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9 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

He got off easy do to the DA. Everyone involved who was witness to it said Shady's crew was in the wrong. Our system in Philly is a joke sometimes which is why Meek Mill is even off. Even if the cop was dirty who arrested him he did have an illegal gun on him and admitted to the cop at the time it wasn't registered. Former Eagle DT Hollis Thomas said he had a friend who texted him that witnessed the whole thing from start to finish. PPD even interviewed him and I think they had the guy on the radio show here locally. Shady was in the absolute wrong assaulting the two cops. People were pretty mad he hadn't been jailed for it. The DA said he couldn't prove who started it and he even said if Shady acted in self defense for himself or others then he couldn't be charged. However multiple witnesses said he was taking liberties on the two off duty cops going Stone Cold Mudhole stomping on them with his boys. There was also no video footage to prove either side as well. 

The officers in question have an open civil suit claiming that the bar is responsible in addition to shady and crew. Alleging they over served him and it contributed to the nights events. So, we will see how that plays out I guess.

The point remains, you don't just get to beat LEOs and get away with it. Lesean McCoy is not at that level of celebrity. Whether he was in the right or wrong there, you shouldnt be able to jail someone for an incident like this, if you cant prove why it happened and who is at fault. So in this instance, I think the legal system worked. As far as your local legal system and the other cases you mentioned, idk enough about them.

As far as the "liberties" that were being taken, its a double edged sword. If he was the instigator of the fight, and he beat them like that, he is a jerk.

If the LEOs were the instigators, kinda seems like they made a tactical error, and they deserve every lick they get in the process.

If it was excessive to the point of potentially killing someone, thats obviously different tho.

 

Either way, if he is somehow behind this robbery and beating, he should be skewered, for sure. But at the moment there are so many other factors that seem odd to me. I will feel better about condemning him when the evidence that this isnt a shakedown has been sorted out. It has a shakedown feel to it.

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On 7/10/2018 at 8:09 PM, Bucky86 said:

Victim's statement.

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1016831756643815424

 

Doesn't sound good for Shady.

Link above tells the reason the security system in the house was changed. Wasn't so McCoy could send a goon in to tune her up.

Was due to the fact that McCoy attempted to move her carp out when she was out of town ... she was able to use the security system to see what was happening and called the cops ... who came and put a stop to it.

I would think the police would be able to gain access to the new systems footage to help ID the assailant.

If McCoy somehow doesn't make that available to police, I say he's guilty as hell.

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Getting back to the fantasy football aspect of all this . . . now what? The FBG staff members that have updated their rankings have dropped him into the RB 30s / 40s/ 50s range.

Is it that dire a situation for McCoy for THIS fantasy season? Most other NFL suspensions took a year to unfold and happened the FOLLOWING fantasy season. How quickly do people expect the NFL to investigate and potentially suspend him? He could be placed on the exempt list but that usually happens after a player is formally charged with a crime.

I poked around at some other rankings at other places (ones that update rankings pretty regularly) and most of them have left their projections for McCoy the same (although a couple have dropped him a little). What do people see happening in terms of timing, potential suspensions, McCoy's availability to play?

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10 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Getting back to the fantasy football aspect of all this . . . now what? The FBG staff members that have updated their rankings have dropped him into the RB 30s / 40s/ 50s range.

Is it that dire a situation for McCoy for THIS fantasy season? Most other NFL suspensions took a year to unfold and happened the FOLLOWING fantasy season. How quickly do people expect the NFL to investigate and potentially suspend him? He could be placed on the exempt list but that usually happens after a player is formally charged with a crime.

I poked around at some other rankings at other places (ones that update rankings pretty regularly) and most of them have left their projections for McCoy the same (although a couple have dropped him a little). What do people see happening in terms of timing, potential suspensions, McCoy's availability to play?

He is undraftable.   How could he being anything but?  Dude is donzo.

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8 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Getting back to the fantasy football aspect of all this . . . now what? The FBG staff members that have updated their rankings have dropped him into the RB 30s / 40s/ 50s range.

Is it that dire a situation for McCoy for THIS fantasy season? Most other NFL suspensions took a year to unfold and happened the FOLLOWING fantasy season. How quickly do people expect the NFL to investigate and potentially suspend him? He could be placed on the exempt list but that usually happens after a player is formally charged with a crime.

I poked around at some other rankings at other places (ones that update rankings pretty regularly) and most of them have left their projections for McCoy the same (although a couple have dropped him a little). What do people see happening in terms of timing, potential suspensions, McCoy's availability to play?

Just scrolling down some dynasty ADP, I'm passing on Shady until I get to TJ Yeldon, Devontae Booker, Ito Smith (RB48-50). Personal opinion is that he's mostlikely done in the NFL.

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23 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Getting back to the fantasy football aspect of all this . . . now what? The FBG staff members that have updated their rankings have dropped him into the RB 30s / 40s/ 50s range.

Is it that dire a situation for McCoy for THIS fantasy season? Most other NFL suspensions took a year to unfold and happened the FOLLOWING fantasy season. How quickly do people expect the NFL to investigate and potentially suspend him? He could be placed on the exempt list but that usually happens after a player is formally charged with a crime.

