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They sure are trying to sweep this one under the rug.

So because they cannot find a connection to BB, nothing bad was happening?  Is it possible that the Patriots were good in covering their tracks?  Based on the past, there is no way I give them the benefit of the doubt.

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5 hours ago, Chaz McNulty said:

They sure are trying to sweep this one under the rug.

So because they cannot find a connection to BB, nothing bad was happening?  Is it possible that the Patriots were good in covering their tracks?  Based on the past, there is no way I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Lets just presume guilt; its more expeditious after all.

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9 hours ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

Lets just presume guilt; its more expeditious after all.

Trust is given, distrust is earned. The Patriots earned the distrust people have in them regarding cheating.

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11 hours ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

Lets just presume guilt; its more expeditious after all.

After you've been caught cheating multiple times -- including the exact same kind of cheating that appears to have taken place here -- you lose the benefit of the doubt.

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1 hour ago, IvanKaramazov said:

After you've been caught cheating multiple times -- including the exact same kind of cheating that appears to have taken place here -- you lose the benefit of the doubt.

Roger told all the teams to stop filming on the sideline, Bill said whatever, and paid a fine for his belief that the new rule wouldn't be enforced.

Deflategate was a joke; owners admitted it was "payback" for thinking Pats got off easy.

Spygate 2.0 is even more of a joke.  Zero connection between the media arm and football operations.

But none of this matters to the asterisk community.  Carry on.

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1 minute ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

Roger told all the teams to stop filming on the sideline, Bill said whatever, and paid a fine for his belief that the new rule wouldn't be enforced.

Deflategate was a joke; owners admitted it was "payback" for thinking Pats got off easy.

Spygate 2.0 is even more of a joke.  Zero connection between the media arm and football operations.

But none of this matters to the asterisk community.  Carry on.

Spygate was absolutely legit cheating.   

Defalategate and Spygrate 2.0 may or may not be jokes, I am not sure.  What is odd is the Patriots are the team being charged in all three.

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Where there is smoke there is fire.  Maybe the NFL can schedule a Patriot game in Australia.

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2 hours ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

Roger told all the teams to stop filming on the sideline, Bill said whatever, and paid a fine for his belief that the new rule wouldn't be enforced.

Deflategate was a joke; owners admitted it was "payback" for thinking Pats got off easy.

Spygate 2.0 is even more of a joke.  Zero connection between the media arm and football operations.

But none of this matters to the asterisk community.  Carry on.

I don't think you realize the advantage for 5 or 6 years that the Pats gained from Spygate 1.  The fact that the NFL had to destroy the large treasure trove of evidence (post handing out the fine and penalty), to legitimize a superbowl champ only added fuel to the fact that they got off so easy the first time around.  Deflategate was definitely payback.

I believe that the NFL wants Spygate 2.0 to be considered a joke, and it may be, but there's also a good chance that they were cheating again.

It's unfortunate that excons can't catch a break!

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16 minutes ago, Chaz McNulty said:

I don't think you realize the advantage for 5 or 6 years that the Pats gained from Spygate 1.  The fact that the NFL had to destroy the large treasure trove of evidence (post handing out the fine and penalty), to legitimize a superbowl champ only added fuel to the fact that they got off so easy the first time around.  Deflategate was definitely payback.

I believe that the NFL wants Spygate 2.0 to be considered a joke, and it may be, but there's also a good chance that they were cheating again.

It's unfortunate that excons can't catch a break!

Lost in the destroying of the tape is similar to what happened with Spygate 2.0. When stuff got released this time, people screamed bloody murder . . . not knowing what was actually gained by seeing guys on the sideline. It has been said that NE had access to the same stuff they taped through other (better) sources . . . yet to the general public it looked like they could have gotten some big advantage. Like pretty much every other team, CIN uses headsets and receivers in helmets to convey information. So sure, there was 8 minutes of footage of players standing on the sideline. 

In Spygate 1.0, if footage had gotten out, there would have been just as much outrage. It had been reported back in the day that some of the footage NE had showed camera people from other teams also on the field doing the same thing NE was. If fans of other teams are mad about the first Spygate, they should be mad that NE better utilized what they taped than their own team did. The main concern over Spygate was that the league did not want teams taping from the playing field. 

The Pats then later matched up what they could to better scheme and plan. Did they get an advantage? Sure . . . but they could have had access to the same information and signals like anyone else. Like BB said. All this stuff was done in front of 80,000 people.

