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WR Amari Cooper, CLE (5 Viewers)

SCT said:
Based on what?
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Lol upside probably. Some people still think he is a top tier WR, feel like if he was he woulda been doing more for Oakland, everyone has there fans and Cooper fans are some of the more outrageous where past performance doesn’t matter that much and yes he did have a good rookie year but that’s abt it

 
steelers1080 said:
I think Amari is really talented and has been poorly utilized the last couple years, but I don't think that going from 1 QB that's afraid to give WRs a shot, to another, is going to increase his production. Now it'll just be Dak that doesn't throw to him, instead of Carr. Really wish he went to the Browns or Colts instead. 
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Pretty much how I see it. I felt he'd get traded,  out of the teams  that reportedly showed interest the two teams I least wanted to see him go was Washington and Dallas.

ETA- I don't view Dallas a high volume spot for a WR1 but I just hope he can at least be more consistent and not disappear for weeks.

 
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Salty dudes with no Cooper on the squad... try to contain yourselves... This Man does have a 200 yard game under his belt when he's on his game... This is going to be so fun to watch.... Dak wont be weak like Carr... Carr is scared 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
How is it rebuilding to trade away a 24 year old potentially elite WR & a 27 year old generational talent at DL?

i have no idea what Gruden is doing with the Raiders. 

Which, coincidentally, seems like the same thing Gruden knows he’s doing with the Raiders. 
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I have a conspiracy theory that involves coaches purposely trying to get fired so they can collect their guaranteed money while on TV. Gruden is starting the process way earlier than everyone else I have studied lol

 
The kid is super talented. He has been ultra inconsistent though except for a pretty consistent issue with dropped balls. Under Del Rio's regime, they really made an effort to work him into the games- almost to a fault. It always seemed to me that they had to put too much effort in the gameplan to make him the #1 than him being or taking the #1 WR. Maybe he flourishes in a new system. On past accomplishments, I am happy with a 1st, which looks to be a solid mid rounder if not better, to ship him off. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
How is it rebuilding to trade away a 24 year old potentially elite WR & a 27 year old generational talent at DL?
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Instead of paying mack 20m a year, picking up the 5th year option on cooper and owning their own first, they'll get bosa and the bears first and the cowboys first plus two more firsts next year and have an extra 20m or so in cap. They'll have 5 first round talents AND cap space.  

 
Amari should be a good pickup for the Cowboys, though I'm surprised that they were willing to part with a first round pick.   But they corrected the mistake they made in the draft of not taking the guy in their own backyard (Courtland Sutton).   

Cooper is still a great route-runner, but just drives you nuts with the dropsies.   That needs to be corrected.   

 
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I like seeing real teams make more trades, kinda gives us validation.  Cooper isn’t worth a first, but whatever.  Maybe he’ll be worth starting in a few weeks, as he’s just wasting away on everyone’s bench (including mine).

 
dcgangstas said:
Amari should be a good pickup for the Cowboys, though I'm surprised that they were willing to part with a first round pick.   But they corrected the mistake they made in the draft of not taking the guy in their own backyard (Courtland Sutton).   

Cooper is still a great route-runner, but just drives you nuts with the dropsies.   That needs to be corrected.   
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They didn't make a mistake passing on Sutton - Vander Esch has been a monster. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
This deal feels like Trent Richardson to Indy for me. He’s tranding all the wrong ways and you don’t deal a 24 year old potential #1 WR unless you know something. 
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They didn't plan on resigning him and recouped their first round investment. Same philosophy Saints & Pats had with Cooks. Rent and break even. Thats smart economics. 

 
tombonneau said:
They didn't plan on resigning him and recouped their first round investment. Same philosophy Saints & Pats had with Cooks. Rent and break even. Thats smart economics. 
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You’re only taking that approach if you’re close and believe the guy you’re getting is a difference maker and can get you similar value after. I don’t think any of us believe any of those things about Cooper or Dallas 

This is long term for Dallas

 
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bostonfred said:
Instead of paying mack 20m a year, picking up the 5th year option on cooper and owning their own first, they'll get bosa and the bears first and the cowboys first plus two more firsts next year and have an extra 20m or so in cap. They'll have 5 first round talents AND cap space.  
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Assuming they draft talent. 

My guess is secretly, despite saying alllllll the right things, Gruden thinks Carr is the bust. 

And he’ll use one of the picks to get a franchise QB to build around. 