I poked around at some other rankings at other places (ones that update rankings pretty regularly) and most of them have left their projections for McCoy the same (although a couple have dropped him a little). What do people see happening in terms of timing, potential suspensions, McCoy's availability to play?

Not worth the headache even drafting if you have to worry about appeals, and injunctions and the NFL investigation.  Luckily we have 1.5 months until most re-drafts.  The Zeke mess last year of playing and not playing was ridiculous.

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So when would the league intervene? Training camp starts in 10 days? Do they let him go to that? The season starts in like 45 days from now. Will they let him play?

The thing about the exempt list (like with ADP), the domestic violence policy calls for a 6 game suspension. But they can leave a player on the exempt list for longer than the player could be suspended for (which seems odd to me). 

All we have to go on right now is the friend of a woman said LeSean was responsible. Maybe it’s just me, but I would think the league would need more than that to keep McCoy from playing. 

Again, I am not saying he isn’t involved or didn’t do anything. All I am saying is in my mind it is too soon for the league to act until there is more to go on. Maybe they will get access to more information than is being reported and they can get that information quickly. 

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36 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Getting back to the fantasy football aspect of all this . . . now what? The FBG staff members that have updated their rankings have dropped him into the RB 30s / 40s/ 50s range.

Is it that dire a situation for McCoy for THIS fantasy season? Most other NFL suspensions took a year to unfold and happened the FOLLOWING fantasy season. How quickly do people expect the NFL to investigate and potentially suspend him? He could be placed on the exempt list but that usually happens after a player is formally charged with a crime.

I poked around at some other rankings at other places (ones that update rankings pretty regularly) and most of them have left their projections for McCoy the same (although a couple have dropped him a little). What do people see happening in terms of timing, potential suspensions, McCoy's availability to play?

As someone said, we are 1.5 months out. There either will be clarity by that time or there won't be and he will fall to mid-late to the end of most drafts where someone will take a flyer on him. If the news makes it look like he's not going to be suspended this year someone will take him as their RB3 or RB4 in most leagues, you will still have to worry about something coming out mid-season that would result in an instant suspension like Ray Rice or ADP which will drop his draft position. If other news drops between now and redrafts further implicating him or it's looking like a suspension is possible, then he becomes a late round flyer or un-draftable.

Ivory obviously shoots up quite a bit but you would expect the Bills will sign someone else now no matter what as insurance against any suspension.

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3 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

So when would the league intervene? Training camp starts in 10 days? Do they let him go to that? The season starts in like 45 days from now. Will they let him play?

The thing about the exempt list (like with ADP), the domestic violence policy calls for a 6 game suspension. But they can leave a player on the exempt list for longer than the player could be suspended for (which seems odd to me). 

All we have to go on right now is the friend of a woman said LeSean was responsible. Maybe it’s just me, but I would think the league would need more than that to keep McCoy from playing. 

Again, I am not saying he isn’t involved or didn’t do anything. All I am saying is in my mind it is too soon for the league to act until there is more to go on. Maybe they will get access to more information than is being reported and they can get that information quickly. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/07/12/bills-need-to-be-ready-for-possibility-lesean-mccoy-ends-up-on-exempt-list/

I think that's what will happen while things are in the air.  Exempt list with pay.

Can't see the NFL letting him play while there is uncertainty.  This is a pretty major incident.  If they let him play and it's later found out he was involved the NFL will have major egg on their face.  They won't risk that. 

Things might get resolved before the season, but until then he's not playing a regular season game IMO.

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The comments in bold below are tweets from Rodak

5 hours ago, Gottabesweet said:

The police have said it was a targeted attack, however surely somebody in the neighborhood has a camera.

https://twitter.com/mikerodak

Another item in log: “The caller adv[ises] her neighbors have cameras outside the house [7/10/18 03:27:46]"

5 hours ago, Gottabesweet said:

. The timing is the weirdest thing to me, He was going through the court process already to get her out of his house and his stuff back. 

 

I'll offer up yet another theory that might make the timing make sense. Below is a quote where she is telling police she thinks it might be McCoy who set her up. That got me thinking that on the timing. The court date was pending but I believe all that did was get her out of the house. I'm not sure about this but I think it's a whole other process to retrieve stuff, like jewelry. Remember Mario Williams had to sue his ex-fiancee to get his ring back? So if McCoy had reason to think she was about to be evicted he might have thought his window on getting his other stuff back without going through the courts again was closing fast. And in McCoy's defense it's also quite possible  that he might even know the perp and still he had zero to do with this and the odd timing is due to fact that the perp knows she is about to vacate the house, knows about some of her expensive possession and knows his time to rob teh house is running out.

All wild speculation I know but right now while it does not mean McCoy sent someone over I feel strong in my belief of two things. This is not a set up by her, she was legit robbed and the beating she took was not some kind of setup hoax and that the person(s) who robbed and beat her know her or McCoy.

The police log released Thursday states the suspect was a black male of an unknown age wearing a mask and dressed in all black.

