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CBS:

LeSean McCoy doesn't think he's struggling
by Larry Hartstein | CBSSports.com
(3 hrs ago) Although he's averaging 2.9 yards per carry, Eagles running back LeSean McCoy disputes the notion that he's struggling.

"I don't think I'm struggling at all," McCoy told CSNPhilly.com. "I don't know what you mean by that. I don't think I'm struggling, at all. So I don't know what you mean by that."

McCoy is running behind a makeshift offensive line. After gaining 22 yards on 19 carries against the Redskins, McCoy did not make excuses.

"We didn't get it done today on the ground," McCoy said. "Simple as that."

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I am concerned but there a lot of football games yet. It is a tough year for RBs in FF.

It looks like McCoy is trying too hard rather than just playing the game.

Maybe they should try a regular running play rather than hand him the ball 20 times from the shotgun with zero momentum with defenders right in his face. Dude neeeds to make a nice run just to get back to the LOS. A draw works once in a while not every carry

they ran 90+ percent of their plays out of shotgun last year when he lead the league in rushing

Yea, there's no way any team in the league used the shotgun 90% of the time. This isn't college.

If you're going to make outrageous claims like that, back them up.

This is either schtick or you don't watch the Eagles. Shotgun is all they run.

It doesn't say they use shotgun 90% of the time. It says they use shotgun on 90% of his dropbacks. Which means virtually whenever he is under center they are running the ball. That's ridiculously easy to game plan against. No wonder he's having trouble running the ball. Either Foles is under center and it's telegraphed or McCoy has to start with the ball 5 yards deep every time. That might work when you have an all-pro offensive line but not with the patchwork they have going on at the moment.

They probably run it so much because it's a lot easier for a rookie QB than being under center. If the Eagles want to sell the running game they are going to have to take the kiddie gloves off at some point and run a pro offense. Having 90% of the pass plays from shotgun is not conducive to long-term success in the NFL. Even Manning, the least mobile and best mind in the game (whom can get away with running shotgun at a higher rate), only has 80% of his passes from the shotgun.

Eagles line up in shot gun for running and passing plays for the majority of their plays. Most runs are out of the shot gun. They run and pass out of all formations. In fact, Foles runs/passes based on the defense.

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I am concerned but there a lot of football games yet. It is a tough year for RBs in FF.

It looks like McCoy is trying too hard rather than just playing the game.

Maybe they should try a regular running play rather than hand him the ball 20 times from the shotgun with zero momentum with defenders right in his face. Dude neeeds to make a nice run just to get back to the LOS. A draw works once in a while not every carry

they ran 90+ percent of their plays out of shotgun last year when he lead the league in rushing

Yea, there's no way any team in the league used the shotgun 90% of the time. This isn't college.

If you're going to make outrageous claims like that, back them up.

This is either schtick or you don't watch the Eagles. Shotgun is all they run.

It doesn't say they use shotgun 90% of the time. It says they use shotgun on 90% of his dropbacks. Which means virtually whenever he is under center they are running the ball. That's ridiculously easy to game plan against. No wonder he's having trouble running the ball. Either Foles is under center and it's telegraphed or McCoy has to start with the ball 5 yards deep every time. That might work when you have an all-pro offensive line but not with the patchwork they have going on at the moment.

They probably run it so much because it's a lot easier for a rookie QB than being under center. If the Eagles want to sell the running game they are going to have to take the kiddie gloves off at some point and run a pro offense. Having 90% of the pass plays from shotgun is not conducive to long-term success in the NFL. Even Manning, the least mobile and best mind in the game (whom can get away with running shotgun at a higher rate), only has 80% of his passes from the shotgun.

i am not sure i fully understand your response, it sounds like the calls from last year saying there is no way the Chip Kelly offense will work in the NFL. Here is another source (Eagles website) saying they ran shotgun on 86% of their plays last year. Also, Foles is a 3rd year QB?

My whole point is they lead the league in rushing and yards per attempt last year as a team, running almost exclusively shotgun. Maybe losing 5 offensive linemen is a bigger factor?

