Lesean McCoy? How concerned are we?

[zamboni 3,445]

1 minute ago, rockaction said:

He looks like freakin' Kyler Murray out there. 

Is that good or bad?

[Ministry of Pain 3,226]

10% of the snaps last week, healthy scratch this week, you want to believe Andy is Load Managing him but he hasn't been overly used and abused either. 

Carlos Hyde was in their camp to start the season, he might have been their best RB and they released him. 

[rockaction 14,557]

2 minutes ago, zamboni said:

Is that good or bad?

Size-wise, not good. 

[rockaction 14,557]

1 minute ago, Ministry of Pain said:

10% of the snaps last week, healthy scratch this week, you want to believe Andy is Load Managing him but he hasn't been overly used and abused either. 

Carlos Hyde was in their camp to start the season, he might have been their best RB and they released him. 

If this is load management, I'd like to see what throwing someone off of a building looks like. 

[TheWinz 1,085]

First healthy scratch of Shady's career?

[Polish Hammer 440]

The FBGs subscriber email said that wanting to get Darwin work was one of the factors in the healthy scratch. People grabbing him or Darrel?

[DocHolliday 2,646]

I dropped McCoy this week.  Not sure what that says about me if I manage my RBs similar to Reid.   

[zamboni 3,445]

19 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Size-wise, not good. 

Maybe, but he’s a strong little mofo. There are some Twitter videos of him squatting 500+ lbs.

[Yotes1 42]

Now reports are that this was a pre-determined rest week to keep him fresh for the stretch run.  If so, major knee-jerk over reaction from owner in one league who dropped Shady for Darrel.

[rockaction 14,557]

3 minutes ago, zamboni said:

Maybe, but he’s a strong little mofo. There are some Twitter videos of him squatting 500+ lbs.

I've heard that and about his blocking. I'm not sneezing at an NFL guy being an extraordinary physical entity. He just looks smaller than the other extraordinary physical entities trying to stop him. 

[Iceman03 302]

I remember people vehemently refusing to believe he was done after Buffalo... Father Time never loses.

[rockaction 14,557]

Just now, Yotes1 said:

Now reports are that this was a pre-determined rest week to keep him fresh for the stretch run.  If so, major knee-jerk over reaction from owner in one league who dropped Shady for Darrel.

I did that. Whoops. I'm not really concerned, though as he was my last RB off the bench.

Have Jacobs, J. White, K. Hunt, and J. Mixon in .5 PPR. If Shady wins the job, that's one thing, but I need to actually make the playoffs and he sure seemed like he was getting no carries after the Packer fumble. 

[Payne 324]

2 minutes ago, Iceman03 said:

I remember people vehemently refusing to believe he was done after Buffalo... Father Time never loses.

For the most part, he still looked like their best RB. I think the fumbles did him in.

[rockaction 14,557]

Just now, Payne said:

For the most part, he still looked like their best RB. I think the fumbles did him in.

His YPC was like 5.5. It's either pre-determined rest, pass pro, or fumbles. We won't know until it all shakes out, which will be too late for fantasy regular seasons and their playoff schedule is tough. 

[oddsbodkins 517]

Dropped him for Guice in 10 man redraft.

[Yotes1 42]

My uneducated eye test says the Shady hasn't succumbed to father time just yet.

[Iceman03 302]

Teams don’t rest players for games. They never sacrifice an opportunity to win with only 16 games to jockey for playoff position. I’d buy the fumbles but in any case he’s deactivated bc right now they think Williams and Thompson are better.

Edited November 10 by Iceman03

[Iceman03 302]

1 minute ago, Yotes1 said:

My uneducated eye test says the Shady hasn't succumbed to father time just yet.

Well the Bills and now Chiefs essentially disagree.

[SkippaDaFlippa 26]

Extremely concerned. Troubled even

[Grigs Allmoon 838]

4 minutes ago, Yotes1 said:

My uneducated eye test says the Shady hasn't succumbed to father time just yet.

He's currently 5th among RBs in YPC, so yeah, this is definitely not a 'father time' thing.

[SoBeDad 1,212]

16 minutes ago, Iceman03 said:

Teams don’t rest players for games. They never sacrifice an opportunity to win with only 16 games to jockey for playoff position. I’d buy the fumbles but in any case he’s deactivated bc right now they think Williams and Thompson are better.

Darrel had a key fumble, in a game they won, and he didn't get benched. He made up for, but there must be other reasons. Maybe it's cause the Williams provide better blocking blocking for the franchise.

[The Frankman 2,001]

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Adam Teicher had more on LeSean McCoy today: "LeSean McCoy being inactive is due to three factors: His fumbling problem, Damien Williams is healthy and playing better and the Chiefs' desire to get Darwin Thompson into the playing rotation."

huhn... the third issue I think is the key one.

