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You can get yourself in a tizzy over whatever logic you want. The results are what they are. Green is being drafted after the elite WRs in round 2, pick 20 overall. Actual people drafting are making this choice, weather you like it or not. The discussion was why. It seems people are holding onto last years injury riddled results and his QB.
Sounds great but keep in mind it plays both ways: the consensus picks ARE that he is going in that range but that means the consensus is also that A LOT of people think he is simply the 8-10th best WR option, which means that people drafting after you in the first are getting better WRS (Brown/Julio, Thomas, etc.)
No way in hell do I take Jeffrey, Hilton, or Evans over AJ Green. Bryant, Brown, Thomas, Calvin, and Julio...yes. For me, Green is in a tier with ODB and Cobb.
All may be true.
These are just examples and we could exchange those names with Watkins and a handful of others. But your preference is Green. THat's cool. Just saying A LOT of people don't see it that way and it's not unreasonable. Any of the guys I mentioned could beat Green easily this year. Luck bombing to Hilton all year long. Jeffrey is the one man show in Chicago. Evans is a beast in the making. Everyone on that list with the exception of Evans has a superior QB throwing to them. The Bengals are one of the few teams on that list that care about a run game and have TWO really good RBs. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Evans catch 12-14 Tds and the Bengals run a lot this year, play great defense, reward their RBs, and Green end up with 9 Tds.
I can definitely see it both ways and I wouldn't argue anyone taking any of those guys in any order. Again, its preference.
Yes. Absolutely.If he slacks off and stinks up the place in a contract year, you think they'll pay him big for being awesome in previous years?When you want to make more money. Yes.I thought playing for a contract was good for fantasy, and players that just recently got paid the big bucks might be ever so slightly less inclined to put 100% effort in.
Anyway, I'm glad his ADP is down to where I might get him as my WR 2 In the middle of the second round.
But AJ Green is going to get paid based on what he has already done (i.e. he is already sitting at a max amount). Sans an unfortunate injury.
How many WR's have had 2,000 yards receiving? The answer is none If AJ Green had 1600 yards receiving, that would be one of the top 20 receiving years of all time. 1500 is in the top 40 seasons of all time. So yeah, I'm hoping for 1500 yards and 10 and that will be enough to put him in top 5 discussion. Only 4 guys topped 1500 yards last year. Only 1 did it in 2013 (2 came close Antonio Brown missed by 1 yard and Calvin Johnson by 8). In 2012, only 3 players did it and Calvin crushed it with 1964 yards and the record for most in a season.Agreed that Dalton is an issue if you're drafting Green hoping for a 125/2000/20 season. Of course, if you're hoping for more along the lines of 100/1500/10, Dalton has shown on every recent occasion that he can help Green get there quite consistently.
As to why FF experts around the world are devaluing Green this year? Uncertainty.
Last year, the first under OC Hue Jackson, AND without Green, they only threw for about 3400 yards. Obviously, a similar gameplan and similar results would cap the hell out of Green's potential. Now, of course, Green IS back as the best weapon in the passing game. And lots of other good passing game weapons are healthy now, too. AND Jackson has stated openly his intention to change the dynamics of the attack. But still, that leaves a lot of uncertainty with regards to HOW they're going to play, and renders Green's historical performances a lot foggier with regards to their relevance.
Seems to me the sane thing to do is stick him in that tier with all the other great, proven receivers...but default him to the end of it. Which, not coincidentally, is pretty much exactly where he's showing up, both in every set of expert rankings, and in drafts.
I don't think the FF community at large really nails it all that often. But this seems like a case where they did.
Way to snag the point, Socrates.How many WR's have had 2,000 yards receiving? The answer is none If AJ Green had 1600 yards receiving, that would be one of the top 20 receiving years of all time. 1500 is in the top 40 seasons of all time. So yeah, I'm hoping for 1500 yards and 10 and that will be enough to put him in top 5 discussion. Only 4 guys topped 1500 yards last year. Only 1 did it in 2013 (2 came close Antonio Brown missed by 1 yard and Calvin Johnson by 8). In 2012, only 3 players did it and Calvin crushed it with 1964 yards and the record for most in a season.Agreed that Dalton is an issue if you're drafting Green hoping for a 125/2000/20 season. Of course, if you're hoping for more along the lines of 100/1500/10, Dalton has shown on every recent occasion that he can help Green get there quite consistently.
As to why FF experts around the world are devaluing Green this year? Uncertainty.
Last year, the first under OC Hue Jackson, AND without Green, they only threw for about 3400 yards. Obviously, a similar gameplan and similar results would cap the hell out of Green's potential. Now, of course, Green IS back as the best weapon in the passing game. And lots of other good passing game weapons are healthy now, too. AND Jackson has stated openly his intention to change the dynamics of the attack. But still, that leaves a lot of uncertainty with regards to HOW they're going to play, and renders Green's historical performances a lot foggier with regards to their relevance.
Seems to me the sane thing to do is stick him in that tier with all the other great, proven receivers...but default him to the end of it. Which, not coincidentally, is pretty much exactly where he's showing up, both in every set of expert rankings, and in drafts.
I don't think the FF community at large really nails it all that often. But this seems like a case where they did.
So I'll take those mediocre numbers of 1500 yards....
Those guys' situations aren't anything like Randall Cobb's. Alshon has nothing even remotely resembling that level of QB, TY Hilton had a bunch of potentially diluting weapons ADDED, not removed by injury, and Evans has a little bit of both of those situations facing him.
Yesterday PFT reported they weren't close because he wanted Julio money & they'd slap the franchise tag on him next year. Now they've got him under control for 5 years at virtually the same price as Jones (71.25 v 70.176)
I'm assuming it's Gilmore covering him well but haven't seen the game
Exactly what I was thinking.
Uh yeah meant to say almost had Julio. Sorry--it's late.If the guy before you took Julio, you couldn't have had him.
I acquired AJ thinking he'd be a no brain #2 next to J. Jones every week.
Which makes sense. Teams are waking up to the fact that funneling the whole offense through one receiver makes an offense easy to slow down. In addition to that Dalton is developing as a QB and doesn't "need" to force it to Green every play.
I drafted the both as rookies thinking I would have a pretty solid tandem for years to come. The only problem is I play in a salary/contract league. Max length of contracts is 3 years. I was made a solid offer for one of the two. I chose to keep AJ Green and move Julio for Antonio Brown and some other nice commodities as I was not going to be able to keep them both long term. In the short term, it worked well as Julio went on the IR not long after the trade. But now, I'd rather have Julio.
Maybe I have a simplistic view when it comes to offensive football, but I've watched Cincy a few times this year. Every game, Gio looks better than Hill by a large margin (I own 2 shares of Hill, 1 of Gio, so this observation is strictly football), and Green looks like a more reliable target than Jones. Yet, Hill and Gio are still splitting carries pretty evenly, and Jones has had equal or more targets than Green in 4 of the last 5, and 5 of the 9 games so far this year. Just strikes me as odd. Granted, they are winning, so it apparently is working... but that doesn't change the fact that it seems like they artificially are limiting their best players.
I have the same concern.With him facing Patterson next week, I'm thinking of benching for Watkins.
I'm guessing it depends on who you have in your lineup but IMO Green needs to be in your lineup every week. The guy is a elite receiver, but the CIN game plan isn't based on him which isn't his fault. By years end he will end up in the top 10 WRs I have complete confidence.
Yeah, and if you're fighting for a playoff spot or bye, tough time to sit him. I have red matchups all over my roster, including 5 out of 6 WRs.
