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15 hours ago, travdogg said:

Rudolph was ok until the Browns game. What are the alternatives? They don't pick high enough for Burrow, Tua, or Herbert. I'm not confident any of the other QB's are better than what they already have. What FA QB is signing on to backup Big Ben?

I wouldn't have let Landry Jones leave, personally. Maybe I'm wrong about that. 

Perhaps Rudolph played ok when defenses let him check down to Samuels, and managed to win some games in Joe Flacco fashion. Hes back up quality but a poor one, I don't think I'm alone on that take. With questions surrounding Ben's recovery and age, I think getting a better one should be a priority. 

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10 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

I wouldn't have let Landry Jones leave, personally. Maybe I'm wrong about that. 

Perhaps Rudolph played ok when defenses let him check down to Samuels, and managed to win some games in Joe Flacco fashion. Hes back up quality but a poor one, I don't think I'm alone on that take. With questions surrounding Ben's recovery and age, I think getting a better one should be a priority. 

You certainly aren't alone in that take, but I'll rehash what I posted in the Rudolph thread:

Prior to the Browns game, he had a 4-2 record as a starter, 65% completions, an 11-4 TD/INT ratio, 0 lost fumbles(very rare for a young QB) a 6.6 YPA(which is admittedly low) and not a single game with a passer rating below 80. That was despite having an o-line that took 2 steps back last year, and a very banged up skill position group, that was mostly relying on rookies, or guys who had never started before(Snell, Washington, Johnson)

I still think its entirely possible Rudolph is the QB of the future, but even if he isn't, what is the alternative? They'd be crazy to take a QB with the 1 pick they have in the first 3 rounds, especially since the position will be picked over by then. No FA QB who would be an upgrade from Rudolph is signing as long as the job is backing up Big Ben. Best case is maybe Mariota, who probably isn't an upgrade. I can't see Dalton or Winston, or Bridgewater signing as pure backups.

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13 minutes ago, travdogg said:

You certainly aren't alone in that take, but I'll rehash what I posted in the Rudolph thread:

Prior to the Browns game, he had a 4-2 record as a starter, 65% completions, an 11-4 TD/INT ratio, 0 lost fumbles(very rare for a young QB) a 6.6 YPA(which is admittedly low) and not a single game with a passer rating below 80. That was despite having an o-line that took 2 steps back last year, and a very banged up skill position group, that was mostly relying on rookies, or guys who had never started before(Snell, Washington, Johnson)

I still think its entirely possible Rudolph is the QB of the future, but even if he isn't, what is the alternative? They'd be crazy to take a QB with the 1 pick they have in the first 3 rounds, especially since the position will be picked over by then. No FA QB who would be an upgrade from Rudolph is signing as long as the job is backing up Big Ben. Best case is maybe Mariota, who probably isn't an upgrade. I can't see Dalton or Winston, or Bridgewater signing as pure backups.

Any qb who overwhelmingly targets his rbs will have a good completion percentage. Like I said before, he did pretty bad when defenses didn't let him just check down. I'm reminded of the Bengals game where he completed probably 20 passes to Conner and Samuels, a performance which inflated his stats.

As far as better options, perhaps you're right. But that's not what Colbert is saying.

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On 2/15/2020 at 11:27 AM, cloppbeast said:

Any qb who overwhelmingly targets his rbs will have a good completion percentage. Like I said before, he did pretty bad when defenses didn't let him just check down. I'm reminded of the Bengals game where he completed probably 20 passes to Conner and Samuels, a performance which inflated his stats.

As far as better options, perhaps you're right. But that's not what Colbert is saying.

Aside from the Cleveland and half of the Bengals game Rudolph was doing well enough to post a 4-2 record against a pretty brutal schedule.  Sure he was checking down too much but a lot of rookies do that (I realize he was in his 2nd year but had not played in 2018).  The important thing is he was protecting the ball.

He absolutely was pathetic against Cleveland and was terrible the following week against the Bengals and benching him was 100% the right decision but he looked decent against the Jets in relief of Hodges before being knocked out of the game.   In short Rudolph is never going to be a great starting QB but he's still young and could be a decent backup that can start a game here or there.

If Ben is able to come back 100% then I am fine with Rudolph as the backup.  Sure there are better options in FA but the Steelers really don't have the cash to get them.  I also think any QB they get in the second round is probably not going to be any better than the QBs they already have rostered.   At that point, just go with Rudolph/Hodges/Lynch/Barret, hope for the best in 2020, and look towards the 2021 draft for a QB.