Edited November 10 by The Frankman

[ConnSKINS26 4,753]

Love when an old thread title becomes relevant again without needing an edit.

[kittenmittens 1,028]

Broadcast called it a predetermined rest day. 

[DocHolliday 2,646]

2 hours ago, kittenmittens said:

Broadcast called it a predetermined rest day. 

I'm over the McCoy game.  I never felt comfortable starting him.  So far my decision to drop him for Ron Jones is working out this week.  

[SaintsInDome2006 41,394]

Ok, I'm concerned.

[Don Hutson 453]

20 hours ago, SoBeDad said:

Darrel had a key fumble, in a game they won, and he didn't get benched. He made up for, but there must be other reasons. Maybe it's cause the Williams provide better blocking blocking for the franchise.

It's probably not a coincidence that LeSean got benched the same game Mahomes came back.  With Mahomes knee at risk of reinjury, blocking is more important than normal.  Last year PFF gave McCoy a pass blocking grade of 51.3.  Damien Williams received a pass blocking grade of 78.4.  Darrel Williams received a pass blocking grade of 78.0.

[davearm 744]

19 hours ago, kittenmittens said:

Broadcast called it a predetermined rest day. 

All the Chiefs get a predetermined rest day week 12.  And it'd probably be a first in the NFL.  Not buying that explanation one bit.

[Grigs Allmoon 838]

On 11/10/2019 at 12:41 PM, Grigs Allmoon said:

He's currently 5th among RBs in YPC, so yeah, this is definitely not a 'father time' thing.

He climbed up to 4th after week 10.

[ratbast 138]

On 11/11/2019 at 9:12 AM, Don Hutson said:

It's probably not a coincidence that LeSean got benched the same game Mahomes came back.  With Mahomes knee at risk of reinjury, blocking is more important than normal.  Last year PFF gave McCoy a pass blocking grade of 51.3.  Damien Williams received a pass blocking grade of 78.4.  Darrel Williams received a pass blocking grade of 78.0.

That’s good stuff right there. 

[barackdhouse 904]

Any sense of what happens Monday night? I'm in a bit of a jam this week if Montgomery doesn't play Sunday night. I have McCoy and I picked up Darwin Thompson last night, so I would have to choose between those two if Monty sits. Or if by miracle Breida suits up I could roll the dice with him but that would be a little nutty, too. Anything of note from practice reports this week?

[Biabreakable 4,255]

3 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

Any sense of what happens Monday night? I'm in a bit of a jam this week if Montgomery doesn't play Sunday night. I have McCoy and I picked up Darwin Thompson last night, so I would have to choose between those two if Monty sits. Or if by miracle Breida suits up I could roll the dice with him but that would be a little nutty, too. Anything of note from practice reports this week?

I haven't heard anything.

We didnt hear anything prior to the last game either. Shady was a healthy scratch.

So I'm not expecting him to play.

[Encumbrance 130]

Damien Williams (personal) 'should' travel with the team, per Rotoworld. 

Should. 

[Faust 3,674]

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LeSean McCoy is active for Week 11 against the Chargers Monday night.

McCoy was an interesting healthy scratch last week against the Titans after seeing his playing time dip considerably the last few weeks, but he's back in uniform in Mexico City. He still needs to be left out of fantasy lineups until he starts pushing Damien and Darrel Williams for snaps again.

Nov 18, 2019, 6:54 PM ET

 

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[IHEARTFF 475]

[Stinkin Ref 1,006]

Shady with almost another DEVASTATING fumble .....lucky it bounces right back to him....

####### guy should not see the field again.....sorry....if you are not gonna change your game to be better and help your team....take a seat...

 

[Faust 3,674]

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LeSean McCoy rushed seven times for 29 yards and one touchdown in the Chiefs' Week 11 win over the Chargers Monday night, adding four catches for 28 yards on six targets.

After being a healthy scratch last week, McCoy was outplaying Damien Williams before Damien left the game in the second quarter with a ribs injury. McCoy scored the lone touchdown of the first half on a six-yard run. But Darrel Williams actually led the backfield with 12 touches, seeing all the work late in the fourth quarter after McCoy left to be evaluated for a concussion. This backfield remains a weekly headache with three backs always vying for snaps. McCoy looked refreshed, however, after the week off and now gets the bye to clear the concussion ahead of a Week 13 date with the Raiders.

Nov 19, 2019, 12:01 AM ET

 

 

[Stinkin Ref 1,006]

his possible  game losing/changing fumble inside the 10 ( that luckily bounced right back to him) will be lost in the wash.... but at some point the Chiefs need to say enough is enough....still a loaf of bread....i'll take freakin Darrell Williams twice on Sunday when ball security is important.....Shady doesn't give a #### about ball security......its obvious he will not change his game....when every possession means something down the stretch, not sure how Reid can still be playing this guy no matter what history you have with him....