And why waste a 24 yr old receiver & 27 yr old DL during a complete rebuild around a new QB?

thats my theory anyway.  :shrug:

 
Concept Coop said:
I actually like both trades for Oakland, but how can anyone blame them for this move? Cooper isn't worth a 1st round pick. 
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The only way I’d find fault with it is if they think Carr is the future at QB. 

In which case you’re not helping the dude develop by taking away his top weapon at WR.  Young QB/WR duos who develop together can come out stronger for it. 

This trade is a solid deal for Oakland, assuming Carr isn’t part of their future plans. 

Thats where it could be criticized - if they decided Carr is the future, they’ve shot themselves in the foot a bit. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
You’re only taking that approach if you’re close and believe the guy you’re getting is a difference maker and can get you similar value after. I don’t think any of us believe any of those things about Cooper or Dallas 

This is long term for Dallas
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I meant it as a rebuttal to Oakland might "know something" about AC to be selling. Could be as simple as they got four years of value out of him and now are selling for same cost they bought at. 

 
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Stick a fork in him for redraft, this is a huge downgrade. Say what you will about Oakland but they were a top 10 team in passing yards and attempts. Dallas is 29th in both... And its not because they were missing a #1 WR....

 
creepythinman said:
How Oakland managed to shoplift a 1st rounder for a guy averaging 3.5 rec/48 yards per game the past 2 seasons on a terrible team that's thrown a bunch is beyond me.
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This.  Cooper may be good and as a Raider fan, I hope that he is.  I always liked the kid and felt as though he did his job.  He had some drops issues but his lack of production this year is due to lack of targets.  Carr and Gruden have not done him any favorites. 

For those of us that own Cooper, I think this is a downgrade.  Cooper is probably a WR3 at best with a lot of 5 - 60 stat lines.  The Cowboys are a run first team.  

 
DocHolliday said:
This.  Cooper may be good and as a Raider fan, I hope that he is.  I always liked the kid and felt as though he did his job.  He had some drops issues but his lack of production this year is due to lack of targets.  Carr and Gruden have not done him any favorites. 

For those of us that own Cooper, I think this is a downgrade.  Cooper is probably a WR3 at best with a lot of 5 - 60 stat lines.  The Cowboys are a run first team.  
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That would be an upgrade

 
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mcd said:
That would be an upgrade
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Let me rephrase.  I don't see any potential for Cooper to have a 10 catch or 100 yard game again this season.  At least that has happened in the past with the Raiders and was always a possibility.  The Raiders play from behind and now they don't even have Lynch to run the ball.  The Raiders are going to throw the ball a lot the rest of the season.  The Cowboys will not.  

 
Gruden neutralized Carr, so moving from Carr to Dak is not bad. He will at least throw his way. Hope he succeeds because I got him in redraft and it's always good to see Gruden look like the clown he really is.

 
Not sure how people can view this as a downgrade. He's had two good games this year. In PPR, the point totals of his other games were: 1, 3, 2, 0. Is he going to start putting up negative totals now? I don't think he's suddenly going to morph into Hopkins or Thielen, but I think his numbers will improve. They're going to try to feed him the ball as much as Gruden pretended the Raiders would do. And if a 28-29 year-old Dez could put up approximately 800 yards in back to back seasons with Dak at QB, I don't see why Cooper doesn't see an upgrade in productivity.

 
How sweet would one of these landings spots have been?:

Michael Silver‏Verified account @MikeSilver 1h1 hour ago

I’m told the Eagles offered a second-round pick to the Raiders for Amari Cooper last week. Raiders held out for a 1. Got it today from Philly’s NFC East rival. Colts also had interest. @AroundTheNFL @nflnetwork

 
Otis said:
I’ll call it now. A bunch of hundred yard games going forward.  Get him in your lineups. 
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Whoa....well respected poster there.....you've got my attention...so just first round Alabama pedigree who's been wasted?  These other guys are wrong?

 
Bayhawks said:
Uh, 24?
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Honestly I don’t get the relevance.

Is he saying  that because Tom Brady, arguably the greatest quarterback of all time, (along with the patriots offense)  managed to score points against the Bears defense that somehow Kahlil Mack   is not a generational talent at DL?

:unsure:

 Somehow the calculus escapes me here. 

 Perhaps we should point out the concept of a team sport, or maybe point to the stats that Kahlil Mack has put up to date as a Chicago bear?  That might seem a bit more an apples to apples comparison. 

 
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