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KC is in a pretty good spot here.....they have a guy (DW) who can be the guy......Thompson will have a year under him, and there is still the other Williams and maybe McCoy (probably not).....so KC can let free agency and the draft kind of come to them....there is always some FA depth out there heading into the season, so they can take a sniff in the draft if they see something they like or they can wait....KC would be a solid destination if you are a fringe FA RB.....the line of FA that would like to come to KC (at any position) is going to be pretty long.....its almost like KC could benefit by adding another “Damien Williams” type of back in the way people thought about him before the Chiefs signed him....a guy that is kind of an afterthought elsewhere, but fits the system in KC....

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18 hours ago, jm192 said:

They'll draft someone.  Then Williams will be that annoying vet that won't get out of the rookie's way.  And we'll all be guessing all off-season.

It's possible he just flashed at the right time a la Spencer Ware a few years ago, but it's also possible that Williams finally showed what he can do. He was viewed as having a strong all-around skill set in Miami, and now he's yet another guy to thrive when leaving the Adam Gase system.

The only question appears to be health, in that he still can't seem to be able to hold up over the course of a season. That may indeed pave the way for Thompson, Darrel Williams, or perhaps someone else, if Damien falters.

All I know is that I want a piece of that backfield if it's a reasonable price.

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Damien Williams will never be a full time healthy starter for the Chiefs until someone fixes the spelling of his name in the thread title.

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1 hour ago, ChiefD said:

Damien Williams will never be a full time healthy starter for the Chiefs until someone fixes the spelling of his name in the thread title.

I have never noticed that. Holy cow. Two "l's." Seriously never saw it. Of course, I'm in no position to change anything...

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He's still not that great a runner. SF was playing a lot four rush and almost never had eight in the box, giving him plenty of room to run. 

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4 hours ago, zamboni said:

All I know is that I want a piece of that backfield if it's a reasonable price.

ware should be on your wire.

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6 minutes ago, grateful zed said:

ware should be on your wire.

I think that horse has left the barn, but I do have a theory about Darwin.

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1 hour ago, ChiefD said:

Damien Williams will never be a full time healthy starter for the Chiefs until someone fixes the spelling of his name in the thread title.

Maybe it's his jersey that has his named spelled incorrectly and this thread is right. 😁

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47 minutes ago, rockaction said:

He's still not that great a runner. SF was playing a lot four rush and almost never had eight in the box, giving him plenty of room to run

Isn't that always going to be the case with this offense?

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25 minutes ago, Gally said:

Isn't that always going to be the case with this offense?

Good pooint. Game, set, match with that.

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52 minutes ago, zamboni said:

I think that horse has left the barn, but I do have a theory about Darwin.

nice

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2 hours ago, ChiefD said:

Damien Williams will never be a full time healthy starter for the Chiefs until someone fixes the spelling of his name in the thread title.

yeah, that is a bad omen

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I can see KC drafting a rb in like the 3rd to be 1a1/1b with Williams and Darwin expanding his role a bit as well making it tough to know week to week. 

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I honestly don’t care what happens between now and next August, I will not be drafting a Kansas City running back again

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Chiefs exercised RB Damien Williams' 2020 option.

Williams will make $2.3 million in the final year of his deal. He was limited to just 11 games last season, but Williams was Kansas City's best back when healthy. The Chiefs should still look to upgrade on him, but Williams enters the offseason as the favorite to lead the backfield in touches.

Unless KC drafts a better player with his skillset, I can see him being drafted in the first 3 rounds again... and after he's dropped I'll nab him in FA.

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Chiefs exercised RB Damien Williams' 2020 option.

Williams will make $2.3 million in the final year of his deal. He was limited to just 11 games last season, but Williams was Kansas City's best back when healthy. The Chiefs should still look to upgrade on him, but Williams enters the offseason as the favorite to lead the backfield in touches.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Mar 16, 2020, 8:25 AM ET

 

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dude doesn't have the beastly qualities of a Barkley or something.....but his skill set seems to fit this offense pretty darn good when healthy....and in this offense you can't ignore that....

