ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sanu will be a decent play but if people are expecting huge number, I think you are going to be disappointed. Where do you think coverage will be shifted with Green out??
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Digitallinh
Footballguy
In a 12 team standard 4 player keeper league, I just traded AJ Green straight for Antonio Brown to a team that's pretty much out of it, I think I did well with what the situation is if he misses multiple games.
I will end up with : AP, Ellington, Brown, and Kelvin Benjamin going into 2015.
I will end up with : AP, Ellington, Brown, and Kelvin Benjamin going into 2015.
ratbast
Footballguy
So he actually thinks he got a better WR by buying the broken one? Lame trade. Brown will be ranked higher next year.
He probably thinks Green will be more valuable going into next year. It's hard to say he's wrong, necessarily. Green was WR4 the last two years in a row and WR14 as a rookie. That is an excellent track record of production.
Antonio's best season was WR24 until last season when he was WR7. It's not out of line to believe Green has a better chance at top level production into the future, is it?
DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
In week 2 this season, Green got hurt very early in the game. He didn't even show up in the stat sheet. Gio's numbers that day:
27 rushes, 90 yards, 1 TD
5 catches, 79 yards, 0 TD
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Hill had pretty good numbers as well. I'd feel more comfortable playing either RB before one of the other WRs.Raider Nation said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
True, but I can see it hinder bothDaveGrumbles said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
There is quite a difference between a player like Green getting hurt during a game, and teams having a week or more to gameplan knowing Green won't be there.Raider Nation said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am gonna go out on a limb and say gameplanning is just slightly more complex than that. I mean, I know it sounds crazy and all. PLus this is no longer week two, teams have more games to look at as well.Raider Nation said:
But yeah, I would bet pretty much anything that any D coordinator in the history of football would tell you that there is a difference.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Agreed. Maybe in his own personal rankings he prefers Brown, but he will be about 1 out of every 100 people in that regard.
Digitallinh
Footballguy
I certainly prefer Green long-term. This might be Brown's career year, and sure the TDs will regress. I'm just 3-2 right now in a competitive league (it's standard 3 WR, 2 RB, 2 flex, 21 roster spots and I lost AP), middling/top in points and felt the need to make this move. Must-win time, and Brown isn't a big downgrade longterm imo. If Green is top 3, Brown is probably in the top 10.
This sucks for Green though, I enjoyed owning him these years, Sanu has already been productive. Should be picked up. I think without having to double AJ Green, teams will just blitz more often -- especially if you have a good defense, instead of shift coverage from this guy to that guy.
or at least it gives them the option to blitz more, you can also stack the box.
This sucks for Green though, I enjoyed owning him these years, Sanu has already been productive. Should be picked up. I think without having to double AJ Green, teams will just blitz more often -- especially if you have a good defense, instead of shift coverage from this guy to that guy.
or at least it gives them the option to blitz more, you can also stack the box.
Not sure why RN deleted his posts, but I agree with the ghost. In game adjustments happen, but I don't think Sanu will thrive and pick up AJ's numbers and I wouldn't say that Gio would be unaffected and do better than normal. Sanu is doing well on his own, but with no Jones back yet and no Green, he will get the best DB instead of getting the advantage of having Green get the best DB/safety help.
The Gio numbers in week 2 are useless less because of the Atlanta run D. Even if they tried to make an adjustment, their run D is atrocious. Also, Gio didn't do that well running. He was 27-90 or just over 3ypc. He got a ton of volume, but was largely ineffective against the worst run D.
If I am the DC, I cover Sanu with my best guy, put an extra guy in the box and let anyone else try and beat me. There isn't much left.
The Gio numbers in week 2 are useless less because of the Atlanta run D. Even if they tried to make an adjustment, their run D is atrocious. Also, Gio didn't do that well running. He was 27-90 or just over 3ypc. He got a ton of volume, but was largely ineffective against the worst run D.
If I am the DC, I cover Sanu with my best guy, put an extra guy in the box and let anyone else try and beat me. There isn't much left.
Peak
Footballguy
I agree - I don't see that much from Cincy right now with all the injuries. If they try to make Dalton beat them through the air, then Cincy fans will be in for a long day. Contain Gio and the run game, and this game should be done early.
shader
Footballguy
I'm not liking this recipe for Cincy. The loss of Marvin Jones has been huge, then they lose Eifert in game 1. Gresham has been horrible so far this year and is going to have to step it up. Their problem is that they simply don't have depth at WR. Sanzenbacher and Tate are horrible wr's. With all the wr's in the draft, you would have thought they would have made a play for one of them, to replace the loss of Hawkins.
This team needs to unleash Jeremy Hill in a big way. Gio is their only real playmaker and it makes no sense to tire him out by running him 20-25 times, especially in this upcoming game. I'd really like to see Hill and Gio on the field at the same time. Gio needs to move to a quasi-slot role for a good portion of the time. They have to think creatively or their offense is going to grind to a halt.