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They probably run it so much because it's a lot easier for a rookie QB than being under center. If the Eagles want to sell the running game they are going to have to take the kiddie gloves off at some point and run a pro offense. Having 90% of the pass plays from shotgun is not conducive to long-term success in the NFL. Even Manning, the least mobile and best mind in the game (whom can get away with running shotgun at a higher rate), only has 80% of his passes from the shotgun.

And why would Kelly want to change what they're doing? They're 3-0 with one of the best offenses in the league - and they're the most fun to watch. It ain't broke.

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They probably run it so much because it's a lot easier for a rookie QB than being under center. If the Eagles want to sell the running game they are going to have to take the kiddie gloves off at some point and run a pro offense. Having 90% of the pass plays from shotgun is not conducive to long-term success in the NFL. Even Manning, the least mobile and best mind in the game (whom can get away with running shotgun at a higher rate), only has 80% of his passes from the shotgun.

And why would Kelly want to change what they're doing? They're 3-0 with one of the best offenses in the league - and they're the most fun to watch. It ain't broke.

Let's be real here ... they've played JAX, IND, and WAS. Those are two bottom feeders and one 2-14 roster than has an elite QB carrying them to 10 wins.

You can get away with running shotgun that much when you have an utterly dominate offensive line that blocks out the sun regardless of run or pass. But I think running shotgun 86% of the time with a crappy offensive line is going to be exploitable against any top 10 defense.

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They probably run it so much because it's a lot easier for a rookie QB than being under center. If the Eagles want to sell the running game they are going to have to take the kiddie gloves off at some point and run a pro offense. Having 90% of the pass plays from shotgun is not conducive to long-term success in the NFL. Even Manning, the least mobile and best mind in the game (whom can get away with running shotgun at a higher rate), only has 80% of his passes from the shotgun.

And why would Kelly want to change what they're doing? They're 3-0 with one of the best offenses in the league - and they're the most fun to watch. It ain't broke.

Let's be real here ... they've played JAX, IND, and WAS. Those are two bottom feeders and one 2-14 roster than has an elite QB carrying them to 10 wins.

You can get away with running shotgun that much when you have an utterly dominate offensive line that blocks out the sun regardless of run or pass. But I think running shotgun 86% of the time with a crappy offensive line is going to be exploitable against any top 10 defense.

:shrug: worked last year. When it stops working I'll trust Kelly to make a change.

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I'm sure it's a mistake, but McCoy has an O designation next to his name on yahoos site.

I don't know where they pull their injury designations from.

Likely nothing to see here, but it would require me to go grab a free agent pretty quickly if there is any news on McCoy that we don't know about.

Nothing to see here right? Still listed as "out" on yahoo rosters.

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Doesn't seem like he's running as hard as he was last year to me. If I owned him I'd be looking to sell. You can still get a big time haul for him right now. Maybe wait till he has a good game and let your league know he's available.

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I'm sure it's a mistake, but McCoy has an O designation next to his name on yahoos site.

I don't know where they pull their injury designations from.

Likely nothing to see here, but it would require me to go grab a free agent pretty quickly if there is any news on McCoy that we don't know about.

Nothing to see here right? Still listed as "out" on yahoo rosters.

I'm sure there's more up to date info, but this is the best I could find right now. Note this is from yesterday. Hopefully we'll get some news from today's practice.

The good news for the Eagles was that running back LeSean McCoy was out on the field despite taking a helmet-to-helmet hit in the team's win over the Redskins.

McCoy was tested for a concussion during the game and passed, but there was some thought that he might be given a day off to rest.

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I'm sure it's a mistake, but McCoy has an O designation next to his name on yahoos site.

I don't know where they pull their injury designations from.

Likely nothing to see here, but it would require me to go grab a free agent pretty quickly if there is any news on McCoy that we don't know about.

Nothing to see here right? Still listed as "out" on yahoo rosters.

I'm sure there's more up to date info, but this is the best I could find right now. Note this is from yesterday. Hopefully we'll get some news from today's practice.