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Chiefs GM Brett Veach said Damien Williams will remain the starter, but first-round rookie Clyde Edwards-Helaire will "compete for playing time."

“I certainly think it’s going to be a shared load,” Veach said. “Damien has been in this offense for a long time and certainly has shown what he can do on that playoff run. The guy’s a really good pass protector [and] can catch the football. I mean, both these guys can run and catch and certainly Damien will come in as the starting running back and Clyde will have to come in here and compete for playing time, which we think he’ll do. But I think it will be a one-two punch.” No matter how Veach feels, the fact is Williams hasn't handled more than 111 carries and 30 catches at any point in his six-year career. The Fresh Prince of Helaire is fully expected to handle Kansas City's third-down role while Williams splits early down carries, and that workload isn't projected to change barring an immense breakout for either during the league's hypothetical preseason. It's very clear both will share touches unless an injury separates the two mid-year.

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Damien Williams

SOURCE: Pro Football Talk on Twitter

May 1, 2020, 12:01 AM ET

 

 

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1 hour ago, Faust said:

Chiefs GM Brett Veach said Damien Williams will remain the starter, but first-round rookie Clyde Edwards-Helaire will "compete for playing time."

If you can find a guy in your league that BELIEVES this, take whatever you can get for Williams now. 

You don't draft RB's in the first round to sit and "compete for playing time". Unless Williams takes a big pay cut I doubt he's on the final roster in 2020. KC only has ~$3mil in cap space right now and can gain $4.5Mil of cap space by releasing Williams. There are just too many RB's out there willing to play for the vet minimum to backup CEH on a SB team.

It this was a normal offseason where CEH and a new vet would have time to acclimate to the offense the move would already be made imo. RB's fit in quick so I still think the move ultimately gets made unless Williams is willing to take backup money. Maybe an "extension" with lots of funny money on the back end for Williams and his agent to save face. As soon as the round 1 pick was announced the writing was on the wall for Williams no matter what they are saying publicly.

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37 minutes ago, BoltBacker said:

If you can find a guy in your league that BELIEVES this, take whatever you can get for Williams now. 

You don't draft RB's in the first round to sit and "compete for playing time". Unless Williams takes a big pay cut I doubt he's on the final roster in 2020. KC only has ~$3mil in cap space right now and can gain $4.5Mil of cap space by releasing Williams. There are just too many RB's out there willing to play for the vet minimum to backup CEH on a SB team.

It this was a normal offseason where CEH and a new vet would have time to acclimate to the offense the move would already be made imo. RB's fit in quick so I still think the move ultimately gets made unless Williams is willing to take backup money. Maybe an "extension" with lots of funny money on the back end for Williams and his agent to save face. As soon as the round 1 pick was announced the writing was on the wall for Williams no matter what they are saying publicly.

I see a time share, myself.

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3 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

I see a time share, myself.

Williams is dandy in pass pro. That kneecap didn't just heal overnight. Keep the franchise clean until CEH can prove that he belongs out on the field picking up blitzes. It'll be a timeshare at the beginning, at least according to most prognosticators and common sense. Not that arguments against lack common sense. It's just Ockham's razor.

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1 hour ago, BoltBacker said:

If you can find a guy in your league that BELIEVES this, take whatever you can get for Williams now. 

You don't draft RB's in the first round to sit and "compete for playing time". Unless Williams takes a big pay cut I doubt he's on the final roster in 2020. KC only has ~$3mil in cap space right now and can gain $4.5Mil of cap space by releasing Williams. There are just too many RB's out there willing to play for the vet minimum to backup CEH on a SB team.

It this was a normal offseason where CEH and a new vet would have time to acclimate to the offense the move would already be made imo. RB's fit in quick so I still think the move ultimately gets made unless Williams is willing to take backup money. Maybe an "extension" with lots of funny money on the back end for Williams and his agent to save face. As soon as the round 1 pick was announced the writing was on the wall for Williams no matter what they are saying publicly.

