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Lesean McCoy? How concerned are we? (2 Viewers)
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shoecrew22
Footballguy
Offered a McCoy/Martin J.Reed/NilesPaul owner whos 2-2 Jordan Cameron + Reggie Bush for McCoy - prob overpaying but im about to be 0-4 and if Megatron/DT dont get it together im doomed anyway - may as well take a shot at Shady even if he busts worth the gamble at this point
Timmay
Footballguy
I think this week against the 49ers was a wake up call for the run game/o-line for the Eagles. Starting off 3-0 probably didn't make the Eagles think twice about changing things up, but after the offense could barely move the ball against the 49ers, things have to change. McCoy most of the year on run plays was lined up in shotgun and would go out wide with his runs, in the 2nd half of this weeks game, McCoy started lining up in iso sets with Foles under center and McCoy would go right up the middle. Producing a couple 5 yard runs. I know it is a small sample size and the Eagles were down at the end of the game so it wasn't used very much, but I have hope for McCoy and this run game. Even Chip said the O-Line has to do better.
Only part of McCoy that scares me, is that even on bad running days in years past, he would still get at least 3-5 touches in the pass game to produce some yards/fantasy points. This year so far, it seems like Sproles has been used in that role. Taking touches away from McCoy.
Only part of McCoy that scares me, is that even on bad running days in years past, he would still get at least 3-5 touches in the pass game to produce some yards/fantasy points. This year so far, it seems like Sproles has been used in that role. Taking touches away from McCoy.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I believe there was a really old article (possibly FBG) back in the day that talked about how RBs that got 300+ carries tend to fall off the following year. Could be as simple as just too much wear and tear. 2014 McCoy just doesn't look like he's got any sizzle.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Thinking of offering Lacy and Hilton for Shady, might be Lacy's high point and McCoy can only get better right?!?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Offensive lines are so important to the success of a RB it still boggles my mind that we don't go in depth into OL rankings here during the preseason. Even McCoy is susceptible to poor OL play. If McCoy was running behind the same line that Murray is, this thread wouldn't exist.
Just look.
Just look.
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football_genus
Footballguy
This week is big. The Eagles get Lane Johnson back and play the Rams. There is some question whether Johnson is in football shape, but Kelly says he will start if he is in shape.
If Lane Johnson plays and McCoy does badly, I will start to panic.
If Lane Johnson plays and McCoy does badly, I will start to panic.
Dynasty Walkers
Footballguy
Opinions on players sure do change in a hurry at this site. I guess it's a "what have you done for me lately" forum. I can understand the impatience in redraft leagues, but not dynasty. He's only 26 years old.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Indeed... but so is fantasy football, and to a lesser degree the NFL as a whole.
In related news, I'm sticking with McCoy as long as he's in the line-up. He's too talented not to, and once the O-Line heals and the Philly coaches realize they NEED a running game of some sort, Shady will be back. It's not like he forgot how to football over the summer. This spectre of turf toe is the only thing that has my radar raised as it reminds me a tiny bit of Spiller's ankle from last year...
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Last year, Ray Rice was 26, but still recorded a bad season due to terrible offensive line play. Granted, Rice never had the unquestioned talent of Shady.
I still think McCoy will turn it around, but my concern has increased. Still, he's at least a safe bet to finish as a decent RB2; if you can get him for that price, you have to take it on the chance he can regain some of his old form. Unfortunately, I have no idea about his price right now.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
This is a very good point. No matter how good Shady is, if the line can't open a hole at the line of scrimmage it doesn't matter. There's a reason the backup running backs on the Cowboys look better than Shady right now. It's all about the line. And what we are all learning (at least I am) is just how quickly it all can change. Cowboys now have an O-Line, the Steelers had to to exactly what the Eagles did Sunday (throw on 3rd/4th and 1) for several years and now can run behind a better O-line, etc. The Eagles have been decimated. I'm just hoping that a) starting 4-0 gets me to the playoffs, and b) when 3 of the 5 starters are back in by the end of October-ish Shady will look like Shady again. If not I'm done. And trading for lesser players will make me done too. So I'm holding.
football_genus
Footballguy
3 of 5 starters will be back this Sunday. Lane Johnson is back, and they had Peters and Herremans.
They only had 1 of 5 playing in position, since Herremans was playing RT. With Johnson back, he can move back to his usual position at RG.
They only had 1 of 5 playing in position, since Herremans was playing RT. With Johnson back, he can move back to his usual position at RG.
Courtweeks87
Footballguy
I just sold him and c. Patterson for Marshall and lacy I'm not sure if the owner was thinking he was buying low on both or what but I was happy to accept. At least lacy is scoring more than that 1 ####### point in a game!