Milton, Georgia police have released a more detailed log of Tuesday’s home invasion. One item in log: “The caller poss thinks her ex boyfriend poss set her up

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Getting back to the fantasy football aspect of all this . . . now what? The FBG staff members that have updated their rankings have dropped him into the RB 30s / 40s/ 50s range.

Is it that dire a situation for McCoy for THIS fantasy season? Most other NFL suspensions took a year to unfold and happened the FOLLOWING fantasy season. How quickly do people expect the NFL to investigate and potentially suspend him? He could be placed on the exempt list but that usually happens after a player is formally charged with a crime.

I poked around at some other rankings at other places (ones that update rankings pretty regularly) and most of them have left their projections for McCoy the same (although a couple have dropped him a little). What do people see happening in terms of timing, potential suspensions, McCoy's availability to play?

Hopefully everyone has learned a valuable lesson here...

"it's the beechas that'll geetchas"

 

 

what? ... too soon? :sadbanana:

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I assume most of you have watched this ... but if not, it's a "must see"

Date & Marrige Chart

 

This should be mandatory viewing for all NFL rookies at their rookie orientation.

 

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37 minutes ago, ILUVBEER99 said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/07/12/bills-need-to-be-ready-for-possibility-lesean-mccoy-ends-up-on-exempt-list/

I think that's what will happen while things are in the air.  Exempt list with pay.

Can't see the NFL letting him play while there is uncertainty.  This is a pretty major incident.  If they let him play and it's later found out he was involved the NFL will have major egg on their face.  They won't risk that. 

Things might get resolved before the season, but until then he's not playing a regular season game IMO.

We'll see. Florio is always quick to get stuff out there to get clicks. Most of the time it's just him giving his opinion, speculation, or throwing out possible outcomes.

IMO, the league and/or the police have 45 days to find a credible way to tie this to McCoy or I think they have to let him play. Simply having someone suggest it could have been McCoy probably isn't enough. Similarly, if they don't catch or charge the actual intruder, I don't see how they can then hang McCoy out to dry on it. Shady could end up playing the first two weeks of the season and then getting the plug pulled with very little notice and missing the rest of the season.

I do agree that if there is stuff that leads to McCoy he is in deep doo doo. Like I said several times already, if he ordered the code red there will be evidence of it somewhere.

I did see this as far as the league is concerned: An unnamed source “familiar with” the NFL’s inner workings told the Washington Post, “There’s not much that (league leaders) can do until the police get further along. It’s very early in the process.”

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Maybe the process gets expedited. Maybe they find something damning very quickly. But on the surface it doesn't sound like the league is going to dive into this immediately.

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4 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

So when would the league intervene? Training camp starts in 10 days? Do they let him go to that? The season starts in like 45 days from now. Will they let him play?

The thing about the exempt list (like with ADP), the domestic violence policy calls for a 6 game suspension. But they can leave a player on the exempt list for longer than the player could be suspended for (which seems odd to me). 

All we have to go on right now is the friend of a woman said LeSean was responsible. Maybe it’s just me, but I would think the league would need more than that to keep McCoy from playing. 

Again, I am not saying he isn’t involved or didn’t do anything. All I am saying is in my mind it is too soon for the league to act until there is more to go on. Maybe they will get access to more information than is being reported and they can get that information quickly. 

 

Contrary to the opinions of some around here, the NFL is painfully thorough with its investigations and thoughtful with its punishment.  The league’s report on Elliott and why he ended up suspended is quite eye opening, and the suspension was anything but arbitrary.  Elliott prolonged the situation with his appeals to the league and court system despite the case the league amassed against him.

 

But because the league is so thorough, it also takes a lot of time for their investigators to exhaust all of their resources.  The only thing worse to the league of a black eye like Elliott’s (and potentially this case) is the publicity attached to getting it wrong and letting a guy skate after he’s committed a serious offense.

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19 minutes ago, Bossman said:

I assume most of you have watched this ... but if not, it's a "must see"

Date & Marrige Chart

 

This should be mandatory viewing for all NFL rookies at their rookie orientation.

 

That is one of the funniest damn things I've ever seen LOL

 

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1 hour ago, irish eyes said:

That is one of the funniest damn things I've ever seen LOL

 

ya-it-is

"Red-heads" ... lol

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21 hours ago, Chaka said:

If we fail to listen to people we disagree with then we catagorically eliminate the possibility of finding common ground.

Thinking there is no common ground without even trying to find it is, once again,  foolish and dangerous.

Buuuut you aren't finding common ground with me......you think we should listen to everyone and have a discussion. There's no bad people just bad listeners.

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2 hours ago, irish eyes said:

That is one of the funniest damn things I've ever seen LOL

 

It kept my attention and was well done.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/07/12/police-reports-detail-three-prior-calls-to-lesean-mccoy-delicia-cordon-residence/?utm_term=.62adcb16494a

New info to the mix:

- The cops were at the house 3 other times within the past year. 

- She had accused him of cheating, attacking him on social media, and followed him to Las Vegas to try to prove the cheating.