Even Adrian Peterson split time as a rookie.

As rockaction points out William's is very good at pass protection. He is going to play.

I still think CEH is the top rookie player because of the situation.

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Posted (edited)

From a dynasty perspective, the talk of Damien (& Kerryon) being the starter or in a true RBBC is essentially coach/GM-speak.

That said, we're in unprecedented times. COVID-19 fallout could definitely hurt rookies, not to mention the general trend of rookies having to earn their way.

However, by mid-season (likely earlier), you'll see CEH, & especially Swift, be off & running (pun intended).

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9 minutes ago, Football Jones said:

However, by mid-season (likely earlier), you'll see CEH, & especially Swift, be off & running (pun intended).

You like Swift's situation? I pushed him way down the board because of competition and coaching style.

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

You like Swift's situation? I pushed him way down the board because of competition and coaching style.

I commented on that in the Swift thread.

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Just now, Football Jones said:

I commented on that in the Swift thread.

Missed it. Will look.

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4 hours ago, BoltBacker said:

If you can find a guy in your league that BELIEVES this, take whatever you can get for Williams now. 

You don't draft RB's in the first round to sit and "compete for playing time". Unless Williams takes a big pay cut I doubt he's on the final roster in 2020. KC only has ~$3mil in cap space right now and can gain $4.5Mil of cap space by releasing Williams. There are just too many RB's out there willing to play for the vet minimum to backup CEH on a SB team.

It this was a normal offseason where CEH and a new vet would have time to acclimate to the offense the move would already be made imo. RB's fit in quick so I still think the move ultimately gets made unless Williams is willing to take backup money. Maybe an "extension" with lots of funny money on the back end for Williams and his agent to save face. As soon as the round 1 pick was announced the writing was on the wall for Williams no matter what they are saying publicly.

CEH will be lead sooner than later. But no reason to get rid of the top  (?) handcuff for pennies on the dollar. 

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Just now, jabarony said:

CEH will be lead sooner than later. But no reason to get rid of the top  (?) handcuff for pennies on the dollar. 

Agreed. I have Damien & will likely keep him.

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Nevermind, I actually had forgot that there was a Damien Wiliams(KC) and a Damien Williams(KC) both on the same team. The RB would only save them a little over $2mil if released NOT $5mil. That's much more reasonable for a RBBC veteran. 

Completely my bad for getting the two different Damien Williams(KC) contracts confused.

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How much of a thorn is he in the side of CEH owners this year?

The GM said Williams would remain the starter.  Obviously, GM speak in May isn't worth a ton.  CEH is a great talent and a perfect fit for the offense.

But I think Williams definitely has a role here.  And he's a good fit for the offense.  He's fast and able to hit the big plays.  He was huge in the playoffs, scoring 6 TD's in 3 games.  I don't think he just goes away this year.  Could he have a 50/50 split this year with CEH taking over full time duties the following year?  

He's a top or the top handcuff.  But he could have solid flex play value if he can get ~10 touches a game in this offense.  

I love CEH, but in terms of redraft--if I'm paying 2nd or 3rd round prices--I'm iffy on it unless we see that he's getting the full or most of the work load.

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1 hour ago, jm192 said:

How much of a thorn is he in the side of CEH owners this year?

The GM said Williams would remain the starter.  Obviously, GM speak in May isn't worth a ton.  CEH is a great talent and a perfect fit for the offense.

But I think Williams definitely has a role here.  And he's a good fit for the offense.  He's fast and able to hit the big plays.  He was huge in the playoffs, scoring 6 TD's in 3 games.  I don't think he just goes away this year.  Could he have a 50/50 split this year with CEH taking over full time duties the following year?  

He's a top or the top handcuff.  But he could have solid flex play value if he can get ~10 touches a game in this offense.  

I love CEH, but in terms of redraft--if I'm paying 2nd or 3rd round prices--I'm iffy on it unless we see that he's getting the full or most of the work load.

He'll be injured before fantasy playoffs so it's not too much of a problem.

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