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On Rudolph.

I thought he started solid, for sure had looks of at least a high quality backup. Could see flaws in his game for sure but a high quality backup. Not looking at stats but just my observation after he suffered the brutal hit and concussion against the Ravens I just did not think he was the same. Prior to that game I'd have said his primary weakness was lack of mobility and pocket awareness. I just felt after that game he got very skittish in the pocket and his lack of pocket awareness was exacerbated.

And I just want to say if I call him skittish I don't want to confuse that with saying he's not tough.  That guy took some tremendous shots last year, again in part because of poor pocket awareness. I don't recall an NFL player last year I thought took more punishment.

After watching two weeks of XFL games, or some of it, I continue to assert if we had PJ Walker on our team last year we'd have been in the playoffs.

 

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9 minutes ago, menobrown said:

On Rudolph.

I thought he started solid, for sure had looks of at least a high quality backup. Could see flaws in his game for sure but a high quality backup. Not looking at stats but just my observation after he suffered the brutal hit and concussion against the Ravens I just did not think he was the same. Prior to that game I'd have said his primary weakness was lack of mobility and pocket awareness. I just felt after that game he got very skittish in the pocket and his lack of pocket awareness was exacerbated.

And I just want to say if I call him skittish I don't want to confuse that with saying he's not tough.  That guy took some tremendous shots last year, again in part because of poor pocket awareness. I don't recall an NFL player last year I thought took more punishment.

After watching two weeks of XFL games, or some of it, I continue to assert if we had PJ Walker on our team last year we'd have been in the playoffs.

 

I think if they hadn't switched to Hodges they would have made it. I think Rudolph beats both Buffalo and the Jets. Well, let me rephrase, he doesn't lose those games, which is what Hodges did.

I still really don't get why they went to Hodges in the first place. He had one ok game, where he threw nothing but screens, and the defense beat a disinterested Chargers team by 7. There was no reason to suspect he would be better than Rudolph, and unsurprisingly he wasn't.

Of course, I highly doubt Rudolph would have led the Steelers on the run the Titans had from the wildcard. They likely get held under 10 by NE's D, but perhaps if they beat Buffalo and the Jets, maybe they get the #5 seed, and draw Houston, whom they'd have matched up better with?

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Speaking Monday morning on ESPN's First Take, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin confirmed he expects Ben Roethlisberger (elbow) to be ready for Week 1.

"I have no hesitation," said Tomlin, who also addressed Myles Garrett's assertion that Mason Rudolph used a racial slur in their altercation last year. "This guy is the ultimate competitor. He dropped the gauntlet down. He made the statement he's coming back." Roethlisberger was lost to season-ending elbow surgery early in the 2019 campaign and still isn't "doing anything," according to Tomlin, though the long-tenured Pittsburgh coach fully expects to have Ben in the saddle for Week 1. Even without their star quarterback, the Steelers still finished a respectable 8-8 last season. They should be back in the playoff hunt if Roethlisberger returns to his pre-injury form in 2020.

SOURCE: Brooke Pryor on Twitter

Feb 17, 2020, 11:41 AM ET

 

 

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Ben Roethlisberger (elbow surgery) estimates he is 2-3 months from "full clearance."

Roethlisberger threw Saturday for the first time since going under the knife in September. 2-3 months would have him ready well in advance of training camp. Although he's just eight days shy of his 38th birthday with a lengthy injury history, Roethlisberger's missed games with injury last season were his first since 2016. The Steelers' offense was an abject disaster without him. Perhaps an heir apparent will be drafted, but this is Big Ben's team for the foreseeable future as long as his health cooperates.

SOURCE: Ron Cook on Twitter

Feb 23, 2020, 1:22 PM ET

 

 

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The Steelers posted a video of Ben Roethlisberger (elbow) throwing a football.

Roethlisberger has a massive beard and was gingerly "throwing" this pigskin, but these are signs of life for the veteran quarterback. He appears to be making real progress after a major surgery last season. Both the Steelers' GM and head coach have expressed public optimism regarding Big Ben's Week 1 outlook. Expect Roethlisberger to inch his way towards training camp before surging up his workload right before the season starts. The Steelers should compete for a playoff spot if Roethlisberger plays at a near pre-injury level, especially if the NFL expands the playoffs to seven teams per conference.