- He called the police when they broke up to try to get her out of the house. Looks like he piled her clothes on the front yard. But she left before the police got there.

- McCoy asked the cops if they could compel the GF to give back expensive jewelry that she had borrowed for big outings or events. 

- At that time, he told police he was concerned she might set him up. 

- The police advised him to stay away from her if he felt she might make false allegations.

- None of the calls involved any violence or reports of violence. 

- The incident involving the moving truck was McCoy trying to get his own furniture relocated to somewhere else but the GF demanded the cops have the furniture brought back into the house (even though he bought it).

- McCoy spoke with the police at the time and was told they couldn’t intervene as to who bought or owned what items so it all had to go back into the house. The police noted he understood and complied without incident. 

- McCoy planned on selling the house and apparently agreed to let the GF stay on the premises until the house was sold.

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5 hours ago, Bossman said:

I assume most of you have watched this ... but if not, it's a "must see"

Date & Marrige Chart

 

This should be mandatory viewing for all NFL rookies at their rookie orientation.

 

Lets make this simple stay away from IG Models and the Kardashians. kNow if you date and end up marrying someone who is a celebrity you will be in the spotlight often and many times when you don't want to be. Cut off all dead weight family and friends wise. Parents trying to live through you (AKA Lavar Ball types), people who constantly ask for money, guys in shady crews, Always wear protection, don't take anything you aren't certain is ok by the NFL, treat your spouse or significant other with the same respect you'd treat your mother, NO MEANS NO, and absolutely keep track of your financials. Invest in something, have a separate account with bonus's and stuff in for retirement, if you are out call an uber/taxi/lyft or TEAM SECURITY. In general use common sense use your brain not your D**k!!!!!

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5 hours ago, Bossman said:

I assume most of you have watched this ... but if not, it's a "must see"

Date & Marrige Chart

 

This should be mandatory viewing for all NFL rookies at their rookie orientation.

 

That's good stuff. Friend sent that to me a few months ago and I sent it to my wife. She normally has a great sense of humor but replied back to me that it was not only not funny but just plain chauvinistic and part of problem in the world today.  I let it go. Later that evening, while eating dinner, she just started laughing for no reason and saying  "that's a tranny". Took her awhile, but she got there.

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/07/12/police-reports-detail-three-prior-calls-to-lesean-mccoy-delicia-cordon-residence/?utm_term=.62adcb16494a

New info to the mix:

- The cops were at the house 3 other times within the past year. 

- She had accused him of cheating, attacking him on social media, and followed him to Las Vegas to try to prove the cheating.

- He called the police when they broke up to try to get her out of the house. Looks like he piled her clothes on the front yard. But she left before the police got there.

- McCoy asked the cops if they could compel the GF to give back expensive jewelry that she had borrowed for big outings or events. 

- At that time, he told police he was concerned she might set him up. 

- The police advised him to stay away from her if he felt she might make false allegations.

- None of the calls involved any violence or reports of violence. 

- The incident involving the moving truck was McCoy trying to get his own furniture relocated to somewhere else but the GF demanded the cops have the furniture brought back into the house (even though he bought it).

- McCoy spoke with the police at the time and was told they couldn’t intervene as to who bought or owned what items so it all had to go back into the house. The police noted he understood and complied without incident. 

- McCoy planned on selling the house and apparently agreed to let the GF stay on the premises until the house was sold.

she caught him with an escort.

Also the police report according to the NYPost or Times was the intruder asked for the specific items McCoy had leant her. That doesn't sound to good for McCoy right there. 

Sounds like both parties aren't great people and the more I read the more I believe both wanted to eventually set the other up and end this once and for all. Shady just was the first to act. Doesn't mean he's right though if thats the case. I'm just thankful Shady is another teams problem and not the Eagles anymore. 

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12 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/07/12/police-reports-detail-three-prior-calls-to-lesean-mccoy-delicia-cordon-residence/?utm_term=.62adcb16494a

New info to the mix:

- The cops were at the house 3 other times within the past year. 

- She had accused him of cheating, attacking him on social media, and followed him to Las Vegas to try to prove the cheating.

- He called the police when they broke up to try to get her out of the house. Looks like he piled her clothes on the front yard. But she left before the police got there.

- McCoy asked the cops if they could compel the GF to give back expensive jewelry that she had borrowed for big outings or events. 

- At that time, he told police he was concerned she might set him up. 

- The police advised him to stay away from her if he felt she might make false allegations.

- None of the calls involved any violence or reports of violence. 

- The incident involving the moving truck was McCoy trying to get his own furniture relocated to somewhere else but the GF demanded the cops have the furniture brought back into the house (even though he bought it).

- McCoy spoke with the police at the time and was told they couldn’t intervene as to who bought or owned what items so it all had to go back into the house. The police noted he understood and complied without incident. 

- McCoy planned on selling the house and apparently agreed to let the GF stay on the premises until the house was sold.

He sent his mother and a moving truck to grab his clothes and furniture.  He then spoke to the cops on the phone and asked what he was allowed to take and explained the process started.  He seems to be doing everything by the book. 