It's a shame this is happening, as Dalton is playing as good as he ever has. Seeing the field well and making good decisions. He just hasn't had a full deck to work with.
This team needs to unleash Jeremy Hill in a big way. Gio is their only real playmaker and it makes no sense to tire him out by running him 20-25 times, especially in this upcoming game. I'd really like to see Hill and Gio on the field at the same time. Gio needs to move to a quasi-slot role for a good portion of the time. They have to think creatively or their offense is going to grind to a halt.
It's a shame this is happening, as Dalton is playing as good as he ever has. Seeing the field well and making good decisions. He just hasn't had a full deck to work with.
I think it's highly unlikely that this game is "done early", especially in Carolina's favor.
Timmay
Footballguy
This has been a rough week for Bengals fans like myself. With the brutal showing on Sunday night football and now this injury to our top playmaker. We desperately need to get Marvin Jones back, I don't trust Tate or Sanzenbacher. I'm not saying that Gio is going to have better numbers while Green is out due to me thinking that opposing teams are going to focus on stopping the run game and gio in general, but I do think now we are going to see a spike in screen plays to Gio and Sanu a lot more to get them out in space and have them create. Hopefully this will keep Gio's fantasy numbers up.
I'm 2-3 but I'm thinking I'm going to hold on to Green. I have Cobb, Hopkins, T-Will and Torrey Smith behind him. I'd rather they sit Green for 2 or 3 weeks than have them do what the Bears did with Marshall, and have him put up single digits points each week.
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
2-3, same as you. Sold AJ Green and Spiller for Leveon Bell to another 2-3 team. It's a PPR 2 player keeper though so I think the other player did it just to get AJ as a future keeper since he doesn't think he wins this year.
IgglesFan
Footballguy
You don't think Gio getting to feast on ATL in Week 2 had a lot to do with those numbers? Something tells me a tougher Panthers defense, and a few days to really game plan versus adjusting on the fly, may alter Gio's results a bit.Raider Nation said:
I also doubt the Bengals want GIo to have 32 touches, as he did in Week 2.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Of course. Just pointing out that Gio benefited with an increased workload. Also, the Panthers are quietly #23 in the NFL in total defense and #23 in the NFL in rush defense. Bernard should still have some nice combined numbers Sunday.
golfguy
Footballguy
people said the same thing about brown after last year as well. AJG has been dinged up with a lot of minor things and seems to miss time without playing through them.
maclin, sanders, kelvin should be reasonably obtainable and a nice upgrade. or hilton, hopkins, harvin, djax, wallce + a solid rb.
Braktastic
Footballguy
Andrew74
Footballguy
I show he's played 15, 16, 16 games prior to this year.
Digitallinh
Footballguy
While that is true, I can recall at least 3 games through those years where he was injured but playing as an unproductive decoy, there are sure to be more.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Just like every other player ever. Are we saying green is injury prone or something?
Gopher State
Footballguy
Sounds like a good week to bump the big G and Hill. Cinni will turn to the running game against a weak cat run defense
Digitallinh
Footballguy
lol, of course not. They're all shades of the same truth. AJ Green isn't "injury prone" but AJ Green also isn't iron-man.
Either way, Antonio Brown might be the best I could have gotten for him 1 hr after he got carted off the field.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I cant fault someone too much for dealing green for brown in a dynasty right now but i see no way green isnt ranked and worth a lot higher than brown in the offseason.
Digitallinh
Footballguy
They're both the same age, I really anticipate similar yardage and a 4-5 TD deficit for Brown through their careers.
30 points a year is a lot, it basically drops you from the truly elite WR, into that no-mans land anywhere from ~7-16. I feel I can compete this year, and it's a 11 years running 250$ keeper league where everyone knows each other, can't go out like this.. haha
How my season has been going -- AP, Ellington, Moreno, AJ Green, Decker, I wouldn't be surprised if Antonio Brown is injured next week...
Good luck to all you Green owners out there, if you're in a keeper league, I'd only get Julio, Brown and maybe DT in return. If not, that list someone posted above isn't bad. I'd personally go for Benjamin + value if you could.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
seems like a solid #2 WR could be traded in return
Yeah at 4-1 I'd stay put. I'm 2-3 and have good depth at WR (Green, Cobb, Michael Floyd, Hopkins, T Will, and TSmith), so I could stay put, but I don't fully trust Hopkins/TWill/Smith and I start 3 WR.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
was offered Alfred Morris for him...said im gonna wait a bit and see how this plays out...hope i didnt miss the bus and get ''something'' for him
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Today was the trade deadline in my PPR league so there was a bit of pressure to make a deal. I sent Green/Miller/Hill for Harvin/Rashad Jennings/Andre Williams. Not a slam dunk deal, but I think it's a good one given the fact that I needed help at RB anyway (Miller and Vereen were my top two guys).