SOURCE: Steelers on Twitter

Feb 22, 2020, 3:28 PM ET

 

 

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16 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

He's been at best a backup QB for dynasty leagues for a few years now.

This is wildly inaccurate.

He was the #2 fantasy QB in 2018, his last full year.

I can sort average PPG using my MFL leagues but can only go back to 2014. He's been top 10 every year I can go back. So again, that's top 10 in average PPG from 2018 to 2014.

If someone can look at average PPG I'd venture to guess only years he missed games due to injury is only thing that has kept him from being a top 10 QB in total scoring all the way until probably 2011. In other words in PPG scoring from 2012-2018 he was top 10.

You can say without AB and at his current age he's a backup now, and you may be right, but he's been a QB1 when healthy for 7 straight years until last year when he only played 1.5 games.

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33 minutes ago, menobrown said:

This is wildly inaccurate.

He was the #2 fantasy QB in 2018, his last full year.

I can sort average PPG using my MFL leagues but can only go back to 2014. He's been top 10 every year I can go back. So again, that's top 10 in average PPG from 2018 to 2014.

If someone can look at average PPG I'd venture to guess only years he missed games due to injury is only thing that has kept him from being a top 10 QB in total scoring all the way until probably 2011. In other words in PPG scoring from 2012-2018 he was top 10.

You can say without AB and at his current age he's a backup now, and you may be right, but he's been a QB1 when healthy for 7 straight years until last year when he only played 1.5 games.

I just don't remember ever worrying about Roethlisberger beating me in a title game (say the last few years, not counting 2019).  Perhaps it's more in my head than in reality.

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26 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I just don't remember ever worrying about Roethlisberger beating me in a title game (say the last few years, not counting 2019).  Perhaps it's more in my head than in reality.

I got to admit him being #2 to Mahomes  2018 does admittedly seem hard to believe. I owned him a lot that year and for some reason don't even recall thinking of him being that great that year. But if you faced him that year in week 16 he'd have thrown down 33 on you.

It's easier for me to believe what he's been most of his the last 10 years, a mid to low end QB1. Hard to have the best 5 year stretch for a WR and not be a low end starter.

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15 hours ago, Faust said:

Ben Roethlisberger (elbow surgery) estimates he is 2-3 months from "full clearance."

Giant mother####ing red flag.

ABANDON SHIP, ABANDON SHIP

 

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4 hours ago, tangfoot said:

Giant mother####ing red flag.

ABANDON SHIP, ABANDON SHIP

 

I don't know I thought the video of him throwing a football was a good sign.

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10 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

I don't know I thought the video of him throwing a football was a good sign.

Same, not really concerned about his recovery at all to be honest. Could fall of cliff due to age but that’s another subject.

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22 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

I don't know I thought the video of him throwing a football was a good sign.

I was ready to compare him to Andrew Luck not throwing all in the 1st half of 2019, before I read that he was given the green light to move beyond tennis balls.  Still, I'm not going to be drafting him unless I see full velocity in training camp/preseason.

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Ben Roethlisberger said he's "throwing without pain for the first time in years."

"I have no doubts I’m going to be able to come back and play well — none," Roethlisberger said. "Right now, it’s about 40 throws a day and about 20 yards. Our goal was for me to be 80, 90, 100% by OTAs and minicamp." With offseason activities headed for cancellation due to COVID-19, 38-year-old Roethlisberger has more time than intended to rehab ahead of the team's season opener. As usual with Big Ben, his long-term durability remains a looming question mark for Pittsburgh under center.

SOURCE: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Mar 20, 2020, 12:16 PM ET

 

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Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said the team "fully anticipates" Ben Roethlisberger (elbow) being ready for the season opener.

“As we sit here today, we are extremely confident in his readiness,” Tomlin said during the NFL Network's schedule-release show. “We are enjoying the process that he’s going through right now. Obviously, it’s not without its angst. The guy is coming off a season-ending injury and surgery. But we like where we are. He’s throwing on a rehab schedule, and it’s going well, and we fully anticipate him being ready to go for that opener.” Roethlisberger himself recently noted the plan was to progressively increase his rehab until he's "100% by OTAs and minicamp" in June. As always with the Steelers and Big Ben, the latter's long-term health will be the difference between simply competing in the AFC North and having a legitimate shot at representing the conference in February's Super Bowl.

SOURCE: TribLive.com

May 9, 2020, 2:53 PM ET

 

 

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