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WR Kevin White, NO (1 Viewer)
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voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Okay but does it matter at all whether someone calls a player elite or transcendent? Really don't think it's worth wasting time on it and cluttering up 2 pages of White's board.
spider321
Footballguy
Fair point. Sorry.
I just think that the participation trophy generation throws around major accolades a little too easily these days.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Back on the topic of White, he's got enough juice in the tank to be a very nice fantasy asset. I could see him being Jordy+ .
cmv5
Footballguy
I don't see the comparison at all. Beckham was a great route runner. That helped him early on. To me, for White to have early success he would need to be able to have the trust of his qb.
For some reason, more than any wr I can remember in a while, this guy is getting a free pass to elite status. Jordy+? That's a tall order. Jordy is again a guy who is in the right place. While his ceiling may be higher than guys like Cooper, getting to that ceiling could be quite elusive.
I agree, people are failing to look at all the flaws in his game. It's moreso "he's tall and ran fast at the combine....I want him!" White doesn't play up to his size, loses contested receptions, isn't physical, and isn't a good route runner.
cstu
Footballguy
Beckham talk is ridiculous. I don't mind Jordy references - he could get there but he's not going to set the league on fire right away.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
NFL Draft: Fantasy reaction for Kevin White
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/fantasy-football-today/25169512/nfl-draft-fantasy-reaction-for-kevin-white
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/fantasy-football-today/25169512/nfl-draft-fantasy-reaction-for-kevin-white
georg013
Footballguy
Way off in my opinion. Wait until preseason action and training camp blurbs. He will knock those notions right out of your head.
beef
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
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flat_earth
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Kevin White Wiki
According to this White was born June 25, 1992 which makes him currently 22 years old. He would be 23 years old near the end of next month if this is correct. His rookie season would start at 23 years old.
According to this White was born June 25, 1992 which makes him currently 22 years old. He would be 23 years old near the end of next month if this is correct. His rookie season would start at 23 years old.
cstu
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
And Wilson still hasn't developed into a starting NFL WR. Age isn't everything, talent matters a lot more.
cstu
Footballguy
White hasn't either and could be getting doubled teamed as the #1 WR next year with no Cutler.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That's possible, but I'd be surprised if he overtakes Jeffery that quickly as the guy defenses are most afraid of. If he does, that's a good sign IMO.
cstu
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
1992 is the correct year.
FOUR people wished him happy 21st birthday in 2013 including his own sister:
https://twitter.com/white10_k/status/349525006398652418
https://twitter.com/jmoore300_/status/349531147807621121
https://twitter.com/tytianajarvis/status/349529995938504705
https://twitter.com/BernG13/status/349529819249262592
One person wished him happy 22nd birthday in 2014:
https://twitter.com/lidihateyou/status/481813433655230465
FOUR people wished him happy 21st birthday in 2013 including his own sister:
https://twitter.com/white10_k/status/349525006398652418
https://twitter.com/jmoore300_/status/349531147807621121
https://twitter.com/tytianajarvis/status/349529995938504705
https://twitter.com/BernG13/status/349529819249262592
One person wished him happy 22nd birthday in 2014:
https://twitter.com/lidihateyou/status/481813433655230465
flat_earth
Footballguy
Nice! Good investigative work there. I have no idea why I even care about this, but here goes...he graduated from highschool in 2010, presumably at 18. Went to one year of community college, but sat out the second year. Then came back in 2012 for another year of CC. Then two years at WV. So yeah, 22, turning 23 makes sense.
cstu
Footballguy
It's not about him being old, it's about his development. He's one of the oldest rookies in the past two drafts (Benjamin, Lee, Martavis, and Paul Richardson are older) and still has work to do on on his game.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
flat_earth
Footballguy
For me it's less about White in particular and more about not trusting Wikipedia for accurate info. Cameron Artis-Payne's Wiki says he is 22. It's pretty widely known he is a very old rookie (25). He graduated highschool in 2008. But all of that is conveniently edited out of his bio, and it only mentions his two years at Auburn.
cstu
Footballguy
5 WR's have had over 70% of their college yards in the final year:
Patterson, Gordon, Devin Thomas, Greg Little, and Kevin White.
Devin Thomas comes the closest in terms of size and final year yards (1260 for Thomas vs 1447 for White).
I'm also concerned that White's numbers were exaggerated by the WVU offense that helped Stedman Bailey put up 114/1622/25.
IMO, White should be a late 1st pick rather than top 4 due to his risk.
Patterson, Gordon, Devin Thomas, Greg Little, and Kevin White.
Devin Thomas comes the closest in terms of size and final year yards (1260 for Thomas vs 1447 for White).
I'm also concerned that White's numbers were exaggerated by the WVU offense that helped Stedman Bailey put up 114/1622/25.
IMO, White should be a late 1st pick rather than top 4 due to his risk.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
None of those other guys were valued as top-10 picks by the NFL. You've listed three 2nds rounders, a late 1st rounder who came out with questionable ball skills, and White, #7 overall.It's not the final word on the subject, but the NFL is pretty good at this draft thing, over time. Its a fairly efficient market.
Pedigree means something. All those guys were raw in one way or another. Only Gordon and White came out with good ball skills and contested catch ability.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
It's official. Called my shot on White back on September 30th.
Used the 1.01 on White today. Feel very good about it.ConnSKINS26 said:
Xue
Footballguy
Drafting a 22-year-old, one-year wonder WR who did not significantly dominate his own team's receiving in the top 10 is not what I call efficient. Not when a somewhat similar player in Breshad Perriman could put up the same production at a cheaper draft slot.
The only takeaway I get from White's draft slot is that he will be given every opportunity to succeed or fail.
Dan Hindery
Moderator
I put a ton of stock into where guys are drafted by their NFL teams. I figure they are better scouts than I am and over the long run I think if you deviate too far from the order guys were drafted in (vs. other guys at their position), you probably come out behind. So I think you have to put him in the top 4 of dynasty rookie rankings based on his going #7 overall. Someone in each league will like him and he'll go that high.
That being said, I don't think he's a guy I will have on any of my teams due to the reasons you listed. I find a lot of that stuff persuasive and especially the fact that I just don't trust any stats put up in the WVU offense. There are a lot of top guys who I think if they got almost constant single coverage out wide against B12 CBs in that system, would put up similar or better numbers.
Luckily, I'm not sitting at 4 in any drafts and if I was, I'd be trying to trade down if he was there when I was on the clock. Maybe that's a copout. I can't really justify drafting Agholor or Parker over him and won't rank them ahead of him either. But I'd prefer to trade down and draft a guy I'm more excited about.
