years of wear and tear-generally cannot be repaired.

Your doctor will likely suggest the treatment that he or she thinks will work best for you based on the zone where the tear is http://www.m.webmd.com/pain-management/meniscus-tears, the pattern of the tear, and how big it is. Your age, your health, and your activity level may also affect your treatment options. In some cases, the surgeon makes the final decision during surgery, when he or she can see the how strong the meniscus is, where the tear is, and how big the tear is.

  • If you have a small tear at the outer edge of the meniscus (in what doctors call the red zone), you may want to try home treatment. These tears often heal with rest.
  • If you have a moderate to large tear at the outer edge of the meniscus (red zone), you may want to think about surgery. These kinds of tears tend to heal well after surgery.
  • If you have a tear that spreads from the red zone into the inner two-thirds of the meniscus (called the white zone), your decision is harder. Surgery to repair these kinds of tears may not work.
  • If you have a tear in the white zone of the meniscus, repair surgery usually isn't done, because the meniscus may not heal. But partial meniscectomy may be done if torn pieces of meniscus are causing pain and swelling.
Surgical repair may be done by open surgery, in which a small incision is made and the knee is opened up so that the surgeon can see inside the knee and the meniscus can be repaired. Increasingly, surgeons use arthroscopic surgery to repair the meniscus. The surgeon inserts a thin tube (arthroscope) containing a camera and a light through small incisions near the knee and is able to see inside the knee without making a large incision. Surgical instruments can be inserted through other small incisions. The surgeon repairs the meniscus using sutures (stitches) or anchors.

Other knee injuries-most commonly to the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL)-may occur at the same time as a torn meniscus. In these cases, the treatment plan is altered. Typically, your orthopedist will repair your torn meniscus, if needed, at the same timeACL surgery is done. In this case, the ACL rehabilitation plan is followed. To learn more, see the topic Anterior Cruciate Ligament (ACL) Injuries.


What To Expect After Surgery


Your surgeon may recommend that you do not move your knee more than absolutely necessary (immobilization) for 2 weeks after surgery. This may be followed by 2 weeks of limited motion before you are able to resume daily activities. Physical therapy should begin right after surgery. But heavy stresses, such as running and squats, should be postponed for some months. You must follow your doctor's rehabilitation (rehab) plan for optimum healing. Afterwards, you may still continue to have pain and require more physical therapy or, sometimes, additional surgery.

The timetable for returning to walking, driving, and more vigorous activities will depend on your success in rehab.

For some exercises you can do at home (with your doctor's approval), see:


 Meniscus Tear: Rehabilitation Exercises.


Why It Is Done


How your doctor treats a meniscus tear http://www.m.webmd.com/pain-management/meniscus-tears depends upon the size and location of the tear, your age, your health and activity level, and when the injury occurred. Treatment options include nonsurgical treatment with rest, ice, compression, elevation, and physical therapy; surgical repair; surgical removal of the torn section (partial meniscectomy); and surgical removal of the entire meniscus (total meniscectomy). In general, surgical repair is favored over partial or total meniscectomy. If the meniscus can be repaired successfully, saving the injured meniscus by doing a meniscal repair-rather than partial or total removal-reduces the occurrence of knee-joint degeneration.

Small tears located at the outer edge of the meniscus often heal on their own. Larger tears located toward the center of the meniscus may not heal well, becauseblood supply to that area is poor. In a young person, surgery to repair the tear may be the first choice, because it may restore function.


How Well It Works


Surgical repair may result in less pain and a return to normal knee function. Also, you may be able to prevent long-term complications (such as osteoarthritis) with successful surgical repair of your tear. The success rate of repair in the red zone is 85%.1

Successful repair of meniscus tears depends to a large degree on where the tear is located. Tears at the outer edge of the meniscus (the red zone) tend to heal well. Blood supply to tears that extend into the center of the meniscus (white zone) is questionable, and surgical repair of a tear in this zone may not heal well.


Risks


Risks of the surgery itself are uncommon but may include:

  • Infection.
  • Damage to nerves or blood vessels around the knee.
  • Blood clots in the leg.
  • Risks due to anesthesia.

What To Think About


If surgical meniscus repair is indicated, the procedure should be done as soon as possible after the injury. But if the tear is in the red zone and you choose to put off a surgery to see if the meniscus tear heals on its own, a later repair may still heal the meniscus properly.

You may be able to prevent long-term complications such as osteoarthritis with successful surgical repair of your tear. Although no long-term studies have proved this, successful meniscus repair may save meniscal cartilage and reduce the stress put on the knee joint, thereby lowering the risk of osteoarthritis.
 