Insein
Footballguy
Lane Johnson back. 30th ranked rush defense coming to town. Eagles embarassed on offense this week. Expect Kelly to get Shady a heavy does of the ball in space for him to shine. This offense needs to run the football and I'm expecting a blow up this week.
Otherwise we're in trouble.
Otherwise we're in trouble.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not selling now. His value is at an all time. I personally feel the chance of him being productive (not saying stud) from here on out, as opposed to what he's going for now, is the smart bet. I'd rather go down with the ship than sell him for some of the ridiculous offers I've seen posted here.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Cutting him for McKinnon. Ok, not yet. But crazy to even have such outrageous and vengeful thoughts.
jurb26
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
An all time what? Low? Doesn't make any sense to sell him for pennies on the dollar right now.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not saying that McCoy can't continue to have a poor season, due to a bad o-line and perhaps an injury. I'm just saying that his career hasn't reached the cliff that Alexander's did at 30.
Rice had a poor line and was overweight last season - he also had an incredibly high workload throughout his college career. Rice, most likely, would have bounced back a bit this season (but I guess we can't be sure).
DocHolliday
Footballguy
This is solid insight. We are going to learn a lot this weekend. I am starting Shady and feel ok. The Eagles have to understand that they must get the running game going in order to get pressure off of Foles.Insein said:
I also understand that my first round pick is not going to be point machine that I had figured. It happens. Have to take chances at other places in the line up.
Rick James
Footballguy
would any of you Shady owners accept an Arian Foster + Victor Cruz offer? PPR league. Just trying to figure out value here.
ahartig
Footballguy
I think it all depends on how your team is looking after the first 4 weeks. If your sitting at 3-1 or 4-0 and have a few stud WR and a few other good to stud RBs, then I see no point in selling low......
Luckily, i won this week thanks to Mr. Asiata and am sitting at 3-1. If I was at 1-3 or 0-4, I would be selling to try and get immediate results.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
The o-line issues will probably get resolved, but it could take a while. But I'm still considering buying.
If you owned McCoy and were 0-4, worst ytd points in the league, and weak at every position except QB, what would it take to get McCoy right now...
- low RB2 + mid TE
- low RB2 + low WR2
- low RB2 + mid WR2
- low RB2 + mid WR2
- low RB2 + mid WR2 + TE
- mid RB2
- mid RB2 + low WR2
- high RB2
If you owned McCoy and were 0-4, worst ytd points in the league, and weak at every position except QB, what would it take to get McCoy right now...
- low RB2 + mid TE
- low RB2 + low WR2
- low RB2 + mid WR2
- low RB2 + mid WR2
- low RB2 + mid WR2 + TE
- mid RB2
- mid RB2 + low WR2
- high RB2
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I still have him as my top dynasty RB. I just do.
Norcalhoya
Footballguy
Just traded for him in dynasty. He was my initial target, but the trade ended involving quite a few players.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Traded him, dez, cousins/rg3, and Cameron (I have bennett) for Peyton, Maclin, Niles Paul (not sure what I'll do with him really) Ahmad Bradshaw and Trent in my 12 team ppr league.
Honestly, Dez was the only player I'll miss. McCoy will turn it around (probably as soon as next week) but I think the long term issues are still there. Sproles stealing catches, O-line injuries, and teams daring Foles to beat them. Think that bodes well for Maclin too.
Honestly, Dez was the only player I'll miss. McCoy will turn it around (probably as soon as next week) but I think the long term issues are still there. Sproles stealing catches, O-line injuries, and teams daring Foles to beat them. Think that bodes well for Maclin too.
ahartig
Footballguy
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I have both him and Martin and feel my fantasy team has been robbed on a highway every week.ahartig said:
golfguy
Footballguy
This can't be a real trade. that is horrible. shady and AJG alone are worth more then that offering.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I think it's pretty clear that McCoy's main issue is O-Line performance. I have no idea what Ball's problem is. So I'd vote McCoy. The O-Line starters will be back eventually and the backups should get better as they play together more.
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Courtweeks87
Footballguy
My rbs on 1 team Mccoy, martin, Gerhart, tate, sankey, miller, crowell. Somehow with hitting my late round picks mostly k.benjamin, kelce, S smith, and luck at qb I am still 2 and 2. My rbs are horrid lol I hope riding out the storm I'll be okay if they start to show roi
Courtweeks87
Footballguy
If you could get him to throw in a decent rb with it I would pull the trigger on that. D.thomas is gonna be fine when he comes back I have been buying Low everywhere possible
Shutout
Footballguy
The answer is in your question.
McCoy has somewhere to turn around from. Ball has never been anywhere from where he can turn from.
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