The police call talks a lot about the 16 year old son being gone with the window down and a towel out the window. Also mentions being robbed of money. 

She was arrested at the scene in July 2017 for an outstanding warrant.

Once she showed the towel/bed sheet out the upstairs bedroom window, she quickly said "They left out the front door because no camera's are there"  hmmmm

She also said the neighbors have camera's and may have caught something.

If she truly borrowed items for a jeweler and McCoy couldn't get them back, it's not impossible that the jeweler has a guy.

They said it was one small man in a mask.

 

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12 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

she caught him with an escort.

Also the police report according to the NYPost or Times was the intruder asked for the specific items McCoy had leant her. That doesn't sound to good for McCoy right there. 

Sounds like both parties aren't great people and the more I read the more I believe both wanted to eventually set the other up and end this once and for all. Shady just was the first to act. Doesn't mean he's right though if thats the case. I'm just thankful Shady is another teams problem and not the Eagles anymore. 

I think Shady is a POS but doesn't mean he was the first to act.  She's just as crazy and her story is almost too good mentioning the intruder asked for specific jewelry.  How are we to take her for her word on that after she's proven crazy but following him out to Vegas, not leaving the property, etc.  I find it extremely odd that Shady would set something like this up at the same time while trying to get his stuff back through the courts.  Wouldn't he let that part play out first?

I'm no Shady fan boy but something doesn't smell right to me with her story.

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lol we can stop with trying to minimize Philly regret on the Shady trade. But I guess whatever makes people sleep better...

 

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I keep seeing it mentioned that it doesn't make sense for McCoy to do this with the legal process apparently taking its course. It sounds like the legal process was only related to the eviction. If she had jewelry that was rented, it would make sense that that was one of the more urgent items for McCoy to get back due to increasing fees/pressure from the jeweler. Also it'd likely be more difficult to get back once the eviction was done. 

Or it could be the jeweler had a guy. I find either A: that option or B: a football player with a history of violence taking matters into his own hands to get his stuff back to be much much more likely scenarios than option C: a scorned woman concocted a plan with her friends to get herself beaten to a pulp in order to get back at an ex.

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42 minutes ago, jtd13 said:

I keep seeing it mentioned that it doesn't make sense for McCoy to do this with the legal process apparently taking its course. It sounds like the legal process was only related to the eviction. If she had jewelry that was rented, it would make sense that that was one of the more urgent items for McCoy to get back due to increasing fees/pressure from the jeweler. Also it'd likely be more difficult to get back once the eviction was done. 

Or it could be the jeweler had a guy. I find either A: that option or B: a football player with a history of violence taking matters into his own hands to get his stuff back to be much much more likely scenarios than option C: a scorned woman concocted a plan with her friends to get herself beaten to a pulp in order to get back at an ex.

I think he was going through both the eviction process and providing receipts etc to prove the items he wanted were bought by him.  So, I think he was doing both by the court process.  He was just surprised that he couldn't remove furniture from his house as he had to prove she didn't move/buy it. If this was New York State and she wasn't on the deed or tenant agreement she would have been out the first time the cops came.  She would be the one having to prove the stuff in HIS house was hers, not the other way around.  

It should be pretty common sense that the NFL player who bought the expensive house, the items more than likely belong to him inside the home.

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8 minutes ago, Gottabesweet said:

I think he was going through both the eviction process and providing receipts etc to prove the items he wanted were bought by him.  So, I think he was doing both by the court process.  

Ok, hadn't seen that. It's interesting how different these laws are State to state. I don't know much about Michigan law in these cases, much less Georgia or NY. 

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Just now, Gottabesweet said:

I think it was eviction and providing receipts etc to prove the items he wanted were bought by him.  So, I think he was doing both by the court process.  He was just surprised that he couldn't remove furniture from his house as he had to prove she didn't move/buy it.  Man if this was NYS, and she wasn't on the deed or tenant agreement she would have been the first time the cops came.  She would be the one having to prove the stuff in HIS house was hers, not the other way around.  

I had a similar issue when I was getting divorced. My ex-wife to be ran off with my laptop I used for work and had it in her apartment. I got the police involved and tried to get them to force her to give it back. They wrote a police report documenting what happened, but they could not force her to give the laptop back. She even admitted to taking it and said she didn't even want it. She said the only reason she took it was to get back at me and to cause me grief. Even with all that, the police said only a court could determine who was the rightful owner. They said they could not intervene.

Years later I ultimately got the laptop back (which was pretty much outdated and useless as I needed the information on the laptop more than I needed the laptop itself). In general, cops really have no interest in getting involved in domestic disputes, especially over personal belongings. They will tell you over and over that's a court issue.

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1 hour ago, Pipes said:

I think Shady is a POS but doesn't mean he was the first to act.  She's just as crazy and her story is almost too good mentioning the intruder asked for specific jewelry.  How are we to take her for her word on that after she's proven crazy but following him out to Vegas, not leaving the property, etc.  I find it extremely odd that Shady would set something like this up at the same time while trying to get his stuff back through the courts.  Wouldn't he let that part play out first?