The good news for the Eagles was that running back LeSean McCoy was out on the field despite taking a helmet-to-helmet hit in the team's win over the Redskins.

McCoy was tested for a concussion during the game and passed, but there was some thought that he might be given a day off to rest.

Eagles first injury report for week 4 has no mention of McCoy:

Philadelphia Eagles Injury Report (Wednesday)

OUT

C Jason Kelce (hernia)

Did Not Practice

ILB Mychal Kendricks (calf)

Limited Participation

DE Fletcher Cox (back)

Full Participation

DE Brandon Bair (foot)

CB Brandon Boykin (hip)

TE James Casey (knee)

WR Josh Huff (shoulder)

WR Jordan Matthews (oblique)

WR Brad Smith (groin)

OG Matt Tobin (ankle)

CB Jaylen Watkins (hamstring)

S Earl Wolff (knee)

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With the mess that is ADP, Charles' injury, Lacy and Forte's seemingly as bad starts, I'm not ready to panic. A few more bad weeks and I probably will, but right now I'm hoping he gets it going. A bad injury or off the field issues would be worse at this point.

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I'm holding, hoping Shady can cobble together a top 12'ish season. I have zero hopes for top 3 as I did preseason. Got a couple lowball trade offers, so it's not worth it to me to move him at this point.

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Was looking up some infor regarding the Philly O-line and ran into this article. Looks like Chip is switching a few things up. This and the return of Lane Johnson next week should make things better, I hope :confused: :

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20140924_Eagles_Notebook__Eagles_set_revamped_O-line.html

IF YESTERDAY'S practice was any indication - and the players involved assumed it was - the Eagles' starting offensive line Sunday at San Francisco will feature Jason Peters at left tackle, Matt Tobin at left guard, Dave Molk at center, Dennis Kelly at right guard and Todd Herremans at right tackle.

Tobin is the newcomer, having just recovered from a high ankle sprain he suffered in the preseason finale. This would be his first NFL start; he was active for just one game in 2013 after making the team as an undrafted rookie from Iowa. Moving Herremans out to tackle, where he has played before, probably upgrades that position after Andrew Gardner's struggles against Washington, and it allows the three guys who were the interior of a smooth-functioning second-team o-line in the preseason to work together, in their exact preseason spots. Kelly has started at left guard the last two games, since Evan Mathis went down with an MCL sprain.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20140924_Eagles_Notebook__Eagles_set_revamped_O-line.html#tVGhlpKZixeR8J7i.99

It's all about Shady following Lane Johnson. We'll have to wait another week to get a view. The rest of the line is worrisome though. LeSean will get his, but I can't see him being uber elite like last year. It will get better.

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Wow, I cant believe how many are ready to write off Shady. No way I take Bell or Murray over him. I like Bell, but he is nowhere near the talent Shady is. While Murray is very talented, he tends to get dinged up with a big workload.

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Wow, I cant believe how many are ready to write off Shady. No way I take Bell or Murray over him. I like Bell, but he is nowhere near the talent Shady is. While Murray is very talented, he tends to get dinged up with a big workload.

I'll take a guy with 90% of McCoy's talent/athleticism and running behind one of the best offensive lines in the league over McCoy and the crap oline they are trotting out there right now. Some of the best fantasy RBs ever were a result of solid schemes with road-grading all-pro offensive lineman. You could clock Emmitt Smith's 40-time on a sundial but he's the league's all-time rusher because he A) stayed healthy and B) played with one of the best all time offensive lines for nearly a decade.

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I guess not having 3 of the 5 starters on his line isn't an issue.

Think people. Think. He didn't suddenly become a bad back.

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Wow, I cant believe how many are ready to write off Shady. No way I take Bell or Murray over him. I like Bell, but he is nowhere near the talent Shady is. While Murray is very talented, he tends to get dinged up with a big workload.

I'll take a guy with 90% of McCoy's talent/athleticism and running behind one of the best offensive lines in the league over McCoy and the crap oline they are trotting out there right now. Some of the best fantasy RBs ever were a result of solid schemes with road-grading all-pro offensive lineman. You could clock Emmitt Smith's 40-time on a sundial but he's the league's all-time rusher because he A) stayed healthy and B) played with one of the best all time offensive lines for nearly a decade.