Other teams taped stuff BEFORE and other teams have taped things AFTER Spygate. The Jets got caught doing so TWICE against just NE after Spygate. But no one cared, nothing happened, and it got buried in the remote sections of papers and websites. It got swept under the rug and the Jets weren't penalized. 

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43 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Lost in the destroying of the tape is similar to what happened with Spygate 2.0. When stuff got released this time, people screamed bloody murder . . . not knowing what was actually gained by seeing guys on the sideline. It has been said that NE had access to the same stuff they taped through other (better) sources . . . yet to the general public it looked like they could have gotten some big advantage. Like pretty much every other team, CIN uses headsets and receivers in helmets to convey information. So sure, there was 8 minutes of footage of players standing on the sideline. 

In Spygate 1.0, if footage had gotten out, there would have been just as much outrage. It had been reported back in the day that some of the footage NE had showed camera people from other teams also on the field doing the same thing NE was. If fans of other teams are mad about the first Spygate, they should be mad that NE better utilized what they taped than their own team did. The main concern over Spygate was that the league did not want teams taping from the playing field. 

The Pats then later matched up what they could to better scheme and plan. Did they get an advantage? Sure . . . but they could have had access to the same information and signals like anyone else. Like BB said. All this stuff was done in front of 80,000 people.

Other teams taped stuff BEFORE and other teams have taped things AFTER Spygate. The Jets got caught doing so TWICE against just NE after Spygate. But no one cared, nothing happened, and it got buried in the remote sections of papers and websites. It got swept under the rug and the Jets weren't penalized. 

Is this what you are referring to with the Jets taping?  https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

Really?  They asked for permission(received it) and then got told to stop.  It's almost like the Patriots were trying to muddy the water with this.

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4 hours ago, Chaz McNulty said:

I don't think you realize the advantage for 5 or 6 years that the Pats gained from Spygate 1.  The fact that the NFL had to destroy the large treasure trove of evidence (post handing out the fine and penalty), to legitimize a superbowl champ only added fuel to the fact that they got off so easy the first time around.  Deflategate was definitely payback.

I believe that the NFL wants Spygate 2.0 to be considered a joke, and it may be, but there's also a good chance that they were cheating again.

It's unfortunate that excons can't catch a break!

But you realize the advantage?  For the record, even Mangini didn't think they got much benefit. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mangini-admits-he-regrets-starting-spygate-opens-up-on-relationship-with-belichick/

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I hope it's quick and swift.  Get it over already whatever it is.  The Pats are on the downswing and I have enough time in my future to rejoice of their demise. 

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4 hours ago, DropKick said:

But you realize the advantage?  For the record, even Mangini didn't think they got much benefit. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mangini-admits-he-regrets-starting-spygate-opens-up-on-relationship-with-belichick/

Hmmm.  They did this for 6 years before being caught.  Do you think if the benefit was minimal they would have wasted resources on this.  They were garnering an advantage by studying opponents signals. 

I believe coaching in the NFL plays a larger role than with coaching in any of the major sports.  An inferior team can easily beat a better team if they call the right plays at the right time.  Usually its an intelligent guess as to what to call.  The Patriots were taking the guesswork out of it.

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13 hours ago, DropKick said:

But you realize the advantage?  For the record, even Mangini didn't think they got much benefit. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mangini-admits-he-regrets-starting-spygate-opens-up-on-relationship-with-belichick/

I wouldn't put too much stock into anything he says anymore*.  I've seen him on the Whitlock show on FS1 and he is basically a Patriots apologist now.  I guess he figures defending them to the death and constantly referring to them as "Tom" and "Bill" will eventually make them forgive him (which maybe they have, who knows?). 

*This is to be taken at face value, and not meant to convey my opinion on the original Spygate or this latest min-scandal (which I don't think I have commented on in this thread yet). 

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10 hours ago, Chaz McNulty said:

Hmmm.  They did this for 6 years before being caught.  Do you think if the benefit was minimal they would have wasted resources on this.  They were garnering an advantage by studying opponents signals. 

I believe coaching in the NFL plays a larger role than with coaching in any of the major sports.  An inferior team can easily beat a better team if they call the right plays at the right time.  Usually its an intelligent guess as to what to call.  The Patriots were taking the guesswork out of it.

And how do you know half the league didn't do something similar?

ETA:  An excerpt from the Spygate Wiki page... Not to pardon Belichick but there are too many "holier than thou" attitudes.