Dr. Chao just tweeted that Ben's knee was not locked so it's a trim and not a repair. Therefore it's a quick recovery of 1-3 weeks.  Bye week in week 8 so week 9 could be his return. Although Dr. Chao stated that in 2008 Philip Rivers played 6 days after a knee scope due to a torn ACL. Week 7 is the Patriots. It is certainly possible he plays, especially since they would be going into the bye. But it looks like anybody with Pitt players dodged a bullet here.

 
Tommy Collins said:
Dr. Chao just tweeted that Ben's knee was not locked so it's a trim and not a repair. Therefore it's a quick recovery of 1-3 weeks.  Bye week in week 8 so week 9 could be his return. Although Dr. Chao stated that in 2008 Philip Rivers played 6 days after a knee scope due to a torn ACL. Week 7 is the Patriots. It is certainly possible he plays, especially since they would be going into the bye. But it looks like anybody with Pitt players dodged a bullet here.
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The dude from the hangover may have just saved my season!

 
Tommy Collins said:
Dr. Chao just tweeted that Ben's knee was not locked so it's a trim and not a repair. Therefore it's a quick recovery of 1-3 weeks.  Bye week in week 8 so week 9 could be his return. Although Dr. Chao stated that in 2008 Philip Rivers played 6 days after a knee scope due to a torn ACL. Week 7 is the Patriots. It is certainly possible he plays, especially since they would be going into the bye. But it looks like anybody with Pitt players dodged a bullet here.
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Absence of locking does not define whether or not it's going to be a "trim" or "repair," completely false information.  Nothing will be known until they get in there with a scope.  Can it just be a trim, yes.  Is that definite, no.

 
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I know he's a great qb and all, but my goodness he misses games seemingly every damn year.  And yet people keep making the mistake of a) drafting him or b) drafting I'm and not drafting a really competent qb2 who can step in WHEN, not if, he misses time.  

Not backing up Big Ben is almost as bad as not drafting dwill when you draft bell

 
rickyg said:
I know he's a great qb and all, but my goodness he misses games seemingly every damn year.  And yet people keep making the mistake of a) drafting him or b) drafting I'm and not drafting a really competent qb2 who can step in WHEN, not if, he misses time.  

Not backing up Big Ben is almost as bad as not drafting dwill when you draft bell
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He typically only misses a game or two and often his injuries arent minor. If anything he should be commended for playing through tough injuries. Hes no Tony Romo.

 
That being said hes definitely overrated in terms of being a reliable fantasy QB. Last year on that great team he played 12 games and through for only 21 TDs and 16 Ints. Hes only thrown for 30 tds twice in his career. This year he already has 16 TDs but two stinkers (both on the road). Unfortunately I dropped by backup (Cousins) for one week due to roster crunch. Just hope I can add him back for the next two weeks. Either that or play Alex Smith who has a great schedule but Im scared they may just run the ball the whole time.

 
shadyridr said:
He typically only misses a game or two and often his injuries arent minor. If anything he should be commended for playing through tough injuries. Hes no Tony Romo.
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Still, a few games miss plus a bye week without your starting qb is a real pain in the #### no?  I would hate it if I were a Big Ben owner rt now.  Not to mention his home/away splits which make owning him even more of a rollercoaster ride.  

I dunno.  I've always stayed away BC of the injury risk.  I've never owned him even once.  I do love his moxy and I think he's awesome, especially at home.  But that injury risk never sat well with me.  

 
rickyg said:
I know he's a great qb and all, but my goodness he misses games seemingly every damn year.  And yet people keep making the mistake of a) drafting him or b) drafting I'm and not drafting a really competent qb2 who can step in WHEN, not if, he misses time.  

Not backing up Big Ben is almost as bad as not drafting dwill when you draft bell
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Prime difference being you can easily grab a startable QB any week off of waivers in most leagues.

 
My friend is a bartender/dealer at Foxwoods and just texted me that Ben is camped out there playing 10k/hand blackjack right now. 

 
So what's the deal here?

Schefter said early Sunday morning he could be out a few more weeks. La Canfora said last night that he's expected to practice and play this week. Someone is way off here.

 
MattFancy said:
So what's the deal here?

Schefter said early Sunday morning he could be out a few more weeks. La Canfora said last night that he's expected to practice and play this week. Someone is way off here.
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This is par for the course when it comes to Ben. I said after his diagnosis he would be back after the bye. Then the Mortensen report came out that he would be out 4-6 weeks and I said, BS, he'll be back after the bye. The reports have been going back and forth for two weeks and I continue to expect them to do so up until Friday when we would know for sure if he is playing or not. Here's my advice, he's playing.

 
And it's going to be cold, possible snow, and 20-30mph winds with possible gusts to 50.  

Because of this I'm starting kirksey at lb to tackle bell 15 times out of 32 touches and I'm benching Ben for luck.   Sticking with AB of course but expectations tempered. Now do I start Crief to stack or stay with Lamar?

 
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