I'm no Shady fan boy but something doesn't smell right to me with her story.

I don’t buy the idea that the story is too good. Whether it was orchestrated by McCoy or not, the perpetrator was looking for specific items. 

Sure, she doesn’t seem to be particularly rational, but nothing we know about her is enough to suppose that she volunteered to have her face bashed in. I don’t think we can completely rule it out, but it feels a lot less likely to me than McCoy simply doing something stupid and the guy he tasked to do it going too far. 

And following him to Vegas and refusing to leave his house aren’t particularly crazy acts. People do stupid #### when it comes to love.  

 

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Interesting . . .

According to WSB’s Mike Petchenik, Cordon’s lawyer, Tanya Graham Mitchell, “Cordon has never accused McCoy of domestic violence and she can’t speak to what Cordon’s friend posted on Instagram earlier this week.”

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17 hours ago, voiceofunreason said:

Buuuut you aren't finding common ground with me......you think we should listen to everyone and have a discussion. There's no bad people just bad listeners.

I absolutely hope to find common ground with you. I am sorry that you do not feel that I am not listening.

I disagree with the notion that you should simply ignore those you disagree with, and I have chosen to engage you rather than ignore you. The fact that we have been mature and not resorted to the petty trolling that causes one to put people on ignore in the first place is encouraging IMO and I hope to understand your position better.

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28 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Interesting . . .

According to WSB’s Mike Petchenik, Cordon’s lawyer, Tanya Graham Mitchell, “Cordon has never accused McCoy of domestic violence and she can’t speak to what Cordon’s friend posted on Instagram earlier this week.”

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Yeah seems like her lawyer instructed the friend to take down the post where all those accusations were.  If they don't have a clear picture to go by of the intruder it's going to take month's for them to interview and comb through contacts of McCoy, His ex, Jewelry store and her son, not to mention random strangers and friends of friend which is could be.

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

McCoy is a smooth talker.  Perhaps some money under the table or perhaps her attorney is trying to distance themselves from the multiple accusations from her friend and let the police and detectives do the investigating and accusing.

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1 hour ago, Concept Coop said:

I don’t buy the idea that the story is too good. Whether it was orchestrated by McCoy or not, the perpetrator was looking for specific items. 

Sure, she doesn’t seem to be particularly rational, but nothing we know about her is enough to suppose that she volunteered to have her face bashed in. I don’t think we can completely rule it out, but it feels a lot less likely to me than McCoy simply doing something stupid and the guy he tasked to do it going too far. 

And following him to Vegas and refusing to leave his house aren’t particularly crazy acts. People do stupid #### when it comes to love.  

 

I tend to think Shady is involved too but I was specifically replying to a poster that already convicted him.  Volunteering for a beating seems crazy but in today's world who knows. 

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3 hours ago, Pipes said:

I think Shady is a POS but doesn't mean he was the first to act.  She's just as crazy and her story is almost too good mentioning the intruder asked for specific jewelry.  How are we to take her for her word on that after she's proven crazy but following him out to Vegas, not leaving the property, etc.  I find it extremely odd that Shady would set something like this up at the same time while trying to get his stuff back through the courts.  Wouldn't he let that part play out first?

I'm no Shady fan boy but something doesn't smell right to me with her story.

This is where I’m at.

We all know football players aren’t always the brightest lights on the Christmas tree but Shady would have to be INSANELY stupid to have organized this hit. It makes literally zero sense for him given what we know so far with how he has handled this situation (going through courts, asking police what he’s allowed to do). He has everything to lose and NOTHING to gain. Meanwhile she has much to gain and little to lose. If I had to bet on which side is telling the truth, I’d bet on McCoy. 

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4 hours ago, Pipes said:

I think Shady is a POS but doesn't mean he was the first to act.  She's just as crazy and her story is almost too good mentioning the intruder asked for specific jewelry.  How are we to take her for her word on that after she's proven crazy but following him out to Vegas, not leaving the property, etc.  I find it extremely odd that Shady would set something like this up at the same time while trying to get his stuff back through the courts.  Wouldn't he let that part play out first?

I'm no Shady fan boy but something doesn't smell right to me with her story.

They are both wrong honestly. I could see them both being in the wrong. Maybe she set him up and took a guy shady knew and shady owed them money so this was a way for him to get back at him? I don't know. All kinds of options here to think about. There's really no exclusive evidence either way saying one or the other is right. However we all know at this point McCoy has lacked common sense for yrs so it won't surprising me at all if he set this all up. Some may not want to believe he'd do such a thing but he's dumb enough to do it.

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3 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

I had a similar issue when I was getting divorced. My ex-wife to be ran off with my laptop I used for work and had it in her apartment. I got the police involved and tried to get them to force her to give it back. They wrote a police report documenting what happened, but they could not force her to give the laptop back. She even admitted to taking it and said she didn't even want it. She said the only reason she took it was to get back at me and to cause me grief. Even with all that, the police said only a court could determine who was the rightful owner. They said they could not intervene.