After footage from the actual tape was aired on Fox NFL Sunday on September 16, former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson claimed, "This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn't think it helped us." Johnson also said, "Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don't know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That's why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn't make [Belichick] right, but a lot of teams are doing this."

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9 hours ago, Chaz McNulty said:

Hmmm.  They did this for 6 years before being caught.  Do you think if the benefit was minimal they would have wasted resources on this.  They were garnering an advantage by studying opponents signals. 

I believe coaching in the NFL plays a larger role than with coaching in any of the major sports.  An inferior team can easily beat a better team if they call the right plays at the right time.  Usually its an intelligent guess as to what to call.  The Patriots were taking the guesswork out of it.

FWIW - The memo directing teams not to record from that location came out in 2006.

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10 hours ago, Chaz McNulty said:

Hmmm.  They did this for 6 years before being caught.  Do you think if the benefit was minimal they would have wasted resources on this.  They were garnering an advantage by studying opponents signals. 

I believe coaching in the NFL plays a larger role than with coaching in any of the major sports.  An inferior team can easily beat a better team if they call the right plays at the right time.  Usually its an intelligent guess as to what to call.  The Patriots were taking the guesswork out of it.

Your position is classical historical revisionism.

Prior to Goodell issuing the memorandum which explicitely prohibited sideline filming, it was common knowledge that this was a means of gathering competitive intelligence that was practiced by multiple teams.  One of the points made during this period was, I believe by Bill Parcells, that such information gathering is why a majority of teams changed their play calling signals on a regular basis and it was therefore shocking that certain stubborn teams would not change their signals, thus creating a potential competitive advantage that the Patriots and other teams would gleefully exploit (hence the commissioner's memorandum, which was sent to 32 teams not to 1 team).  

Why do you think there was famous footage of Herm Edwards looking directly into the Patriots camera?  The answer is because it was common knowledge that this was happening.

Steve Marriuci tells the story of Lions staff picking through the garbage of visiting coaching staff looking for playbook and playcalling information.

It is ridiculous on its face to single out the Patriots as one evil entity contrasted by 31 other teams with pristine records of never attempting to obtain competitive advantage.

Belichick's real error here in incorrectly reading the tea leaves and failing to anticipate that the league had made up its mind that enforcement of the new guidance would be swift and harsh.  

There are basically two reasons why Belichick has been vilified, those being unprecedented success and presenting a non-sympathetic character.  People don't like the man because he sent a married woman shoe boxes full of cash and he quit the Jets job when it became apparent that he was being installed as a puppet.  Unfortunately, some people are just fundamentally dishonest, and rather than saying "you know what, I just don't like the guy" they say "he's a cheater and the only reason they've ever done anything is because of cheating and they get an asterisk and blah blah blah".  It's horse hockey.

Cue the response of "we'll never know because the league destroyed the tapes".  Whatever dude.  We know what we know, Belichick got made an example of, and the tempest in a teapot becomes the foundation for fragile rhetoric from whiners who don't like the man.  So much so that thinly veiled counter-attacks from jealous owners ("deflategate", "spygate 2.0") become added to the "foundation" of the "cheater" label.  It's pitiful.  To be the man, you have to beat the man.

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6 minutes ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

Your position is classical historical revisionism.

Prior to Goodell issuing the memorandum which explicitely prohibited sideline filming, it was common knowledge that this was a means of gathering competitive intelligence that was practiced by multiple teams.  One of the points made during this period was, I believe by Bill Parcells, that such information gathering is why a majority of teams changed their play calling signals on a regular basis and it was therefore shocking that certain stubborn teams would not change their signals, thus creating a potential competitive advantage that the Patriots and other teams would gleefully exploit (hence the commissioner's memorandum, which was sent to 32 teams not to 1 team).  

Why do you think there was famous footage of Herm Edwards looking directly into the Patriots camera?  The answer is because it was common knowledge that this was happening.

Steve Marriuci tells the story of Lions staff picking through the garbage of visiting coaching staff looking for playbook and playcalling information.

It is ridiculous on its face to single out the Patriots as one evil entity contrasted by 31 other teams with pristine records of never attempting to obtain competitive advantage.

Belichick's real error here in incorrectly reading the tea leaves and failing to anticipate that the league had made up its mind that enforcement of the new guidance would be swift and harsh.  