[davearm 744]

With regard to punishing/benching a guy for fumbling, I'd be fascinated to know how many coaches...

* impose less discipline if his own team recovers, and more discipline if the other team recovers;

* view all fumbles as equally bad regardless of who recovers.

Seems like the latter is the more sensible perspective.  If I'm Reid and I see McCoy juggling the ball down there near the endzone, he's done for the day right there, even though he was able to get it back himself.  It's a bullet dodged, but the bullet was discharged nonetheless.

[Encumbrance 130]

I can't remember a backfield in my decade or so of this hobby that's been less settled this late in the year. 

Usually, you just chalk it up to an RBBC and move on, but this feels different.  

I also usually like to chime in with an "all you need is friendship..." vibe about fantasy football to its adherents. Seems to take the edge off of things. 

This situation? This situation has nothing to do with friendship. Next time someone tells you about the genius of KC and Mahomes, remind them about how they squinted real hard and found diamonds in the coal that is Sammy Watkins.  

They have no more of a clue than you do.  

Edited November 19 by Encumbrance

[Encumbrance 130]

I mean, Sammy Watkins? Even Judy from Vertigo was game for a minute as a cheap imitation of herself. 

Keerist.  

[kyoun1e 627]

Damien Williams not practicing.

Picked up McCoy off waivers last night and he's sitting in my last (8th) RB slot. Figured what the hell...can't be that bad to have a piece of the KC offense (unless you're counting on it).

Williams still not practicing after the bye. Interesting. And they signed another RB. Could this be a multi week injury?

Have McCoy. Darrell Williams sitting in FA too. Would be great if the stars align here just in time for the playoffs.

[VikingFrog 601]

13 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

Damien Williams not practicing.

Picked up McCoy off waivers last night and he's sitting in my last (8th) RB slot. Figured what the hell...can't be that bad to have a piece of the KC offense (unless you're counting on it).

Williams still not practicing after the bye. Interesting. And they signed another RB. Could this be a multi week injury?

Have McCoy. Darrell Williams sitting in FA too. Would be great if the stars align here just in time for the playoffs.

Tough though because it feels like a scenario where whatever choice you make, the opposite will happen.

Wouldnt be surprised to see McGuire get a bunch of carries because “why the hell not”

[barackdhouse 904]

If Damien Williams sits then I think that only brings clarity. McCoy or Darrell Williams would both be flex worthy starts. Reid will probably split the workload so they'd each have a decent floor with TD upside. 10-17 pts each. Good not great and probably doesn't lose you anything. 

[Kwai Chang Caine 965]

6 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

If Damien Williams sits then I think that only brings clarity. McCoy or Darrell Williams would both be flex worthy starts. Reid will probably split the workload so they'd each have a decent floor with TD upside. 10-17 pts each. Good not great and probably doesn't lose you anything. 

It’s the time of year where you have to c@ck block when necessary. I grabbed McCoy. Darrel is still out there too (smaller league) but don’t have that much room.

[Team Smokin' 204]

9 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

If Damien Williams sits then I think that only brings clarity. McCoy or Darrell Williams would both be flex worthy starts. Reid will probably split the workload so they'd each have a decent floor with TD upside. 10-17 pts each. Good not great and probably doesn't lose you anything. 

I see a huge disparity in McCoy rankings with BLOOM having him ranked fairly high, and DODDS & TREMBLAY ranked very low.

Seems like it's a wait n' see who Reid names the starter and what exactly is the status of D Williams.

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four 400]

16 minutes ago, Team Smokin' said:

I see a huge disparity in McCoy rankings with BLOOM having him ranked fairly high, and DODDS & TREMBLAY ranked very low.

Seems like it's a wait n' see who Reid names the starter and what exactly is the status of D Williams.

D. Williams is playing but we don't know how big of a role he'll have. D. Williams remains a question mark if he'll be active or not.

[Scut Farkus 20]

10 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

If Damien Williams sits then I think that only brings clarity. McCoy or Darrell Williams would both be flex worthy starts. Reid will probably split the workload so they'd each have a decent floor with TD upside. 10-17 pts each. Good not great and probably doesn't lose you anything. 

i feel like darrel has the higher true upside, but mccoy has the higher median outcome.

reid loves shady, even though darrel has more burst at this point.  mccoy still does have the shiftiness, and i would expect him to get more red zone work.

[wormburner 331]

46 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

D. Williams is playing but we don't know how big of a role he'll have. D. Williams remains a question mark if he'll be active or not.

I wish you had cleared up KC’s backfield for me in Week 1!

😉