Dinsy Ejotuz
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I'm not so sure. Hillman turnstyled some rushers today.
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Ronnie Hillman, Denver 1/3 STARTING RB (3 Viewers)
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tdhartis
Footballguy
I watched every snap of the game and I was simply pointing out that Hillman lost touches at the end. He didn't look great with the carries he received, but I'm not standing on a ledge or anything. I think he'll be fine going forward, just thought it was worth discussing/pointing out. However, that being said, Top 10 is a bit optimistic IMO.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Then why wasn't Hillman the lead back to start the season? Why did the staff go with Ball? What's changed about Hillman since the start of the season? The only difference is Ball isn't around. Sometimes a coaching staff can be myopic and/or stubborn. Are you so sure that they won't go to Ball again to some extent? Blown pass protection is a MORTAL SIN when it comes to watching Peyton's back.
Mistakes can totally change a coaching staff's loyalties, especially if they're not completely on board with someone, which they might not be with Hillman judging by the fact he didn't start the season as lead back. Look at Cleveland; Crowell looked great and a couple fumbles later can't sniff the field. Tate looked great and now barely totes the ball. No one's saying Hillman will be totally backburnered for Ball but to say with certainty that Ball is now totally irrelevant is probably a Hillman owner's closing their eyes to the complete picture.
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Skoo
Footballguy
What's changed?
I don't know the stats, but I'd imagine Ronnie Hillman has been a Top 5 fantasy RB since he got the start. Of course the coaches don't think about fantasy, but they sure look at stats and Hillman is absolutely destroying Ball's output.
I imagine Ball will have some kind of role but the coaches aren't stupid, they see what everyone else sees.
Signed,
Someone who thought Ball was worth a 1st round pick this year
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just_want_2_win
Footballguy
RL coaches don't give a hoot about fantasy football. I didn't say Hillman just got himself benched. I am saying that the door might have cracked a bit more for the RB that opened the season as the starter to come back to some sort of role in the backfield.
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None_More_Black
Footballguy
I disagree on his carries, he actually always seemed to find a small crease even if there was nothing there. If you have watched Ball, he probably would have had even worse rushing stats. His two touchdowns were were strong plays, not walkins. If he missed a lot blocks that is a big issue, but he a had nice game. Not sure how strong the Bronco's run blocking is with Manning throwing 50 times a game.
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Skoo
Footballguy
Wreckincrew
Footballguy
From Mark Wimer Yesterday:
RB Ronnie Hillman - DEN - Hillman suffered an ankle injury during the game on Sunday, and eventually went on to miss the fourth quarter during the game. It is unclear if he tweaked the ankle again or if he was pulled because the game got out of hand for the Broncos on Sunday night. Hillman will be evaluated further on Monday.
Any updates? Then no news is good news!
RB Ronnie Hillman - DEN - Hillman suffered an ankle injury during the game on Sunday, and eventually went on to miss the fourth quarter during the game. It is unclear if he tweaked the ankle again or if he was pulled because the game got out of hand for the Broncos on Sunday night. Hillman will be evaluated further on Monday.
Any updates? Then no news is good news!
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just_want_2_win
Footballguy
The good news for now is Ball isn't due back this week apparently and Thompson hasn't flashed anything to make it look like he'd eat into Hillman's reps as long as Hillman's health isn't an issue.Wreckincrew said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
CJ anderson got some garbage time draws plays vs NE
But yeah no Thompson vs NE at all was puzzling
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Do you think CJ passed up Thompson or was this just due to the game being out of reach?
tdhartis
Footballguy
If I had to guess it's probably a function of how the game was going rather than a permanent move up the pecking order.
Perhaps CJ, compared to Thompson, is the better blocker and receiver out of the backfield and coaches knew they would be passing nearly every down in garbage time. Also, IIRC Thompson has typically been used at the goal line and for running between the tackles, particularly when the Broncos are ahead and trying to eat clock. Seems to indicate that's where they see his skillset fitting in best and the situation didn't call for him.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Great, now we'll have a full blown 3way timeshare RBBC which will be a complete guessing game, sweet
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Hillman's time has come and gone.
Banger
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
There is no point in anyone arguing Hillman, Ball, or CJ... It is a huge waste of time - this will be an awful guessing game that few will accurately guess on a week to week basis.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Heard all this before...Ball, Anderson, Hillman, Thompson. Next week it'll just be a new flavor of the week, don't get too excited
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Yup. Those in this thread last week who said Hillman's last game, which was poor, would cost him dearly were right. You can't run poorly and you can't blow coverage. Now this situation is a mess.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Agreed. And I feel that the door is wide open now for Montee Ball to recapture his feature back role. We've heard the practice praise this week... my guess is he starts next week.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
It doesn't matter who starts. After Hillman played great, one mediocre game and he is an afterthought. I feel like this will be their formula and my hope is it bites them in the ###.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Thompson isn't 100% heathy. He's had a knee injury the past month or so. I noticed they started giving CJ some snaps after the injury. Thompson is an outstanding blocker/receiver & a very underrated runner. I believe if Thompson wasn't dinged he'd be getting the touches. It might be a game situation type thing, but I believe it's the knee issue. I could see them staying with CJ for now as long as he stays hot, though.