There are basically two reasons why Belichick has been vilified, those being unprecedented success and presenting a non-sympathetic character.  People don't like the man because he sent a married woman shoe boxes full of cash and he quit the Jets job when it became apparent that he was being installed as a puppet.  Unfortunately, some people are just fundamentally dishonest, and rather than saying "you know what, I just don't like the guy" they say "he's a cheater and the only reason they've ever done anything is because of cheating and they get an asterisk and blah blah blah".  It's horse hockey.

Cue the response of "we'll never know because the league destroyed the tapes".  Whatever dude.  We know what we know, Belichick got made an example of, and the tempest in a teapot becomes the foundation for fragile rhetoric from whiners who don't like the man.  So much so that thinly veiled counter-attacks from jealous owners ("deflategate", "spygate 2.0") become added to the "foundation" of the "cheater" label.  It's pitiful.  To be the man, you have to beat the man.

You've been playing the everybody does it card for years.  Either the Patriots are very bad at it because they get caught, or they are the one's doing it.

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4 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

To be a man you must act with honor.

This is so true, in every facet of life. 

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On 1/4/2020 at 11:57 AM, SeniorVBDStudent said:

Your position is classical historical revisionism.

Prior to Goodell issuing the memorandum which explicitely prohibited sideline filming, it was common knowledge that this was a means of gathering competitive intelligence that was practiced by multiple teams.  One of the points made during this period was, I believe by Bill Parcells, that such information gathering is why a majority of teams changed their play calling signals on a regular basis and it was therefore shocking that certain stubborn teams would not change their signals, thus creating a potential competitive advantage that the Patriots and other teams would gleefully exploit (hence the commissioner's memorandum, which was sent to 32 teams not to 1 team).  

Why do you think there was famous footage of Herm Edwards looking directly into the Patriots camera?  The answer is because it was common knowledge that this was happening.

Steve Marriuci tells the story of Lions staff picking through the garbage of visiting coaching staff looking for playbook and playcalling information.

It is ridiculous on its face to single out the Patriots as one evil entity contrasted by 31 other teams with pristine records of never attempting to obtain competitive advantage.

Belichick's real error here in incorrectly reading the tea leaves and failing to anticipate that the league had made up its mind that enforcement of the new guidance would be swift and harsh.  

There are basically two reasons why Belichick has been vilified, those being unprecedented success and presenting a non-sympathetic character.  People don't like the man because he sent a married woman shoe boxes full of cash and he quit the Jets job when it became apparent that he was being installed as a puppet.  Unfortunately, some people are just fundamentally dishonest, and rather than saying "you know what, I just don't like the guy" they say "he's a cheater and the only reason they've ever done anything is because of cheating and they get an asterisk and blah blah blah".  It's horse hockey.

Cue the response of "we'll never know because the league destroyed the tapes".  Whatever dude.  We know what we know, Belichick got made an example of, and the tempest in a teapot becomes the foundation for fragile rhetoric from whiners who don't like the man.  So much so that thinly veiled counter-attacks from jealous owners ("deflategate", "spygate 2.0") become added to the "foundation" of the "cheater" label.  It's pitiful.  To be the man, you have to beat the man.

I respect him as a genius coach and GM, but don't like him because of him cheating.  

As to the bolded I had no idea about the shoe boxes sent to a married woman nor his dating life. That didn't take part in my decision at all.

Also, I couldn't care less that he quit the Jets job, my decision to not like him stems only from multiple cheating allegations.  

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On 1/3/2020 at 4:33 PM, Anarchy99 said:

So sure, there was 8 minutes of footage of players standing on the sideline. 

Steve Young said he was extremely disappointed to see the Pats pulling this again because he has so much respect for them and that anyone that says there’s no probative value to watching that tape doesn’t know football.

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46 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

I respect him as a genius coach and GM, but don't like him because of him cheating.  

As to the bolded I had no idea about the shoe boxes sent to a married woman nor his dating life. That didn't take part in my decision at all.

Also, I could care less that he quit the Jets job, my decision to not like him stems only from multiple cheating allegations.  

Ditto and ditto, the cheating is really why I dislike him and the Patriots.

Just imagine if their amazing accomplishments hadn't been tainted. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Steve Young said he was extremely disappointed to see the Pats pulling this again because he has so much respect for them and that anyone that says there’s no probative value to watching that tape doesn’t know football.

And plenty of other former coaches said it was worthless. 

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Just now, Anarchy99 said:

And plenty of other former coaches said it was worthless. 