Years later I ultimately got the laptop back (which was pretty much outdated and useless as I needed the information on the laptop more than I needed the laptop itself). In general, cops really have no interest in getting involved in domestic disputes, especially over personal belongings. They will tell you over and over that's a court issue.

Yeah unless someone is getting beat into hamburger meat the cops really don't care about domestic disputes about what belongs to who etc. However they will suggest that one or the other spend the night or a few nights elsewhere and let things calm down and for the two of the parties involved to figure it out themselves. Unless there is a credible threat they always say take it up with the court. I have a co worker who was involved with a biker who was in Hell's Angels and then Pagans. The dude ended up being bipolar. He beat the living daylights out of her which is when she finally left with her dog and lizard. Dude tried to get out of jail by saying she drugged him without consent. However judge threw it out because my co worker was trying to get him on his bi polar meds so he wouldn't go crazy. He would not sleep for 3 days and end up drinking causing issues so she's mix his meds with his beer and he'd then pass out shed throw him in bed and dump the beer out. Shove it in his mouth French kissing him and forcing him to swallow the pill etc. The judge ruled since he had to take medication prescribed to him and she was giving him that medication she was not in the wrong. 

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3 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Interesting . . .

According to WSB’s Mike Petchenik, Cordon’s lawyer, Tanya Graham Mitchell, “Cordon has never accused McCoy of domestic violence and she can’t speak to what Cordon’s friend posted on Instagram earlier this week.”

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Maybe the friend didn't like her involved with McCoy? Trying to get her out of it anyway she can? 

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Not sure if anyone's made this point yet but it reminds me a lot of the Tonya Harding story in the sense that Shady told some friends (either directly or indirectly) to "take care of it while I'm gone" and they went off the deep end with that request.

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1 minute ago, RenegadeRoy said:

Not sure if anyone's made this point yet but it reminds me a lot of the Tonya Harding story in the sense that Shady told some friends (either directly or indirectly) to "take care of it while I'm gone" and they went off the deep end with that request.

I have seen and read up on a lot of stuff involving this case so far. A couple things haven't added up with some of the talking heads.

1) She goes into great detail and great lengths on the 911 call to tell the dispatcher about who she thinks did it, how he got in and out of the house, where the cameras were, what he wanted to get, calling it a targeted break in, that he wanted the jewelry, etc. The call goes on and on for multiple minutes. Why would she elaborate so much to a dispatcher? Wouldn't your concern be that someone broke in, I'm injured, my son is missing, send someone quickly, please hurry? It almost seems like she went way out of her way to get all of her accusations and key elements of the attack ON A RECORDED LINE. She seems way more concerned about getting all the info out than getting the police and medical assistance to the house.

2) I don't know if it is shoddy reporting, what was said to the police, how things got transcribed. etc., but some media outlets have reported the assailant asked for all the money and jewelry in the house. She apparently told the police that the assailant saw the diamond bracelet on her wrist and then demanded that too. IMO, that's way different than saying the guy asked for specific items. Demanding a Cartier diamond necklace from a particular store is entirely different than demanding all the jewelry and money in the house. Just asking for those items could make it a random break in.

3) Some women have commented that a woman in bed at 3:30 a.m. WOULD NOT be wearing an expensive diamond bracelet to bed. They mentioned that if it was worth thousands and thousands of dollars, the huge majority of women would take it off and put it away before going to bed.

4) We don't know the full details, but it sounds like the jewelry in question was signed out by her on loan from top jewelers over a year ago but in his name, and he has been trying to get her to return them either to him or back to the stores. That is a completely different situation than if he bought them outright and gave them to her as gifts. She can't claim ownership of something borrowed or rented from a store.

5) There is something that doesn't add up to how the perp got in and out of the house. It was labeled as a targeted home invasion because there was no forced entry. Couldn't the doors have been unlocked? Didn't they find one of the windows open and evidence that someone had climbed through it? At my house, we don't always lock all the doors and we certainly don't latch all the windows.

6) The IG post referenced issues with domestic violence and child abuse. The police had been to the house 3 other times, found no threats or evidence of abuse, and there were no allegations of abuse made. The attorney for the GF just came out today and said there was no abuse prior to this incident and they are not in agreement with what the initial IG posts listed as allegations.

7) McCoy told the police a year ago he was concerned she would make false allegations against him and he was concerned he would face the wrath of the league given their domestic violence policies.

8) McCoy did what the police advised him to do . . . go through the court system to get her evicted, have the court compel her to return any items of his still in her possession, and stay away from her.

9) The incident occurred the day before their court hearing when she could finally have been legally forced out of the house. Why on earth would he then send someone to beat her up after waiting a year to get her out when there was a decent chance the court would have ordered it THE NEXT DAY? (Ultimately the hearing got rescheduled, but the point still stands.) 

All that being said, all that is making the news is that she claimed McCoy set it up and he is the one that did it to her. That his career is in jeopardy. That the NFL is going to put him on the exempt list and he won't be able to play. I haven't seen too many places actually researching what the situation is and what is ongoing in the investigation.

