That’s hilarious- the NFL doesn’t want to bother with this. Yeah because the NFL has not wanted to bother with things having to do with the Patriots. Some of you will just type whatever fits the narrative you want to see.
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rick6668
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wgoldsph
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Both comments were obviously flippant. I never claimed to know anything about Ray Lewis killing a guy let alone everything. My point (and Dr Dan's, which he clearly stated and was not added in your quote) was that the level of scrutiny nfl players and organizations are put under is vastly different now then it once was.Godsbrother said:
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Not really. You made a statement about NFL not wanting to get involved with this which is contradictory to all previous incidents involving the Patriots.
The Duff Man
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If I put on my tinfoil hat, there is a legit reason they WOULD try to cheat and film the Bengals.
Bill: “ Lets try to get away with this against Cincy. If we get caught we have deniability. If we don’t, we will use this going forward against our playoff opponents”
Bill: “ Lets try to get away with this against Cincy. If we get caught we have deniability. If we don’t, we will use this going forward against our playoff opponents”
brun
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FWIW - Chances are you won't see 8 straight minutes. If they recorded the whole game it would probably only yield a couple minutes at most of usable footage.I've watched a lot of regular television broadcasts of NFL Football and I don't recall any that spent 8 plus straight minutes focused on the coaches giving out signals.
But I'm sure looking forward the episode of "Do Your Job" where it's included.
Dr. Octopus
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Hopefully there’s something because I can’t think of anything more entertaining in a documentary series about Bill Belichick than footage of Bengals Coaches “Doing Their Job”.
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Doug B
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Question:
The advance scout himself ... wouldn't one of his duties be to keep an eye on the Bengals' sideline to look for any number of things? Hand signals, substitution patterns, other things that might help, etc.?
If "yes" ... than the video taken was likely intended to be a way for the advance scout to later go through the Bengals sideline goings-on a second and third time, and to be able to pause, fast forward, etc. That makes intuitive sense, even if nothing could ever be proven.
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The "TV production is separate from football" line is risible. The contractor taking the video need not know the purpose of the footage. Just so long as people upstream know, any such footage can readily be shunted to whoever it's intended for.
The advance scout himself ... wouldn't one of his duties be to keep an eye on the Bengals' sideline to look for any number of things? Hand signals, substitution patterns, other things that might help, etc.?
If "yes" ... than the video taken was likely intended to be a way for the advance scout to later go through the Bengals sideline goings-on a second and third time, and to be able to pause, fast forward, etc. That makes intuitive sense, even if nothing could ever be proven.
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The "TV production is separate from football" line is risible. The contractor taking the video need not know the purpose of the footage. Just so long as people upstream know, any such footage can readily be shunted to whoever it's intended for.
Dr. Octopus
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I learned two things today, one being a new vocabulary word and the other is that the same Pat fans are always willing to go through mental gymnastics to absolve their team of any wrong doing time and time again.
James Daulton
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Surely just an unfortunate misunderstanding.
The Pats would never deliberately try to gain an advantage. Nope, not the Pats.
Just a weird coincidence.
The Pats would never deliberately try to gain an advantage. Nope, not the Pats.
Just a weird coincidence.
Shawnky
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Like losing 3 of their last 5. The other two being sub .500 teams where they won by 7 and 4. Yeah, nothing to see here.
Interseptopus
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James Daulton
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GoBirds
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Anyone surprised by the Patriots cheating hasn’t been paying attention. If someone told this story and asked you to guess which team did it would there be anyone that didn’t guess Patriots right away?
Ditkaless Wonders
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It seemed pretty clear cut to me. I suppose I would like to see the full 8 minutes but that played exactly as persons busted red handed.Bucky86 said:
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Love that chowderhead accent from the cheating video guy. Lived up there many years, don't miss that accent at all.
Ditkaless Wonders
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I ask again, is my memory flawed or did Kraft promise he would fire Belichek after the last one if it ever happened again?
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Close game today.
Good thing we had all that sideline footage; definitely came in handy.
What's that you say? Teams call in plays through helmets now and sideline footage is a complete non sequitor?
Nonsense! Everyone knows the Patriots cheat. Put a scarlet letter C on Belicheat's head and be done with it. Why is this team allowed to dominate for two decades? It's just not fair.
Good thing we had all that sideline footage; definitely came in handy.
What's that you say? Teams call in plays through helmets now and sideline footage is a complete non sequitor?