Sure

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On 1/4/2020 at 11:57 AM, SeniorVBDStudent said:

Your position is classical historical revisionism.

Prior to Goodell issuing the memorandum which explicitely prohibited sideline filming, it was common knowledge that this was a means of gathering competitive intelligence that was practiced by multiple teams.  One of the points made during this period was, I believe by Bill Parcells, that such information gathering is why a majority of teams changed their play calling signals on a regular basis and it was therefore shocking that certain stubborn teams would not change their signals, thus creating a potential competitive advantage that the Patriots and other teams would gleefully exploit (hence the commissioner's memorandum, which was sent to 32 teams not to 1 team).  

Why do you think there was famous footage of Herm Edwards looking directly into the Patriots camera?  The answer is because it was common knowledge that this was happening.

Steve Marriuci tells the story of Lions staff picking through the garbage of visiting coaching staff looking for playbook and playcalling information.

It is ridiculous on its face to single out the Patriots as one evil entity contrasted by 31 other teams with pristine records of never attempting to obtain competitive advantage.

Belichick's real error here in incorrectly reading the tea leaves and failing to anticipate that the league had made up its mind that enforcement of the new guidance would be swift and harsh.  

There are basically two reasons why Belichick has been vilified, those being unprecedented success and presenting a non-sympathetic character.  People don't like the man because he sent a married woman shoe boxes full of cash and he quit the Jets job when it became apparent that he was being installed as a puppet.  Unfortunately, some people are just fundamentally dishonest, and rather than saying "you know what, I just don't like the guy" they say "he's a cheater and the only reason they've ever done anything is because of cheating and they get an asterisk and blah blah blah".  It's horse hockey.

Cue the response of "we'll never know because the league destroyed the tapes".  Whatever dude.  We know what we know, Belichick got made an example of, and the tempest in a teapot becomes the foundation for fragile rhetoric from whiners who don't like the man.  So much so that thinly veiled counter-attacks from jealous owners ("deflategate", "spygate 2.0") become added to the "foundation" of the "cheater" label.  It's pitiful.  To be the man, you have to beat the man.

Why did the league destroy the tapes?

If it was so prevalent, why didnt anyone else get caught?

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Huge Pats hater here ...

Im OK with sweeping it under the rug if the entire set of Bengals footage is released.  Release the whole damn thing and lets be done with it.

If the footage isnt released, like with the first Spygate, I stand by my statement that Ernie Adams should be banned from any football a la MLB Pete Rose.

PS - for those who dont know the history of BB and Ernie - here is a link:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Adams_(American_football)

PSS - Next, get this book and read it:  https://www.amazon.com/Belichick-Football-Scouting-Methods-Paperback/dp/B004WJ6GLW  When you get the book, tell me what the entire first chapter is about.  Specifically, according to Steve Belichick, what will be revolutionizing the game football?  Again, why did Ernie Adams and Bill Belichick become friends?

PSSS - Oh yea, I almost forgot - check out this Kraft Sports Productions job listing: https://www.facebook.com/KraftGroupJobs/posts/kraft-sports-productions-is-hiring-an-event-presentation-supervisor-this-person-/1710304695668464/ See anything funny in the job listing?  Maybe this line:  "Specifically the pair would be responsible for all in-game entertainment, performances, video, music and the emotional journey of the event attendees, all while trying to obtain any advantage possible for our teams."

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18 hours ago, JAA said:

PSSS - Oh yea, I almost forgot - check out this Kraft Sports Productions job listing: https://www.facebook.com/KraftGroupJobs/posts/kraft-sports-productions-is-hiring-an-event-presentation-supervisor-this-person-/1710304695668464/ See anything funny in the job listing?  Maybe this line:  "Specifically the pair would be responsible for all in-game entertainment, performances, video, music and the emotional journey of the event attendees, all while trying to obtain any advantage possible for our teams."

What? The bolded is malarkey -- Kraft Sports Productions is wholly separate from the football operations. Wholly separate.

...

If Robert Kraft owns a shashlik bodega in Usbekistan, and the dude working that bodega does nothing but grill and sell meat all day half a planet away ... that bodega dude is still affiliated with the Patriots. I exaggerate but little.

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On 1/11/2020 at 11:14 AM, Doug B said:

What? The bolded is malarkey -- Kraft Sports Productions is wholly separate from the football operations. Wholly separate.

...