Maybe they find that McCoy was behind this and hold him responsible, but the way things are being reported, the reports are making him out to be a total monster.

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18 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

9) The incident occurred the day before their court hearing when she could finally have been legally forced out of the house. Why on earth would he then send someone to beat her up after waiting a year to get her out when there was a decent chance the court would have ordered it THE NEXT DAY? (Ultimately the hearing got rescheduled, but the point still stands.) 

One theory: Because he was desperate to get the jewelry back and would have more trouble getting it back after she was evicted. 

I agree this whole thing doesn't make sense yet.

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23 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I have seen and read up on a lot of stuff involving this case so far. A couple things haven't added up with some of the talking heads.

1) She goes into great detail and great lengths on the 911 call to tell the dispatcher about who she thinks did it, how he got in and out of the house, where the cameras were, what he wanted to get, calling it a targeted break in, that he wanted the jewelry, etc. The call goes on and on for multiple minutes. Why would she elaborate so much to a dispatcher? Wouldn't your concern be that someone broke in, I'm injured, my son is missing, send someone quickly, please hurry? It almost seems like she went way out of her way to get all of her accusations and key elements of the attack ON A RECORDED LINE. She seems way more concerned about getting all the info out than getting the police and medical assistance to the house.

2) I don't know if it is shoddy reporting, what was said to the police, how things got transcribed. etc., but some media outlets have reported the assailant asked for all the money and jewelry in the house. She apparently told the police that the assailant saw the diamond bracelet on her wrist and then demanded that too. IMO, that's way different than saying the guy asked for specific items. Demanding a Cartier diamond necklace from a particular store is entirely different than demanding all the jewelry and money in the house. Just asking for those items could make it a random break in.

3) Some women have commented that a woman in bed at 3:30 a.m. WOULD NOT be wearing an expensive diamond bracelet to bed. They mentioned that if it was worth thousands and thousands of dollars, the huge majority of women would take it off and put it away before going to bed.

4) We don't know the full details, but it sounds like the jewelry in question was signed out by her on loan from top jewelers over a year ago but in his name, and he has been trying to get her to return them either to him or back to the stores. That is a completely different situation than if he bought them outright and gave them to her as gifts. She can't claim ownership of something borrowed or rented from a store.

5) There is something that doesn't add up to how the perp got in and out of the house. It was labeled as a targeted home invasion because there was no forced entry. Couldn't the doors have been unlocked? Didn't they find one of the windows open and evidence that someone had climbed through it? At my house, we don't always lock all the doors and we certainly don't latch all the windows.

6) The IG post referenced issues with domestic violence and child abuse. The police had been to the house 3 other times, found no threats or evidence of abuse, and there were no allegations of abuse made. The attorney for the GF just came out today and said there was no abuse prior to this incident and they are not in agreement with what the initial IG posts listed as allegations.

7) McCoy told the police a year ago he was concerned she would make false allegations against him and he was concerned he would face the wrath of the league given their domestic violence policies.

8) McCoy did what the police advised him to do . . . go through the court system to get her evicted, have the court compel her to return any items of his still in her possession, and stay away from her.

9) The incident occurred the day before their court hearing when she could finally have been legally forced out of the house. Why on earth would he then send someone to beat her up after waiting a year to get her out when there was a decent chance the court would have ordered it THE NEXT DAY? (Ultimately the hearing got rescheduled, but the point still stands.) 

All that being said, all that is making the news is that she claimed McCoy set it up and he is the one that did it to her. That his career is in jeopardy. That the NFL is going to put him on the exempt list and he won't be able to play. I haven't seen too many places actually researching what the situation is and what is ongoing in the investigation.

Maybe they find that McCoy was behind this and hold him responsible, but the way things are being reported, the reports are making him out to be a total monster.

1. People act in unpredictable ways during traumatic events. 
2. You bring up a good point regarding the reports of the perp asking for specific items. That can mean a lot of different things. 
3. What does the value of the item have to do with anything? It's not like the item was at risk of being damaged while she slept. Sure, I take off my watch before bed, but have certainly fallen asleep with one on a few times. 
4. This actually supports her story more than it hurts it. Motive. 
5. There's nothing at all uncommon about her having the windows locked.
8. We don't know this. 
9. He wasn't assured to get the jewelry back though, right?

I'm playing devil's advocate, but I don't think I'm giving her side of the story any more benefit of the doubt than you are McCoy's. 

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Shady certainly dances to the beat of a different drum than the rest of us. He seems like a magnet for "women issues."

LeSean McCoy's 2015 'females only' party generated police complaint from co-host

A woman he hired to host a party accused McCoy of stealing $30,000+ of her jewelry.
A friend of her's story is the woman was acting crazy at the party and told the police the woman made up the stuff about the missing jewelry.
It took months for the police to finally get a hold of McCoy, who denied doing anything wrong.
The police asked the woman for an itemized list of what she claimed was stolen.
She never got back to them and the case was later closed.

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What about her friends. Maybe one of her jealous Instagram friends is pissed at her that she gets all the attention and money and saw it as an easy way to blame McCoy and console her friend in the first place without her knowing.  

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