Nonsense! Everyone knows the Patriots cheat. Put a scarlet letter C on Belicheat's head and be done with it. Why is this team allowed to dominate for two decades? It's just not fair.
The Big Donkey
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TLEF316
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BassNBrew
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The Duff Man
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Luckily they got caught the first time, so they couldn’t pull this crap in the playoffs.
Its who you are. If you're cheater, you're a loser before and after anything gets played.
Ministry of Pain
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Unreal they would continue to do this in the face of the NFL after the Mangini/Jets revealed they do it, after deflategate, after the owner got caught in an illegal prostitution/potential human trafficking charges, one might think they would try to keep their nose clean...I'm not sure what Goodell can actually do but the NFL version of The Death Penalty in the NCAA needs to be well thought out. They should be stripped of an entire Draft for like 3 years, turn them into an expansion team and let them climb their way out of that.Faust said:
Pats fans need to sit this one out and realize they aren't the problem here and as painful as it is to see this unfold again, you can't be angry at NFL fans from other teams being outraged or even try to act like this is common in the NFL. That video was shocking to watch and props to Cinci and the NFL for releasing it, let the public make their minds up.
Disgusting, just disgusting. I don't care if it gives them a .00000000001% advantage, it's outlawed in the NFL and the other 31 teams seem to get the message.
I actually do the sponsorship-business for some pro stock cars in California. And I get a little peeved at the teams that dont push the rules. True story.
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BassNBrew
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Interesting how some sports cheating is considering no huge deal and part of the tradition of the game while it's a no-no in others.I actually do the sponsorship-business for some pro stock cars in California. And I get a little peeved at the teams that dont push the rules. True story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo_u4pMAlx0 HOFer
BassNBrew
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If you read the story above and the evidence backs it up (meaning they have footage following the scout the entire week), I think "accident cheating" applies. Especially if press credentials weren't obtained at any other NFL stadiums previously or obtained for future games.
Dr. Octopus
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Terry Bradshaw, Jimmy Johnson
Strahan on the other hand was one of the few that obviously thinks they are cheaters
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
WordSmiths coming out of the woods in every direction to play semantics.
The NFL and Cinci Security knew what they saw, he is employed by the Patriots and I don't care if BB and Kraft deny knowledge, they work for the Patriots and they cheated again, it's cut and dry, good job by Jay Glazer to push that video onto the air for everyone to watch.
It doesn't matter if the "Clerk" is an intimate friend of the "Coach" or has lunch or dinner with him, none of that matters. I bet BB doesn't know this turkey very well but somebody under him that is in charge of this DOES KNOW and he was put there by BILL BELICHICK to "Do a Job", couldn't be a better title for a bogus film crew.
The NFL and Cinci Security knew what they saw, he is employed by the Patriots and I don't care if BB and Kraft deny knowledge, they work for the Patriots and they cheated again, it's cut and dry, good job by Jay Glazer to push that video onto the air for everyone to watch.
It doesn't matter if the "Clerk" is an intimate friend of the "Coach" or has lunch or dinner with him, none of that matters. I bet BB doesn't know this turkey very well but somebody under him that is in charge of this DOES KNOW and he was put there by BILL BELICHICK to "Do a Job", couldn't be a better title for a bogus film crew.
Godsbrother
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Cheaters cheat, it doesn't matter if they get caught, they're going to keep doing it because it is who they are. The NFL should come down hard but they won't
Dr. Octopus
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The best part of the video is where the film crew member is basically trying to get Bengal's security to allow him to delete the footage as if it's a favor to the Bengals to do so and it's not deleting evidence.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
That is an awful lot of B roll. Also, if they were righteous their reaction would have been much different. Not denying and offering to delete and can't we forget the whole thing. No, the righteous would have been, "we are authorized to be here, talk to ( whoever authorized presence), he will tell you. Yeah we will burn you a copy but this is ours, we were approved, and we need it for our production and we have a schedule, now go get (Person who authorized)."
This does not pass the smell test.
Ditkaless Wonders
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If I was calling the game yesterday I would have commented on Stephon Gilmore jumping routes and getting INT's. "Why its almost as if he knows their signals, like he was in their huddle!"
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Dr. Octopus
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In the grand scheme of things this is really no big deal - but the Patriots continue to try a push the limits in every way possible and that is a big deal. I really don't knw what the penalty should be nor do I really care but I do love watching Pat fans try time and time again to show us all "there's nothing to see here" instead of just admitting that their team cheats and they don't care.
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