I get your point, but we're 3 weeks into the season. McCoy is much more talented than either Bell or Murray. I'd still rather have him over those two. We'll see how it works out.

You're over-simplifying Emmitt. The common belief is that he had this crazy line and he just ran through huge holes and didn't get touched.....Not true at all. Watch the film. He broke tons of tackles, had great vision, quickness. He ran with a smoothness that was deceptive. I think he made that line better. He took a BEATING, and it showed later in his career. But, if you watch the tape from his first several years you'd see how talented he really was.

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They probably run it so much because it's a lot easier for a rookie QB than being under center. If the Eagles want to sell the running game they are going to have to take the kiddie gloves off at some point and run a pro offense. Having 90% of the pass plays from shotgun is not conducive to long-term success in the NFL. Even Manning, the least mobile and best mind in the game (whom can get away with running shotgun at a higher rate), only has 80% of his passes from the shotgun.

And why would Kelly want to change what they're doing? They're 3-0 with one of the best offenses in the league - and they're the most fun to watch. It ain't broke.

Good point. The way we are all crying around here you would think the Eagles are 0-3 and losing by 14 every week.

The real life NFL coaches probably aren't as concerned about this as we are...unfortunately.

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I think McCoy and Lacy owners everywhere should trade and change luck.

And if you have them both??

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The Eagles might be 3-0, but Kelly doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who lets record prevent him from making changes when something isn't working. The running game clearly wasn't working vs. Washington, and I'm sure he's very concerned about that.

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The Eagles might be 3-0, but Kelly doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who lets record prevent him from making changes when something isn't working. The running game clearly wasn't working vs. Washington, and I'm sure he's very concerned about that.

Good point. ANd a good sign of a good coach if true about Kelly.

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To me its simple, McCoy is prolly the most shifty back in the NFL. He's also been a consistent FF producer. I think he'll overcome the O-line problems and be a top 5 FF producer.

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I think McCoy and Lacy owners everywhere should trade and change luck.

And if you have them both??

I'll cop to actually doing this. I just traded McCoy for Lacy+Khiry (have ingram so khiry/ingram is my solid #2 slot). This is non-PPR.

McCoy is the better value but it was also about diversifying... have quite a few shares of McCoy this year and none of Lacy. With Lacy's toughest three matchups behind him I'm on board for a turn around. McCoy meanwhile has had his two easiest matchups already in weeks 1 and 2, and a below average rest of the season lined up, including a date with WAS again in the fantasy playoffs.

It could backfire spectacularly, but even if it does, that means I'll probably win the other few leagues where I still have McCoy.

I don't think the injury concerns for either warrant discussion. Lacy's had concussion issues but McCoy has gotten knocked out of two games out of three (before coming back into both of them).

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Thought about trying to trade him this past week.

Now his value has tanked considerably ... have to hold him and hope for the best

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He won't ever hit the line of scrimmage without dancing for a few seconds first. :pickle:

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I think McCoy and Lacy owners everywhere should trade and change luck.

And if you have them both??

I'll cop to actually doing this. I just traded McCoy for Lacy+Khiry (have ingram so khiry/ingram is my solid #2 slot). This is non-PPR.

McCoy is the better value but it was also about diversifying... have quite a few shares of McCoy this year and none of Lacy. With Lacy's toughest three matchups behind him I'm on board for a turn around. McCoy meanwhile has had his two easiest matchups already in weeks 1 and 2, and a below average rest of the season lined up, including a date with WAS again in the fantasy playoffs.

It could backfire spectacularly, but even if it does, that means I'll probably win the other few leagues where I still have McCoy.

I don't think the injury concerns for either warrant discussion. Lacy's had concussion issues but McCoy has gotten knocked out of two games out of three (before coming back into both of them).

Yahtzee! Lacy didn't look great but this trade at least is looking pretty dang good so far...

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Extremely concerned, also :hot:

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