I used to be fairly high on CJ, but while he flashes, I'm leery of him ever being good enough to be a starting RB. Longterm, out of all their current RBs, I like Thompson the best. Thompson is one of the top deep stashes in FF, IMO. I think he'll surprise if he gets a chance. Being a rookie & with the knee, he might have to wait until next season to get a serious look.
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
My money is still on Juwan Thompson.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Well Anderson just hobbled out, better grab Thompson
Kuz
Footballguy
Broncos will do what they have done now for years.. Manning just throws TD's all day during the season & wonder why lose in the playoffs..
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Don't forget about Kapri Bibbs guys, I hear he's a keeper.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
While it'll be damn near impossible to trust Hillman next week, I'd think it's a reasonable assumption that Hillman's ankle/foot injury played a role in his usage, as did the fact that he seemed to aggravate it early on.
Doesn't change the fact that Anderson did well with his touches, but Hillman still brings an explosiveness to the offense that no one else does.
It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Doesn't change the fact that Anderson did well with his touches, but Hillman still brings an explosiveness to the offense that no one else does.
It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Well it'd be a lot better if Peyton would've completed that one to Hillman for the TD. They're leaving Anderson in there even after he got dinged earlier while the the starters are out, so who knows
It was hilarious that Hillman got off the ground making hand gestures to show up Manning. The ball was delivered at Hillman's feet and he got up like sarcastically reaching towards his feet like "How am I supposed to catch that""
football fan
Footballguy
Dealt Hillman and a LB, when I was offered Davante Adams and Frank Gore.
Didn't want to deal with the Denver RB headaches, and I have a ton of RB depth without Hillman.
Maybe the other guy will get the best part of this deal, but Gore is helping me in the short run, and I am excited about Adam's future.
If Adams develops like people think he might, he could be a handful.
Hillman is just another piece in the Denver RB puzzle (that's their system). Hillman need the right situation to produce.
Can't people realize that?
Didn't want to deal with the Denver RB headaches, and I have a ton of RB depth without Hillman.
Maybe the other guy will get the best part of this deal, but Gore is helping me in the short run, and I am excited about Adam's future.
If Adams develops like people think he might, he could be a handful.
Hillman is just another piece in the Denver RB puzzle (that's their system). Hillman need the right situation to produce.
Can't people realize that?
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Following Sunday's win at Oakland, Ronnie Hillman was spotted limping in the locker room due to his sprained ankle.
The Broncos officially reported no injuries after the game. But something is definitely up with Hillman, who dinged his ankle against the Pats in Week 9 and was working with trainers behind the bench in the second quarter Sunday. He eventually took a seat for the day as a "precaution", netting a meager two second-half carries. Even if Hillman turns out to be OK, his grip on feature back duties has loosened greatly over the last two weeks. He was atrocious in pass protection at New England and OC Adam Gase openly complained about run-game effectiveness. Against Oakland, Hillman got outplayed by C.J. Anderson and Montee Ball (groin) is due back Week 11. We'd still expect Hillman to start against the Rams, but his leash will be short.
The Broncos officially reported no injuries after the game. But something is definitely up with Hillman, who dinged his ankle against the Pats in Week 9 and was working with trainers behind the bench in the second quarter Sunday. He eventually took a seat for the day as a "precaution", netting a meager two second-half carries. Even if Hillman turns out to be OK, his grip on feature back duties has loosened greatly over the last two weeks. He was atrocious in pass protection at New England and OC Adam Gase openly complained about run-game effectiveness. Against Oakland, Hillman got outplayed by C.J. Anderson and Montee Ball (groin) is due back Week 11. We'd still expect Hillman to start against the Rams, but his leash will be short.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Saw PFT report on twitter that Hillman is out for two weeks.
That seems like a big deal.
That seems like a big deal.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It is a huge deal. Just as Ball is returning and CJ had a breakout game. I think Hillman is done in terms of fantasy value.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Oh well that was fun. I'm convinced if healthy he would have had a great game against Oakland too.
Chaka
Footballguy
Are you kidding? Only the Mighty CJ Anderson could have had such a stellar performance against the stout and stalwart Oakland Raiders defense.
ONLY CJ!!!
shadyridr
Footballguy
he got hurt numbnutsTold you guys a month ago (game against the NYJ) he didn't look special - and drew a bunch of criticism for it. And here we are and we all see he's not special.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Told you guys a month ago (game against the NYJ) he didn't look special - and drew a bunch of criticism for it. And here we are and we all see he's not special.
Keep telling yourself that's the only reason. You can start him again in 3 weeks.he got hurt numbnutsTold you guys a month ago (game against the NYJ) he didn't look special - and drew a bunch of criticism for it. And here we are and we all see he's not special.
Neofight
Footballguy
Should there be a comma here, or are his nuts the problem? :ballcancer:he got hurt numbnutsTold you guys a month ago (game against the NYJ) he didn't look special - and drew a bunch of criticism for it. And here we are and we all see he's not special.
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