If Robert Kraft owns a shashlik bodega in Usbekistan, and the dude working that bodega does nothing but grill and sell meat all day half a planet away ... that bodega dude is still affiliated with the Patriots. I exaggerate but little.

Im still surprised the listing is up there.  Pretty incriminating IMHO

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I think they should be required to forfeit all they playoff wins this season.

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8 hours ago, JAA said:

Im still surprised the listing is up there.  Pretty incriminating IMHO

I hope this is schtick.

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It looks like the NFL could learn a thing or two from the MLB in how to deal with cheaters.  If you want the guilty party to stop, you need to hand down a just punishment.

I applaud the MLB.

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10 minutes ago, Chaz McNulty said:

It looks like the NFL could learn a thing or two from the MLB in how to deal with cheaters.  If you want the guilty party to stop, you need to hand down a just punishment.

I applaud the MLB.

:lmao: the MLB embarrassed themselves with such a light penalty

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6 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

:lmao: the MLB embarrassed themselves with such a light penalty

If the MLB's penalty was light, would would you call the NFL's penalty for Spygate?

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10 hours ago, Chaz McNulty said:

If the MLB's penalty was light, would would you call the NFL's penalty for Spygate?

The Astros cheated during the World Series.  :mellow:

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1 hour ago, tjnc09 said:

The Astros cheated during the World Series.  :mellow:

And you think the Patriots shut down their spygate operation during any of the Superbowls?

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1 hour ago, tjnc09 said:

The Astros cheated during the World Series.  :mellow:

Did they?  I'm not disputing it, but I've been trying to figure out just how often and when the sign stealing and trashcan relaying actually happened.  All I can find in articles is that it was used in the 2017 season.  I couldn't find details about how often they were doing it (every pitch?  just important ones?) or when.

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18 hours ago, Chaz McNulty said:

If the MLB's penalty was light, would would you call the NFL's penalty for Spygate?

The Patriots have a record of cheating for 20 years and the NFL continues to slap their hand. 
 

If they want to fix the problem they need to suspend BB, then maybe the Pats will get the message 

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22 hours ago, DropKick said:

I hope this is schtick.

Unpack this for me

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20 hours ago, tjnc09 said:

The Astros cheated during the World Series.  :mellow:

The Eagles in 2005 always suspected something was up in the second half of the SB. Pats players just instinctively seemed to know when the defense would be blitzing.

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/eagles/patriots-cheat-spygate-eagles-super-bowl-steve-spagnuolo-20180129.html

Yeah, it was instinct...they're cheaters, plain and simple. Change their name to the NE Asterisks and move on.

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5 hours ago, JamieMurphy said:

The Eagles in 2005 always suspected something was up in the second half of the SB. Pats players just instinctively seemed to know when the defense would be blitzing.

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/eagles/patriots-cheat-spygate-eagles-super-bowl-steve-spagnuolo-20180129.html

Yeah, it was instinct...they're cheaters, plain and simple. Change their name to the NE Asterisks and move on.

Good article

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13 hours ago, JamieMurphy said:

The Eagles in 2005 always suspected something was up in the second half of the SB. Pats players just instinctively seemed to know when the defense would be blitzing.

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/eagles/patriots-cheat-spygate-eagles-super-bowl-steve-spagnuolo-20180129.html

Yeah, it was instinct...they're cheaters, plain and simple. Change their name to the NE Asterisks and move on.

Hahahaaaaa......

"We believe that Tom [Brady] knew when we were pressuring him because he certainly got the ball out pretty quick."

Well there u go, with rock solid Marty Hurney type iron clad evidence like that.....Bawwwhaaaw

Whiney tools..........

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8 hours ago, JAA said:

Good article

Why? Because it supports your view?

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On 1/14/2020 at 6:51 PM, Godsbrother said:

The Patriots have a record of cheating for 20 years and the NFL continues to slap their hand. 
 

If they want to fix the problem they need to suspend BB, then maybe the Pats will get the message 

BB should totally of been suspended, I mean Payton got a whole season off...….

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10 hours ago, NE_REVIVAL said:

Hahahaaaaa......

"We believe that Tom [Brady] knew when we were pressuring him because he certainly got the ball out pretty quick."

Well there u go, with rock solid Marty Hurney type iron clad evidence like that.....Bawwwhaaaw

Whiney tools..........

Why do NE apologists and defenders ignore the evidence that they have been caught cheating time and time again?

Name calling won't change that fact.

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